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Why Does The Orange Curtain Exist? - A Discussion Regarding OC's Trailing of LA

LA doesn't have a Manhattan and to many it sort of looks like a featureless plain in terms of a center. It's not, but that kind of view generates an expectation that Orange County will be just the same as core LA, which you wouldn't expect in Westchester County, New York.

This thread hasn't really discussed demographics. It seems to me that a lot of your pricier restaurant dining is done by affluent 25-40 year olds, many of whom live in central city or inner suburban areas A lot of them are childless.. Of course there are lots of other people who eat out, but they are a key constituency. That group exists in droves in LA, all the more so with the presence of the entertainment industry.

To the extent there's a strong center, these folks have an easier place to congegrate. LA offers Downtown, Santa Monica, to some extent West Hollywood.

Orange County is famously rich, but it tends to be a different kind of rich--older, family-oriented, more settled. They eat out some, but not as much as the LA folks. The stereotype at least is that as people get older they become more interested in the experience than the food, though I'm sure that's not true of chowhounds.

Oct 30, 2013
redrover in Los Angeles Area

Saturday lunch Downtown Culver City

Thanks. My initial concern was that some of the restaurants there wouldn't serve lunch on Saturday, but I guess in that location that's not the case. Tender Greens is a bit of a large chain for this, but Meet in Paris seems possible, or maybe Ford's Filling Station on their brunch menu.

Sep 10, 2013
redrover in Los Angeles Area

Saturday lunch Downtown Culver City

I'm looking for a place to eat lunch on a Saturday in Downtown Culver City--basically the area between the Culver City Expo Line station and the Kirk Douglas Theatre. I won't have a car. Any cuisine is possible, but I wouldn't want to pay much more than $20 for an entree, preferably less. Thanks.

Sep 10, 2013
redrover in Los Angeles Area

NY hound seeks new SF gems

For future transit reference, Champa Garden is on the AC Transit 62 bus, a short ride from 12th st. BART, and Vientiane is a couple of blocks from the High & Allendale stop on line 14, which is a short ride to Fruitvale BART/

May 05, 2013
redrover in San Francisco Bay Area

Breakfast early Sunday morning?

Thanks, hounds. It makes sense that the early morning options would be better on the Peninsula than in San Francisco. The only place that doesn't work is JoAnn's, because it doesn't until 8 on Sundays--the old thread is Saturday which is the same for the other places. I'd really like to do a little better than Pinecrest!

Apr 03, 2013
redrover in San Francisco Bay Area

Breakfast early Sunday morning?

It looks like I'm going to need to drop someone off at SFO at 6:00 on Sunday morning. I was wondering where we might go for breakfast/ brunch afterward. It doesn't seem like anyplace in San Francisco opens before 7:30 on Sunday morning, while we'd want something that opened by 6:30 or 7.

Apr 03, 2013
redrover in San Francisco Bay Area

San Diego Public Market

I visited Milwaukee this summer and visited their newly constructed public market. It's a pleasant enough place, but they made some serious mistakes. With a few exceptions (coffee), they only had one vendor selling each type of food. Presumably the vendors didn't want competition, but that's part of the essence of a place like Reading Terminal in Philadelphia or Pikes Place in Seattle, different vendors selling similar items. They also didn't have anybody selling basic produce, making it pretty much purely a tourist proposition. It was a real disappointment and I hope the folks in San Diego don't make these mistakes.

Aug 24, 2012
redrover in San Diego

How Do MSP restaurants compare to Chicago, Dallas, Miami, San Francisco Rests??

So I'm planning to come through the Minneapolis/St. Paul area for a couple of days this summer on my way back to the San Francisco Bay Area. As a visitor, I'm not looking for the highest of high end dining. One, I can't afford it, two I don't particularly enjoy the atmospherics. I'm looking for the locavore food. I'm looking for the ethnicities which aren't so well represented in the food scene out here--German, Swedish, Northern European generally. We've had some wonderful moderhn Scandinavian food in Portland, maybe we can hunt that up in your area. Maybe we'll go to a Vietnamese restaurant since that's sort of baseline food for us even though we're Anglo (when we went to New Orleans when my daughter was about 5 she was so happy to see Vietnamese food after all those weird crabs and things!). I'm starting to look forward to MSP for food.

May 24, 2012
redrover in Minneapolis-St. Paul

Duke's Coffee Shop on Sunset ... gone ...

Everything passes, but that's sad.

May 03, 2012
redrover in Los Angeles Area

Grand Central Market Late Sunday afternoon

I'm thinking about taking a group of people to Grand Central Market late on Sunday afternoon, maybe around 5. I haven't gone there that late and am wondering if the restaurants and vendors are still open. Are there many people there? I don't want to go if it will feel deserted and almost closed.

Mar 22, 2012
redrover in Los Angeles Area

Grand Lake (Oakland): What to Eat and Where?

A bit of a nitpick, but even though Trueburger is on Grand (and has great burgers), I'd group it more with the Uptown places like Hawker Fare, Pican, Plum etc. It's a lot closer to them.

Feb 26, 2012
redrover in San Francisco Bay Area

Torta de Tamal (tamale sandwich) at Tamales Amy inside Produce Pro in Oakland on San Pablo Av @ 23rd St

No place on site to sit, right?

Feb 26, 2012
redrover in San Francisco Bay Area

German choc cake in Oakland/Berkeley?

Anybody tried Gaumenkitzel's version?

Feb 18, 2012
redrover in San Francisco Bay Area

Please, No More Racist Receipt IDs

So let's see, those folks who think the customers are being too sensitive would be fine handed a receipt that says, oh, "White prick" on it.

Jan 26, 2012
redrover in Features

Around the World in Berkeley

So within a 20 minute walk of most of campus:

Chinese--Great China
French--La Note
New Orleans--Angelyne's
Vietnamese--Anh Hong

One more is needed

Jan 13, 2012
redrover in San Francisco Bay Area

The New York Times says go to Oakland for the food

The New York Times named Oakland one of its' 45 Places to Go in 2012, for the restaurants. Oakland is listing #5:

Jan 07, 2012
redrover in Food Media & News

Thai Town places open today, Christmas?

I'm wondering if restaurants in Thai Town are likely to be open today, Christmas Day?

Dec 25, 2011
redrover in Los Angeles Area

Most Divisive Restaurants?

Great category. I've accepted the Chowhound wisdom on Canter's as a deli, but their bread and rolls are actually quite good. Intelligentsia makes a good cup of coffee, but so drips with attitude (especially in Silver Lake) that I can't stand it. Their original Chicago site is, I guess unsurprisingly, far less pretentious. I thought In 'n Out was OK, but never understood why there were the object of such veneration.

Dec 18, 2011
redrover in Los Angeles Area

Chipwich - is this available in LA???

I usually try to avoid nostalgia on Chowhound, but you guys brought back the summer of 1981 for me. I was working in Lower Manhattan near Wall St. and used to buy Chipwiches all the time. Lord knows how many calories I was eating, if I'd been sensible I would have eaten for lunch instead of after. In my memory they are fabulous!

The It's It is a good ice cream sandwich, made in the Bay Area, but it doesn't have cookie outsides

Dec 13, 2011
redrover in Los Angeles Area

Any reports on month-old Origen in Berkeley?

My wife, teenage daughter and I had a good experience there last night. The two of them shared the tasting menu, made easier by the fact that the server accidentally brought an extra dish! The gnocchi was the standout for them, also the pate. I got the flatiron steak, which was fine, if not exactly huge. Timing was definitely off, there were long intervals between some of the courses. It's definitely a large, ambitious menu with almost a confusing amount of information. The decor is nothing to write home about, it reminded us very much of visits to previous restaurants on the site, like Zax Tavern. We'd go back.

Dec 10, 2011
redrover in San Francisco Bay Area

Where is the center of the LA food universe?

Choosing a neighborhood for reasons besides food? Scandalous!

It's hard to come up with criteria on this one. If you look at Jonathan Gold's 99 (insert snarky remark here), he's got about as many places east of Vine St. as west of Vine. To the east there's Thai Town, Koreatown, Downtown, Little Tokyo, Chinatown, Pasadena, San Gabriel Valley. To the west there's Hollywood, Fairfax, Beverly Hills, Westwood Blvd., Sawtelle, Brentwood, Santa Monica, Venice. Very different kinds of food in the two directions, but maybe relatively even.

If you located around Hollywood & Vine, you'd have good transit access with the Red Line subway station and a bunch of bus lines converging. From a driving standpoint you'd probably want to be a little further south.

Little Tokyo Restaurant
150 E Bonita Ave, San Dimas, CA 91773

Vine St
1235 Vine St, Los Angeles, CA 90038

Nov 23, 2011
redrover in Los Angeles Area

Golds 99 essential restaurants 2011 up

http://www.thedeliciouslife.com/jonat... That's a spreadsheet workup The Delicious Life did on Gold's 99. It shows that 28 restaurants are new to the list this year, only 5 of which had previously appeared. It also shows that only 22 places have been on the list since the beginning in 2005. Chowhounds love to disagree with critics (what is this list for), fair enough, but that rate of change says to me that Gold's list is not ossified old places. You might not agree with all the choices, that makes sense, but he's not just recycling the past.

Nov 13, 2011
redrover in Los Angeles Area

No Dim Sum West Of The 405?

Hong Kong is considered "eastern" because it's east of Europe via the most direct route. But the most direct route from California to Hong Kong goes west. Thus there is a restaurant in the San Francisco Bay Area known as Hong Kong East Ocean.

Nov 13, 2011
redrover in Los Angeles Area

Pasadena is weak!

Would the new Dog Haus beer garden be the place to look for craft beer in Pasadena, or are there other places?

Dog Haus
105 N Hill Ave, Pasadena, CA 91106

Nov 08, 2011
redrover in Los Angeles Area

Current dense restaurant clusters in Palo Alto and Mountain View downtowns

I really like going to Downtown Mountain View because I can see a lot of potential places to eat without a huge amount of driving around.

Now, not to be competitive or anything, but the Downtown Berkeley Association's list of eating places of all kinds lists 143 places. I think the list is mostly valid, though the website with Giovanni's is a small chain in central Florida.

Nov 06, 2011
redrover in San Francisco Bay Area

Seating favoritism at La Note, Berkeley

I encountered some highly irritating seating favoritism at La Note on Saturday. I arrived with my teenage daughter at around 1:00, and there was a line, as you'd expect. I signed in, the hostess wrote my name down along with everyone else. We both waited there the whole time.

We waited a surprisingly long time given the number of people in the restaurant (declining). Then we started noticing that parties the same size as ours (two people), sitting in the same place (inside) were being seated before us. I looked on the list, and sure enough names below ours were crossed out. After this happened at least three times, I spoke to the hostess, who hurriedly apologized and seated us. The food was good, the service was fine, but it was hard to enjoy after that (no "comps" were requested or offered).

I found this to be pretty inexplicable and very annoying. I was really surprised to see it at La Note (which we'd been going to for years), not at some white hot trendy place--not that it's acceptable anywhere. I don't know what was going on, but I couldn't help noticing that I was older than almost everybody there, while my daughter was younger.

I sent an e-mail to La Note about this right away but they have not responded.

I like La Note but there are plenty of breakfast/brunch places in Berkeley and the East Bay.

Sep 26, 2011
redrover in San Francisco Bay Area

Anyplace to eat in Redding?

My family and I ate at Giff's on a roadtrip. The burgers were decent. But we had the distinct that we'd better not say anything that, say, Rush Limbaugh, would take exception to. It was a very uncomfortable experience--just want people to know.

Aug 12, 2011
redrover in California


PiQ Cafe in Downtown Berkeley has good ones.

91 Shattuck Square, Berkeley, CA 94704

Aug 11, 2011
redrover in San Francisco Bay Area

Where to stay in Oakland close to good restaurant and bar choices

If you're choosing purely on food, I'd agree with Robert--the Mariott, the Courtyard, the Clarion, or the (historic) Washington Inn in Downtown Oakland would be the best choices. You could always get on BART and go to Berkeley.

But as a place to stay outside San Francisco, Berkeley has a generally livelier environment at night--there's the Shattuck Plaza, the Downtown Berkeley Inn, Joie de Vivre's Durant in the UC Campus area and some others.

Aug 11, 2011
redrover in San Francisco Bay Area

Bakesale Betty's (Uptown) WTF?

Bakesale Betty Uptown (or Downtown) at Broadway & Grand has reopened, just from 11-2, Tuesday-Friday.

Bakesale Betty
2228 Broadway, Oakland, CA 94612

Aug 11, 2011
redrover in San Francisco Bay Area