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Former NYC Mayor Michael Bloomberg donates $85,000 to support Berkeley’s proposed soda tax

That's a very nice idea but I don't think it holds water when you consider PepsiCo spends $2 billion a year on marketing and Coke spends $2.9 bil. Education against $5 bil a year is a pretty stiff row. Education costs $$$.

However to take that question on face value - to educate the public would cost to produce and air the ads, and it would still have to compete against Pepsi Co and all the others.

Given the societal costs, I'd say tax the one cent and use that for education.

Oct 20, 2014
ML8000 in San Francisco Bay Area

Former NYC Mayor Michael Bloomberg donates $85,000 to support Berkeley’s proposed soda tax

If you don't like the soda tax - DON'T buy soda.

Not that difficult. You do have a choice.

Oct 20, 2014
ML8000 in San Francisco Bay Area

Former NYC Mayor Michael Bloomberg donates $85,000 to support Berkeley’s proposed soda tax

Seems like a fair idea until you realize the Beverage Lobby has dropped $7m on the SF initiative alone. They're going to drop billions on this for years to come as this spreads.

I'm in full agreement if your statement also including the exclusion of lobbyists and industry groups, i.e., meddling corporations with a billion dollar PR apparatus.

If you want do-gooders out of the equation, then the money droppers and corporate personhood stuff goes as well.

So... "How about we all just be allowed to make our own decision wthout being deterred by meddling do-gooders and corporations with billion dollar PR funds that think they should make decisions for us."

Oct 20, 2014
ML8000 in San Francisco Bay Area

Former NYC Mayor Michael Bloomberg donates $85,000 to support Berkeley’s proposed soda tax

Here's something interesting related soda consumption from researchers at UCSF, it destroys DNA:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/10/da...

"A study by researchers at the University of California, San Francisco reveals that consuming soda can — independently of the role it plays in obesity — cause premature death.

In an article published in the American Journal of Public Health, Cindy Leung and Elissa Epel demonstrate that individuals who consume more soda have shorter telomeres in their white bloods cells. Telomeres are units of DNA that protect the ends of chromosomes in cells, and shorter telomeres in white blood cells have been associated with age-related diseases, including cancer, diabetes, and heart disease.

“Regular consumption of sugar-sweetened sodas might influence disease development, not only by straining the body’s metabolic control of sugars, but also through accelerated cellular aging of tissues,” Epel said. “This is the first demonstration that soda is associated with telomere shortness.”

“This finding held regardless of age, race, income and education level,” she continued. “Telomere shortening starts long before disease onset. Further, although we only studied adults here, it is possible that soda consumption is associated with telomere shortening in children, as well.”

Oct 20, 2014
ML8000 in San Francisco Bay Area

Former NYC Mayor Michael Bloomberg donates $85,000 to support Berkeley’s proposed soda tax

Nope, the local doughnut lobby, hipster and cops, won't let it happen. It's an unbeatable coalition that would first create apps and a bicycle rally to fight it and then the cops would start busting heads because of no doughnuts. Not happening. There will be peace in San Francisco!

Former NYC Mayor Michael Bloomberg donates $85,000 to support Berkeley’s proposed soda tax

One cent per ounce is the proposed Berkeley soda tax. That's the article quoted by the OP. See the first post (2nd line) and link.

Okay, so SF is .02¢ per ounce. Yeah terrible error. So double those SF figures. So it's closer to $100mil, all the better. Let it rip baby! Tax it all!

Oct 18, 2014
ML8000 in San Francisco Bay Area

Former NYC Mayor Michael Bloomberg donates $85,000 to support Berkeley’s proposed soda tax

The City of San Francisco has a population of 837,000. If you use the average American consumption rate, 170 liters per person/annually, this is what you get.

170 liters = 5,748 ounces x .01¢ = $57.48

$57 x 837k = $47,709,000.00

Oct 18, 2014
ML8000 in San Francisco Bay Area

Former NYC Mayor Michael Bloomberg donates $85,000 to support Berkeley’s proposed soda tax

The Bev industry likely sees this as the first battle and then dominoes, like same sex marriage, smog reg, bag bans and the like. How California goes, so goes the country.

So...California has a population of approx 35 mil.

This chart says Americans consumer 170 liters per person annually. http://www.slate.com/articles/health_...

170 liters = 5,748 ounces x .01¢ = $57.48

$57 x 35 mil people = $1,995,000,000.00 ...or around $2 bil/year. That's how much would be collected if the whole state taxed sugary drinks at .01¢/oz. over a year.

$7.7m is really peanuts when you consider the domino effect, once one state does, many usually follow.

Oct 18, 2014
ML8000 in San Francisco Bay Area

Former NYC Mayor Michael Bloomberg donates $85,000 to support Berkeley’s proposed soda tax

It's already happening in SF, of sort. See Healthy San Francisco: http://en.wikipedia.or/wiki/Healthy_S...

I have no issue with this since I think it's a very good idea that food workers, the people handling your food, have decent healthcare coverage.

I don't see this as smug or screwing ourselves but rather simple common sense.

Oct 18, 2014
ML8000 in San Francisco Bay Area

Former NYC Mayor Michael Bloomberg donates $85,000 to support Berkeley’s proposed soda tax

No, very unlikely. In California, retail groceries are NOT taxed at purchase, likely due to the nutritional value. I don't know the background law related to it but I'd guess it's FDA or USDA reg.

Oct 18, 2014
ML8000 in San Francisco Bay Area

Former NYC Mayor Michael Bloomberg donates $85,000 to support Berkeley’s proposed soda tax

Nope, sugary drinks simply has negative consequences regarding public health, just like tobacco. A tax will flatten some of the public health risk. Also, you 'll still be able to buy the stuff everywhere.

Former NYC Mayor Michael Bloomberg donates $85,000 to support Berkeley’s proposed soda tax

It's only a matter of time before a measure is passed to tax sugary drinks. The industry groups can drop all the money they want on it but it will eventually pass. Of course when it passes here, the rest of the country will follow as usual. See; same sex marriage and plastic bag ban.

p.s. I drink sugary drinks and I'm for the tax.

Oct 18, 2014
ML8000 in San Francisco Bay Area

ok, how about good areas in Oakland?

"Oh, and Oakland is no Brooklyn."

Ain't this the truth and I sure am happy about it because otherwise we'd be on the bloody east coast along with snow, crappy weather and less sunshine.

Oct 18, 2014
ML8000 in San Francisco Bay Area

ok, how about good areas in Oakland?

The take-out dim sum is as good as SF, Tao Yuen and Sun Sing. Not as much density but for the size of Oakland's Chinatown it does pretty good. I haven't been to Clement St. forever but the selection seems as good or better to me.

Oct 17, 2014
ML8000 in San Francisco Bay Area

ok, how about good areas in Oakland?

They finally found a new tenant for the old Barnes and Noble space, Plank. Having not gone there yet, the vibe I get is sort of a Yerba Buena bowling with eats and beer..but I don't really know. However filing that space has to be good for JLSq.

Started a thread on it: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/992545

Oct 17, 2014
ML8000 in San Francisco Bay Area

Plank - JLSq Oakland

Anyone try Plank in the old Barnes and Noble space in Jack London Square? Bowling, beer garden, bocce...

SFGate take: http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/johnson...

http://sf.eater.com/2014/10/10/695765...

http://insidescoopsf.sfgate.com/blog/...

Oct 17, 2014
ML8000 in San Francisco Bay Area

North Beach/Telegraph Hill/Chinatown [San Francisco]

Tony's Coal-Fired Pizza
Stella Bakery for Canoli
+1 Golden Gate Bakery for egg tart

Oct 15, 2014
ML8000 in San Francisco Bay Area

Tommy's Joynt [San Francisco]

I wouldn't waste a lunch at Red's. The view, vibe and beer are fine but the burgers and grub are pretty bad, Sysco level.

Oct 15, 2014
ML8000 in San Francisco Bay Area

Where to get Birthday cake after 11PM on Sat night?

Try Au Coquelet on University Ave in Berkeley. The cakes are better than Safeway but usually sold in slices. I'd call but they are open until 2 a.m. on Sat.

Oct 14, 2014
ML8000 in San Francisco Bay Area

SF restaurant fit for foodies and 3-year-olds?

To bounce off the Asian picks, I'd find an upscale-ish Mexican place, La Urbana, Nopalito, Colibri, etc. Culturally they also tend to be family oriented and good with kids.
Or you could go regional Mexican like in this thread: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/827474

As I understand it the Mexican food in the UK isn't very good and this is California. Mexican food is the thing I miss most about CA when coming back.

ok, how about good areas in Oakland?

Yes a 15 min walk to BART...but if you decide to sit down for coffee and a pastry, look in that nice bookstore (Pegasus) or wander by the Market Hall..that can be a chunk of time, and that's not even all the restaurants mentioned in Rockridge.

All I'm saying is there is a lot in Rockridge and Oakland (and a lot mentioned here) and you could easily get sidetracked. But it really comes down to how one travels. Some people sleep in and take their time, others are out the door at 7 a.m. with a list.

Oct 13, 2014
ML8000 in San Francisco Bay Area

ok, how about good areas in Oakland?

I got that part but half a morning in Oakland kills half a morning in SF. Since this is the OP's first time to SF, sorta makes sense to make the most of it.

Oct 13, 2014
ML8000 in San Francisco Bay Area

ok, how about good areas in Oakland?

And she has 4 days or something like that? Yeah sure, take a walk down Rockridge, get breakfast, then leave to SF. You just killed 1/8th of your time not in SF.

Oct 13, 2014
ML8000 in San Francisco Bay Area

ok, how about good areas in Oakland?

All these rec's for Rockridge and Oakland but the OP wants to hang in S.F. It's almost like trolling (or taunting) to pile those on now. Of course OAK has been getting the love recently with the NYT and other articles.

Oct 13, 2014
ML8000 in San Francisco Bay Area

Spanish Chorizo

If you're looking for a local maker, try Taylor's Sausage. They make their own Spanish Chorizo. I have not tried it.

Oct 12, 2014
ML8000 in San Francisco Bay Area

Spanish Chorizo

Spanish Table in Berkeley, on San Pablo.

Oct 12, 2014
ML8000 in San Francisco Bay Area

Tostilocos and Mexican ice cream in Hayward

I was driving through Sonoma and stopped by La Michoacana. I thought it was very good. Popsicles were good too. It's a small family owned chain.

La Michoacana
18495 Hwy 12
Sonoma, CA 95476

Oct 11, 2014
ML8000 in San Francisco Bay Area

Boudin sausage?

Taylor's Sausage in Oakland's Housewives market makes/carries boudin blanc sausages.

Oct 11, 2014
ML8000 in San Francisco Bay Area

ok, how about good areas in Oakland?

12th St. BART to SF is faster than the 38 Geary to downtown, that's for sure. 19th St is close but no hotels. BnBs in that area doesn't seem likely. Rockridge is very nice but requires a transfer on BART at night and that's a hassle but not unreasonable.

Otherwise, yeah Oakland is basically what SF was but affordable (relatively). But if the point is to visit SF, stay in SF or make sure the trip there is quick.

Oct 08, 2014
ML8000 in San Francisco Bay Area

ok, how about good areas in Oakland?

If the point is to visit SF, the farthest I'd stay is near 12 St. BART, or just stay in SF (the better option).

12th St BART is a 15 min train ride to the first couple of BART stations in SF. Any further away might save some $$$ on accommodations but would cut into actual SF time. Also near 12 St. BART is Oakland Chinatown and Old Oakland, where there's some nice places, coffee, etc.

South Berkeley is a residential area as mentioned and I agree, there's not much around and the 15 min walks to the subway sounds like it could be a half hour. I think the area is safe but as a tourist there for a short stay, at night it can be confusing and very little foot traffic. If you live there, no big deal.

Oct 08, 2014
ML8000 in San Francisco Bay Area