thanks for the tip... i think i'm going to try to end up there on monday. i emailed for a table yesterday but have not heard back yet.
btw is the hong zhou to which you refer the one that also lost its star this year? i assume the quality has deteriorated at the margins in the same way that tim's kitchen has?
thanks a lot, charles. it's funny, this post (and the blog more broadly) was one that i'd read as a part of the planning for the trip. you guys eat well! i'm extremely jealous.
actually, as i go back through it - and the post on tin heung lau - i find that several of the menu items are pretty close to those shown in photos on openrice of what people have eaten at liu yuan pavilion (noodles with hairy crab roe, vegetables with tofu, fried eels, etc). anyway, i have zero problem trying both to see how they compare. but it strikes me that i don't necessarily know all of the ins and outs regarding what separates hangzhou cuisine from shanghainese cuisine. they're obviously reasonably close geographically, and from what i gather based on a little reading on this site they seem to get a bit mixed together.
anyway, beyond a general discussion of which is which - though i am interested in that as well - from a more practical perspective, are there specific dishes to order at a place that specializes in hangzhou cuisine (like tin heung lau) vs a shanghainese restaurant (like liu yuan pavilion)? i get that the smoked yellow croaker seems to be a "don't miss" at tin heung lau, and that xiao lung biao are probably among the things to get at a shanghainese place. but beyond those, i may as well do it right if i'm going to try both...
Thanks to you both!
I suppose I was thinking of Cantonese given that I was in HK, though you're almost certainly correct that I can get better Shanghainese food in HK than where I live or on this trip (and as it happens I don't have any vacations planned to Shanghai coming up, either). An (admittedly quick) look at Liu Yuan Pavilion makes me want to eat there for sure...
It sounds like Tim's Kitchen is the weak link? A followup, then: would you replace Tim's Kitchen with The Chairman and then eat at Liu Yuan Pavilion instead of Tin Heung Lau? Or more straightforwardly just replace TK with Liu Yuan? I suppose I could also drop one of the lunch dim sum places - if there's an obvious one then please say so - though I kind of like the idea of the dim sum lunches...
Hi, my girlfriend and I will be in Hong Kong from the afternoon of December 26th through the morning on December 30th, before moving on. I was hoping to get some comments/feedback/thoughts on the food itinerary I've put together. For reference, we are from NY but live in London, and have travelled frequently to SE Asia. And we eat everything. Cost is not an issue, though I don't need to eat at a stuffy place to feel good about myself (in fact I'm not so into snobbery), and if I can get the same thing for cheaper then great. But I'll pay for great food and unique experiences. It's also worth noting that we're not necessarily looking to do tons of sightseeing on the trip: eating and resting/reading/strolling will do it, so I don't feel any compunction about having multiple lunch choices in the center of town, for example. But if there's something further afield that is unmissable, then super. Anyway, we arrive from London around lunchtime on the 26th:
26th lunch: Yat Lok (I figure we'll just have landed so some comfort food is in order)
26th dinner: Lung King Heen (already reserved)
27th breakfast: Mak's noodle
27th lunch: Fu Sing
27th dinner: Tim's Kitchen (reserved)
28th lunch: Fook Lam Moon (reserved)
28th dinner: Tin Heung Lau
29th lunch: lei garden
29th dinner: Tin Lunh Heen (reserved)
20th breakfast: Tsim Chai Kee
Anyway, a little other color here: we're going to be continuing on this trip to HCMC and then Singapore, so I didn't feel like I absolutely had to go to a pick-your-seafood specific place (I do that a lot in Singapore).
All of it is fungible, though at the least the reservation at Lung King Heen is not changeable since that was the only dinner slot they had while we are in town. It is cancellable, I suppose, if I decide that it's not worthwhile. If there's something I am clearly missing, or if there's something that I ought to change, I'm eager to hear it.
Also, do you think I need to reserve at any of the places I have not reserved yet (specifically Fu Sing, Lei Garden, and Tin Heung Lau)? I took care of most of the dinners and the Sunday lunch, and I kind of figured that the rest would be a little less necessary.
Finally, though I've done some reading on this board and elsewhere about what dishes are great to get at these places, please do pipe in with your opinion. I'd rather hear something I've already read about than miss something entirely and regret it. I don't get to Hong Kong that often.
Thanks in advance for any help!
you what would be great? if london restauranteurs just tried to make things that are authentic, instead of relying on "snappy" phraseology like "bone daddies" ramen. i cite things like the notorious p.i.g. (aka pulled pork sandwich) at anna mae's, and the new york theme-park that is meatliquor. trust me, there is no new york restaurant that is that loud or would put "chicks" and "dicks" on its restroom doors, except for in movies or in london.
i agree with the tenor of this thread that ittenbari is the better of these two ramen places, and that the concept of creating a "london ramen" before london even had authentic ramen is silly. maybe someday ippudo will come here (or, god willing, david chang). hopefully.
PS i am aware that this thread isn't exactly the right place for this rant. sorry.
hi, does anyone know what the differences are between lunch sets and dinner sets at kikunoi? (i'm speaking specifically about kikunoi honten). aside from the fact that lunch sets seem to be cheaper (or at least the starting level is cheaper), it's not clear to me whether lunch is cheaper because it's just smaller or whether you can actually choose similar sets to the dinner that are just a little cheaper because they're during the day.
any advice is appreciated.
hi, i'm looking for some recommendations for a steakhouse in the kyoto area (i.e. osaka, kobe etc are find as well) where i can get high quality wagyu beef shabu shabu. i've only had it like that once before, at kozue in tokyo, and it blew me away. i've since given traditional japanese steakhouses a try (in kobe) and definitely prefer the shabu shabu preparation to the steak being cooked on a teppan. but i really have no idea where to go to have that again, except maybe back to kozue...
any help appreciated!
I'm going to be in Piemonte for a very short trip this weekend (Saturday night through Monday afternoon) to celebrate a birthday. (Now that I live in London it's easier to do these things - much more convenient than when I was in New York!) Anyway, reservations for Sunday and Monday have been easy, but Saturday night most places are totally full and since this was a bit of a last minute trip I don't have a lot of wiggle room.
Both Felicin (Monforte d'Alba) and Le Torre (Castiglione Falletto) have room - does anyone have any views on which of these is more worth a try? The trip is centered around truffles and wine, to be sure, but I'd ideally like to have some creative dishes to avoid having the same tajarin, uovo in cocotte, etc with each meal. (Not that I'm complaining and if it comes down to that then fine, but in that case I'd prefer versions of those that are as good as I can get).
For reference on Sunday I have reservations at Enoclub and Bovio, and Monday afternoon at Ciau del Tournavento. Also, I'm staying in Monforte d'Alba, so all things considered if Felicin and Il Torre are very similar then Felicin is preferable if only because I can walk there and back from my hotel.
Any advice is very much appreciated!
Thanks a lot.
PS I also posted this question on eGullet, so I apologize to all of you who may see it twice.
hi guys, i have a question about this restaurant.
from the very limited things i've seen written about it, it seems great: convivial, good, traditional food, and a bargain. but here is where the "limited" above applies. (and i really don't want this to sound obnoxious). is it really good by comparison to most of the places we live in america/england/etc, where the pasta just plain isn't very good? or is it also very good by comparison to other places in rome? given that i only have a few days, i'm willing to pay more for something better. but all things considered if this food really is particularly good then i'd prefer the type of atmosphere that it appears to offer. but it's hard to tell.
hence the question.
thank you very much in advance for any advice.