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Trip leg - Cleveland to Chicago

They're not as close to the Turnpike. Besides, would you get hot dogs in Toledo if you were about to stop in Chicago? :)

about 6 hours ago
nsxtasy in Chicago Area

Advance Planning -- returning to the City of my Birth

>> anyone know how far out these places will accept reservations?

Of the places you mentioned, the only one where a reservation way in advance is needed is Girl and the Goat, so you've got that covered. Reservations aren't too terribly tough to get at Brindille or Naha; they're a bit more in demand for North Pond, Blackbird, and GT Fish, but still not too bad. If you make your reservations at least 4-6 weeks ahead, you'll probably be able to name your time at all of these, and of course it won't hurt to try making them 8-10 weeks out. Also note that all are on Opentable.com so it's easy to make them whenever you want. Except Purple Pig, which doesn't take reservations at all.

Making reservations WAY in advance isn't really a big thing in Chicago, and is only a concern for fewer than a dozen places (some but not all are among our best); in addition to the ticketing/pay-in-advance places (Alinea, Next, Elizabeth, El Ideas), they include Girl and the Goat, Grace, Gibson's Steakhouse, Topolobampo, and Goosefoot. Other than at those, it's not much of an issue.

>> Anything I should drop off the list, or something I should add?

You've already got some of our best places in mind. The problem, as usual in Chicago, is that there are SO many excellent places around. So you can name ten places, and gonzo can name ten more, and I can name ten more, and all thirty are excellent places worth considering. So I wouldn't say there's anything that you should drop off the list. If I had to give additional suggestions besides the ones you mentioned (and considering the caveats you specify), the top places I would add are Sable, for terrific small plates and craft cocktails; Jam, which gonzo also mentioned, IMHO our best breakfast restaurant (note, they don't take reservations, and you can expect 30-60 minute waits to be seated on weekends between 9:30 and 1:00, not bad all other times); Anteprima, a neighborhood Italian bistro in Andersonville; and Garrett's Popcorn for a snack, with several downtown locations as well as at O'Hare. Two more places worth visiting are agglomerations with lots of options: the French Market (a public market in a downtown commuter train station, with various food stalls), and Eataly (for everything Italian).

Enjoy your visit, and feel free to ask more questions!

about 16 hours ago
nsxtasy in Chicago Area

Milwuakee Dinner

Just to orient you... Marquette is just west of downtown Milwaukee. Downtown has the longtime German stalwarts like Mader's and Karl Ratzsch's, as well as a bunch of steakhouses, while many of the newer interesting restaurants in Milwaukee are clustered in three areas right next to downtown. East Town, which is northeast of downtown, has some of the finest restaurants in Milwaukee, including Sanford and Lake Park Bistro. The Historic Third Ward is just south of that (south of I-794) and is home to the Milwaukee Public Market - perhaps the best place of all to "experience the character of Milwaukee" - as well as interesting places like Hinterland, a combination brewpub and upscale restaurant. Walkers Point is south of downtown (southwest of the third ward) and is home to Crazy Water, with outstanding food in a publike atmosphere, and Braise, which I haven't been to.

Just west of Marquette is the Ambassador Hotel. I love the Sunday brunch at Envoy, the restaurant in the hotel; all the food is prepared to order but it's a fixed price and you can order whatever you want (even though they don't call it "all you can eat", that's basically what it is).

Links:
www.madersrestaurant.com
www.karlratzsch.com
www.sanfordrestaurant.com
www.lakeparkbistro.com
www.historicthirdward.org
www.milwaukeepublicmarket.com
www.hinterlandbeer.com
www.crazywaterrestaurant.com
www.braiselocalfood.com
www.envoymilwaukee.com

Finally, the food writer in the local newspaper does two articles every year that you will find extremely helpful. The first is the "top 30 restaurants in town":

Carol Deptolla's Top 30 restaurants blend the flavors of old and new - www.jsonline.com/entertainment/dining...

And the second is more along the lines of cheap eats, but still distinctive and worth checking out; its recommendations include Blue's Egg (perhaps the best place in town for breakfast - www.bluesegg.com ) and Kopp's (for frozen custard - www.kopps.com ):

Carol Deptolla's 20 Good Eats in Milwaukee - www.jsonline.com/entertainment/dining...

about 17 hours ago
nsxtasy in Great Lakes
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Trip leg - Cleveland to Chicago

Cleveland to Chicago is about 350 miles. If you want to break the trip up, here are three recommendations in the Toledo area, right along the way. All are right near Exit 59 (US-20 / Reynolds Road) on the Ohio Turnpike (I-80). From the exit, go south to the first light, which is Dussel Drive, and turn right. There are two excellent restaurants on Dussel Drive: Bangkok Kitchen for excellent Thai food www.bangkokkitchenmaumee.com , and Mancy's Bluewater Grille for excellent seafood www.mancys.com/bluewater-grille/bluew... Mancy's is on the north side of Dussel; Bangkok Kitchen is on the south side of Dussel, somewhat inconspicuous in a strip mall just east of a Wendy's. The third recommendation is the Tandoor in Toledo, which has very good Indian food. From that same exit from I-80 (Exit 59, US-20 / Reynolds Road), turn north onto Reynolds Road and it's about a half mile from the exit, on the right. www.tandooroftoledo.com

about 17 hours ago
nsxtasy in Chicago Area

Cincinnatti - Looking for great fresh food

Jean Robert's Table has been widely considered the closest thing to a consensus choice as best restaurant in Cincinnati, ever since Maisonette closed a few years ago (which is too bad, it was such a classic culinary icon and the food was amazing). I absolutely loved my dinner there a year or so ago.

If your four days include a weekend, you might consider doing the Orchids at Palm Court for Sunday brunch. It's an elaborate all-you-can-eat buffet; that probably sounds unusual for such an upscale restaurant, but it's elegant and excellent. It will also give you the chance to check out the amazing renovated art deco architecture of the Hilton Cincinnati Netherland Plaza Hotel in which it is located.

Jul 19, 2014
nsxtasy in Great Lakes

Gene and Georgetti vs Erie Cafe for steak

Yes.

Jul 19, 2014
nsxtasy in Chicago Area

Cincinnatti - Looking for great fresh food

Two places for really great food in CINCINNATI:

Jean Robert's Table. www.jrtable.com
Orchids at Palm Court. www.orchidsatpalmcourt.com

Jul 19, 2014
nsxtasy in Great Lakes
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Good eats between NYC and Interlochen,MI via I80

If you're looking for Indian food along your route without a detour, the Tandoor in Toledo is very good indeed. From NYC, exit the Ohio Turnpike at Exit 59 (US-20 / Reynolds Road), the same exit as for Mancy's Bluewater and Bangkok Kitchen. From the exit, turn north onto Reynolds Road and it's about a half mile from the exit, on the right. www.tandooroftoledo.com

Jul 18, 2014
nsxtasy in Great Lakes
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Hot Dogs & Pizza in Chicago

>> What I'm hoping to learn about are those cool, local places that are not chains and I wouldn't otherwise have heard of.

There are lots of lists of such places, which you can call up by entering "chicago's best hot dogs" into any website search engine. For example, this recent list is a pretty good one:

The 14 Best Hot Dogs In Chicago - www.chicagoist.com/2014/07/02/the_14_...

Jul 18, 2014
nsxtasy in Chicago Area

Gene and Georgetti vs Erie Cafe for steak

I think you're better off at a place with better steaks. Such as David Burke's Primehouse.

Jul 17, 2014
nsxtasy in Chicago Area

Hot Dogs & Pizza in Chicago

For pizza, see this topic:

Pizza - www.chow.com/topics/980973

As for Hot Doug's, the waits there are currently running two hours or more. Plus it's quite inconvenient to get to. If you want an alternative for unusual encased meats without the inconvenience or the waits, consider Franks 'n' Dawgs. If you're looking for the classic Chicago-style hot dog (which is not what Hot Doug's is all about anyway), consider Portillo's.

Jul 17, 2014
nsxtasy in Chicago Area

Fifty Years - DTW

In all fairness, the Original Pancake House is not your typical chain. Their particular business model encourages individual franchisees to establish a level of quality, refinement, and individuality not found in most other chains. To the extent that some of the longtime owners, such as the Hamiltons in suburban Detroit (since 1962) and the Walkers in suburban Chicago (since 1960), have achieved a nationwide reputation that extends far beyond their local area. I've heard praise for the Grosse Point Woods location and I live 300 miles away!

But this list was created by rainsux who can do whatever he/she decides is best regarding whether or not to include them on it. The Original Pancake House certainly meets the time constraint, since they have been in GPW for 52 years and counting.

Jul 16, 2014
nsxtasy in Great Lakes

would like restaurants near the wyndham grand on the riverfront

There was a question earlier today about dining options within walking distance of the Langham, which is right across the river from the Wyndham Grand. All the recommendations posted in that discussion, which include numerous affordable options as well as ethnic dining spots, would apply equally to staying at the Wyndham Grand:

August Long weekend restaurant suggestions - www.chow.com/topics/982615

Similarly, this topic from the past couple of days inquired about moderately-priced dining near the Sheraton, which is a couple of blocks east, so those recommendations would also apply to the Wyndham Grand:

Any Neighborhood joints near the Sheraton on E North Water St.? - www.chow.com/topics/982385

Jul 16, 2014
nsxtasy in Chicago Area

August Long weekend restaurant suggestions

There are a LOT of excellent, interesting, creative places within walking distance of the Langham. Here are top picks:

- Sable for contemporary American small plates - www.sablechicago.com

- GT Fish & Oyster for seafood small plates - www.gtoyster.com

- Emilio's Sol y Nieve for tapas - www.emiliostapas.com

- Frontera Grill and Topolobampo for contemporary Mexican - www.rickbayless.com/restaurants

- TRU for high-end fine dining - www.trurestaurant.com

- Naha for contemporary American finer dining (not as expensive as TRU) - www.naha-chicago.com

- Purple Pig for Mediterranean small plates (go at off hours, beware horrendously long waits at normal mealtimes) - www.thepurplepigchicago.com

- The original Pizzeria Uno and Pizzeria Due for deep-dish pizza - www.unos.com

- Piccolo Sogno Due for Italian - www.piccolosognodue.com

- Eataly for Italian shopping, dining, and grazing - www.eataly.com

- David Burke's Primehouse for steaks - www.davidburkesprimehouse.com

- Meli Café on Wells for breakfast - www.melicafe.com

- Heaven on Seven on Wabash for breakfast - www.heavenonseven.com

- Intelligentsia on Randolph for coffee - www.intelligentsiacoffee.com

- Firecakes and Glazed and Infused, both on Hubbard, and Do-Rite for donuts - www.firecakesdonuts.com and www.goglazed.com and www.doritedonuts.com

- Toni Patisserie for pastry - www.tonipatisserie.com

- Garrett's for popcorn - www.garrettpopcorn.com

All of the above are open for lunch as well as dinner except TRU and the places for breakfast, coffee, and snacks. Advance reservations are advisable; all of the dinner places except the Purple Pig and Uno/Due accept them, including on Opentable.com (Frontera on cityeats.com). Many of the above feature local ingredients, and the city's Green City Market is supported by many of their chefs, including Heather Terhune of Sable, Rick Bayless of Frontera, Carrie Nahabedian of Naha, and Tony Priolo of Piccolo Sogno.

Jul 16, 2014
nsxtasy in Chicago Area
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Fifty Years - DTW

>> Original Pancake House, June 30, 1953

For purposes of Detroit-area openings, that should say 1962.

The Original Pancake House is a nationwide franchise chain whose first restaurant opened on June 30, 1953 in Portland, Oregon.* They currently have three locations in the Detroit area (Birmingham, Grosse Pointe Woods, Southfield). The first of these, in Grosse Pointe Woods, was opened in 1962 by the grandfather of the current owners of those three locations.**

Ref:
* www.oregonlive.com/dining/index.ssf/2...
www.oregonbusiness.com/articles/85-ju...
** www.mlive.com/business/detroit/index....

Jul 15, 2014
nsxtasy in Great Lakes

My Weekend Chicago Restaurant (tentative) Schedule. Comments? Changes? Suggestions? Much Appreciated

Breakfast/brunch:

Richard Walker's Pancake House, Schaumburg - www.richardwalkers.com
Apple Villa Pancake House, Hoffman Estates - www.applevillapancakes.com

Better, but further:

Walker Brothers Original Pancake House, Arlington Heights - www.walkerbros.net

Brunch, Sundays only:

Shaw's Crab House, Schaumburg - www.shawscrabhouse.com

Dinner:

Shaw's Crab House, Schaumburg (seafood) - www.shawscrabhouse.com
Lou Malnati's, Schaumburg (deep-dish pizza - Roselle Road location has dine-in, Barrington Road location is carry-out only) - www.loumalnatis.com
Taste of Thai, Hoffman Estates (Thai) - www.tasteofthaihoffmanestates.com
Chef Vince's Zeal, Schaumburg (American, Italian) - www.chefvinceszeal.com
Salsa 17, Arlington Heights (contemporary Mexican) - www.salsa17grill.com
Seasons 52, Schaumburg (American) - www.seasons52.com
Coopers Hawk, Arlington Heights (American) - www.chwinery.com
8000 Miles, Roselle (Chinese) - www.8000milesrestaurant.com

Where they take them, reservations in advance are advisable, especially on weekends. Many of the above accept reservations on Opentable.com

Jul 15, 2014
nsxtasy in Chicago Area

River North and Lakeview recommendations (with big kids)

>> My 13 year old daughter and I are taking her 19 year old brother back to school over Labor Day weekend. Son lives in Lakeview near the Music Box Theatre (we would have to park the car somewhere).

I know you saw my recommendation for Deleece in the other topic (at www.chow.com/topics/982260#9059931 ). Deleece is right next door to the Music Box, and the entrance to Deleece is through the theater lobby.

Parking in that area is sometimes difficult. Read the signs carefully. In general, the through streets (such as Southport, which the theater/restaurant are on) have "pay boxes" which have replaced meters; you'll find one or two boxes on each block into which you put money and retrieve a receipt to leave on your dashboard. The pay boxes tell what hours they are enforced. The side streets are mostly permit parking, requiring either a permanent or guest permit to park there; those should be marked with signs as to the hours they are enforced.

Another restaurant I like in Lakeview is Mixteco Grill, for contemporary Mexican cuisine. Dinner all week and brunch on Saturday/Sunday.

>> Daughter and I are staying in River North (with parking). I hope to try Lou Minalti's one night but need dinner recommendations for the other 2 nights - preferably River North-ish (we will walk or hop the L for a quick ride).

There are lots of places in River North. Two of my favorites are Sable (contemporary American small plates) and GT Fish & Oyster (seafood small plates). And you can spend lots of time in Eataly, for Italian shopping, dining, and grazing.

>> Also, lunch recommendations around Lakeview would be great.

Deleece is open for lunch all week. Mixteco Grill does brunch, only on weekends. I also like Café Ba-Ba-Reeba, the tapas restaurant in Lincoln Park, just south of Lakeview; they do lunch/brunch Fridays through Sundays. Nookies Tree is in Lakeview and serves lunch all week. Oh and don't miss Southport Grocery and Café! It's a café/restaurant (not just a grocery store), and in fact it's one of our very best places for brunch. They're open for lunch all week; on weekends (like most of our best brunch places) you may have to wait 30+ minutes to be seated if you go between roughly 9:30 and 1:00, but that shouldn't be a problem on weekdays. It's just a couple of blocks south of the Music Box.

www.deleece.com
www.mixtecogrill.com
www.sablechicago.com
www.gtoyster.com
www.eataly.com
www.cafebabareeba.com
www.nookieschicago.com
www.southportgrocery.com

Jul 14, 2014
nsxtasy in Chicago Area

Need a good restaurant near tinly park

Tin Fish is very good. They specialize in seafood. www.tinfishrestaurant.com

There's also a Lou Malnati's, for our delicious local specialty of Chicago-style deep-dish pizza. The Tinley Park location is carry-out and delivery only. www.loumalnatis.com

Jul 14, 2014
nsxtasy in Chicago Area

Any Neighborhood joints near the Sheraton on E North Water St.?

Well, of course it's a neighborhood! It's usually called River East. That area has lots of high-rise buildings, many of them hotels, some of them condos and rental apartments. It's a short walk to North Michigan Avenue (the Magnificent Mile). The concentration of hotels and shopping means that many of the people in the area are visitors from elsewhere like yourself, while many others actually do live around there.

Moderately-priced places to eat in the vicinity include Emilio's Sol y Nieve (tapas), Sayat Nova (Armenian), and a little bit further west, Sable (contemp American small plates), Purple Pig (Mediterranean small plates, go at off hours to avoid long waits at normal meal times), Quartino (Italian small plates), Coco Pazzo Café (Italian), Bandera (American), and Pizzeria Uno and Due (deep-dish pizza). Eataly is also nearby, for Italian shopping, dining, and grazing. For a high-end dinner, TRU is only a few blocks away; it's excellent, but dressy (jackets required for gentlemen) and pretty pricey, typically $200-300 per person including moderate alcohol and tax/tip. If that's too much for your high-end dinner, consider walking a bit further to Naha, which is not quite as dressy and where the typical tab runs about half that much.

Making reservations in advance is generally a good idea. Most of the places above, with the exceptions of Purple Pig and Uno/Due, accept them, including on Opentable.com

For breakfast, LB Bistro in the hotel is interesting but not inexpensive, or you can walk to Yolk. Nearby places for donuts include Firecakes and Glazed and Infused, both on Hubbard.

www.emiliostapas.com
www.sayatnovachicago.com
www.sablechicago.com
www.thepurplepigchicago.com
www.quartinochicago.com
www.cocopazzocafe.com
www.hillstone.com (Bandera)
www.unos.com
www.eataly.com
www.trurestaurant.com
www.naha-chicago.com
www.lbbistro.com
www.eatyolk.com
www.firecakesdonuts.com
www.goglazed.com

Jul 14, 2014
nsxtasy in Chicago Area

Not to be missed Cleveland recommendations for Dallas, tx business traveler

>> Dinner: driving from downtown Cleveland to Akron (airport)- must be an early dinner around 4-4:30pm closer to akron

I drive through Akron on long-distance road trips frequently, so I need places that are open all afternoon long. Here are two of my favorites. And since they're in Akron, you'll have most of your driving done; it's just a quick shot from there south to the airport, and traffic shouldn't be an issue.

Crave is in downtown Akron, easily accessible from OH-8 from the eastern pars of Cleveland and only slightly out of the way if you're coming down I-77. The menu is contemporary American small plates and it's terrific. There's a convenient parking garage right across the street. www.eatdrinkcrave.com

The Office, which also has a location in suburban Cleveland (Cuyahoga Falls), is a bistro pub type place and the food is quite good there too; I'd give the overall nod to Crave, but the Office is good also. The Office is right off OH-8 north of downtown Akron. There's parking right behind the restaurant. www.theofficebistro.com

They're both open all afternoon on weekdays; check hours for weekends.

Jul 13, 2014
nsxtasy in Great Lakes

Advice and Thanks

>> I live in Lakeview (East), and I know there's a Malnati's closer than the Gold Coast one, but it's listed as smaller than the others?

Sorry, but I can't answer, since I haven't been to the locations in Lincoln Park (north side) or Wicker Park (northwest side).

Here are two more suggestions you might consider. Both are casual, moderately-priced, fun, fairly noisy, fairly crowded neighborhood bistro type places. These are two of my favorite places in the city, with terrific food, and I've been to each many times. First is Deleece, which serves American food (sort of a combination of contemporary American and comfort food), in Lakeview next to the Music Box Theater on Southport. www.deleece.com The other is Anteprima, which serves Italian food, in Andersonville on Clark Street. www.anteprimachicago.net Both have specials on weekdays (a three-course prix fixe Mondays-Tuesdays at Deleece, and Sundays-Thursdays at Anteprima) but the prices on the regular menu are very reasonable so you don't have to go crazy trying to avoid the weekends at either one.

>> Any thoughts on a nice, romantic birthday drink spot would be very much appreciated as well. The spot wouldn't need to be limited to Lakeview.

If you mean a place for drinks only, before dinner, I'm really no expert on that, and of course it depends on where you're dining.

Jul 13, 2014
nsxtasy in Chicago Area

Advice and Thanks

I think trying out our delicious deep-dish pizza is a great idea, since you just moved here and pizza is your birthday tradition. Uno and Due can be loud and cramped (which some would call festive but not nicer), but I haven't been to all the locations for Malnati's or Pizano's, just a few. Where do you live? Is it possible that one of the neighborhood locations of Malnati's might be more convenient for you, or do you need to be downtown?

You also mention contemporary Mexican cuisine as a possibility, and that would certainly work. As an alternative to Frontera Grill, consider Mexique in West Town, or Mixteco Grill at the north end of Lakeview. Both have excellent food and are casual and fun, and probably easier to get reservations (you can check on Opentable.com). Note that Mixteco Grill is BYOB and there is a liquor store kitty-corner from the restaurant.

Jul 13, 2014
nsxtasy in Chicago Area

NorCal Hound would love feedback/ideas on my dining plans

Glad to hear that you had such a great time! Thanks for posting the report - feedback is always helpful.

Jul 12, 2014
nsxtasy in Chicago Area

Bryant's & Oklahoma Joe's, Kansas City

>> What did you think of the crown rib?

As I posted above: "I thought the beef short rib was superb. They actually gave me a rib and a half. They were enormous and delicious, moist and tender and meaty." It was easily my favorite item on the combo plate.

I also thought the onion rings were pretty darn spectacular.

Jul 11, 2014
nsxtasy in Great Plains

Milwaukee Area on a Sunday + / - 1 day

Glad you enjoyed your trip. And thanks for posting the report - feedback is always helpful!

Jul 11, 2014
nsxtasy in Great Lakes

breakfast/lunch suggestions

Just be aware of distances; for example, Wildberry and XOCO are each almost a mile on foot from the hotel, and not in the direction of the Shedd/Field.

Incidentally, the restaurant in your hotel, the Florentine, is excellent for lunch and dinner, if you're interested in mid-priced Italian cuisine. They also serve breakfast, but like most hotel restaurants, breakfast there can be a bit pricey. www.the-florentine.net

Jul 10, 2014
nsxtasy in Chicago Area

breakfast/lunch suggestions

For breakfast, some of our best and most interesting places are in the South Loop near the Adler Planetarium and Field Museum, rather than near the hotel.

My top pick is Bongo Room at Roosevelt (12th) and Wabash. They specialize in creative pancakes, such as pretzel pancakes with white chocolate caramel sauce. A standard portion consists of three HUGE pancakes, but you can also order a one-third or two-thirds portion size, which lets you try multiple dishes.

In addition to Bongo Room, there are several other breakfast options in that vicinity: Yolk, Little Branch Café, and Waffles.

For lunch near the Adler and Field, I like Gioco for Italian.

www.thebongoroom.com
www.eatyolk.com
www.littlebranchcafe.com
www.wafflescafechicago.com
www.gioco-chicago.com

Jul 10, 2014
nsxtasy in Chicago Area

Sunday brunch in Milwaukee - Envoy or Harbor House or...?

Thanks for all these suggestions. I've looked over the menus and your suggestion of the brunch at the Iron Horse - they call it the "Route 66 Brunch Buffet" (it's actually a combination of a buffet and prepared-to-order dishes) - sounds very appealing. Maybe I'll try that instead. Thanks again!

Jul 10, 2014
nsxtasy in Great Lakes

Good eats between NYC and Interlochen,MI via I80

The terrain across Pennsylvania is certainly hilly, with upgrades and downgrades. However, it's interstate quality, meaning that it's graded and the curves aren't all that bad (not like twisting winding two-lane mountain roads). So the terrain really isn't all that difficult, although not flat and straight like it is once you cross into Ohio.

The more challenging aspect is that it's a through route used by a lot of semis (large tractor-trailers). So you'll be passing (and occasionally held up by) lots of big trucks. Between that and the distance across PA, I wouldn't call it an easy drive. But it shouldn't be a problem for anyone who's accustomed to driving on interstates.

HTH

Jul 09, 2014
nsxtasy in Great Lakes
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Good eats between NYC and Interlochen,MI via I80

>> But a detrour to Crave adds 20 minutes above the fastest route ...

No, it doesn't. It adds no more than 5 minutes to the route, usually nothing at all. Based on your references to Google Maps, it sounds like you have never actually driven into Akron on the way while driving across I-80 between Toledo and Pennsylvania. Akron is a very small city, with few if any delays for traffic (and Craze is a wonderful restaurant).

Furthermore, you've ignored the excellent food options in Toledo/Maumee (or Ann Arbor), which add no time at all because they're right along the way. Why add 30-60 minutes to drive all the way into Detroit or Cleveland when you don't need to add any time at all? Of course, the answer to that question is obvious.

I've driven all these routes literally dozens of times; I've driven across PA on I-80 30-40 times, and on the Ohio Turnpike section of I-80 many more than that. I've stopped at Craze and Bangkok Kitchen and Mancy's Bluewater numerous times, including within the past six months (as well as at other restaurants that I would not recommend as highly). I've also driven into and out of Detroit and Cleveland numerous times as well. If I were on a long-distance trip and didn't actually have a need to stop in those cities, I would never, ever take the long detour to do so. I am not knocking those cities; I've had some excellent food in both of them when visiting, as I am doing now. Perhaps you are misinterpreting my recommended route as some sort of insult, since you've posted such lengthy, emotional diatribes in response to short posts of advice? It's not. However, if I didn't need to stop there and wanted to get to my destination quickly - rather than willing to meander and spend extra time along the way - I would never, ever take the long way and go through Detroit or Cleveland. It just isn't necessary.

Oh, and as for enforcement advice - as strict as it is in OH, it's quite lax in MI. Even if you drive at a very high speed well above the limit - which I am not recommending, but even if you do - there will be even faster cars passing you.

Now the OP has enough information to make his/her own decision, and decide on the best route and dining options. Good luck on your trip, and let us know how it goes!

Jul 09, 2014
nsxtasy in Great Lakes