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Stone in Berlin

So is craft beer in Berlin basically small batch, local, well made traditional styles (pilsner, marzen, dunkel) or is there more brewing of international styles and experimentation? Which is more common?

about 11 hours ago
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Stone in Berlin

Which beers are those?

about 16 hours ago
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Stone in Berlin

How does one sell Belgian beers in Germany such as fruit beers, beers brewed w/ candied sugar, etc?

about 17 hours ago
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Stone in Berlin

Ok so can Stone make a noticeable and positive contribution to the Berlin craft beer scene in your opinion?

about 17 hours ago
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Stone in Berlin

How does Stone brewing in Berlin harm the local craft breweries?

1 day ago
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Beer myths, part 1

Hold up so pilsner, porter, stout and IPA aren't styles either?

Jul 16, 2014
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Beer myths, part 1

Would it be fair to say that these beers (enkel, dubbel and tripel) are distinguished by strength rather than style?

Jul 15, 2014
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Beer myths, part 1

So what is the name for Trappist beer stronger than a Tripel?

Jul 15, 2014
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Beer myths, part 1

Well I could really understand your strong feelings if through our influence we Americans were changing the recipes of the beers you love. We'd be robbing you of your beer and history. But we, to the contrary adore the beers of Belgium as they are and do our best to brew them like Belgians (utterly not to your satisfaction we know).
I don't see how categorizing them (incorrectly) takes away from your drinking pleasure or why it disturbs you so profoundly.

Jul 13, 2014
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Beer myths, part 1

But the beers haven't changed in 70 years. None of these American beer organizations or websites existed 70 years ago. This beer we like and mistakenly call quadrupel predates everything.

Jul 13, 2014
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Beer myths, part 1

"There are brewers outside the US who will quite happily sell their beers in the US and will name them and/or brew them according to what they read on the BJCP site or RB or BA."

But the most popular "quadrupel" (sorry) style beers in the US outdate BJCP, RB, BA and the entire American craft beer movement by decades and decades (i.e. Westvleteren 12, Rochefort 10 and St Bernardus).
This style that we American wrongly call quadrupel isn't some bastardized American concoction, the recipes for these beers are purely a European creation aren't they?

Jul 13, 2014
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Beer myths, part 1

Well for one their experience w/ wine is growing and changing (much like it is in the United States). It's a function of education and travel. So w/ their feet firmly under themselves now and w/ more experience Brits seeking out and making specific higher end purchases.
So I can imagine a Brit reading about a particular food and wine pairing or traveling to Spain and having a wine and desiring to replicate that at home as closely as possible or seeking out that experience again while traveling.

Jul 13, 2014
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Beer myths, part 1

You aren't the object of my observation other Brits and Europeans I've met are.
Here's recent analysis from a market research firm in regard to trends in British wine consumption:
"...wine drinking is becoming increasingly popular in the UK, which is traditionally not a wine drinking country. Consumers have become increasingly sophisticated thanks to more education on the different types of wine and its combination with food and as a result of increasing international travel to southern Europe and other traditional wine drinking regions. Consumers are opting for quality over quantity, as demonstrated by the fact that value sales were up but volumes stagnated over the review period."
- http://www.euromonitor.com/wine-in-th...

So through education and travel at least the British consumer's taste are changing and honing onto more specific higher end purchases.

Jul 12, 2014
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Beer myths, part 1

"And, if you want a particular French wine [in Belgium], you either have to go to the region where it is produced or you may have to buy a bottle of a commercial version which is shipped to Paris."
- ThomasvanDale

Well, isn't that "searching" too?

Jul 11, 2014
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Beer myths, part 1

I think the word we are looking for is connoisseurship. In regard to beer, while your typical German loves beer he loves HIS beer (whatever his regional beer might be) and is not at all interested in unlocking the mysteries of British or American ale. While on the otherhand an American craft drinker is often quite the opposite. We want to figure it all out and experiment. Same is true I've found of Brits, US etc wine drinkers, again due to our historical relationship w/ wine.

Jul 11, 2014
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Beer myths, part 1

For sure. Wine isn't an integral part of US, Dutch, British, etc culture. My point is people from non-traditional wine growing countries treat wine more like a hobby. So a Brit or American wine drinker might come to France and be initially surprised (as I was) that there wasn't the wider range of wines available from different countries that I was used to at home.

Jul 11, 2014
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Beer myths, part 1

Yes. To clarify my point, the traditional wine growing nations I listed are Italy and France (there are others). Non traditional wine growing nations I listed are Britain, Ireland, Scandinavia and the US. Yes the US producing some fine wines but like in Britain, and Ireland etc Americans generally aren't raised up drinking wine from early on, it's not broadly part of everyday culture like in France or Italy. Wine is a hobby or an interest for many wine drinkers outside the traditional wine growing nations. This leads to searching and discovering of wines; similar to how some can treat craft beer.

Jul 11, 2014
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Beer myths, part 1

Correction: I said in Britain, Ireland, Scandinavia AND the USA people search for new wines.

Jul 11, 2014
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Beer myths, part 1

Ok first yes there is no such thing as a "Quad" in Belgium; but there is one in the Netherlands and Belgian breweries do use "quad" in USA for marketing purposes.
I think too that an analogy can be drawn between what you are saying and between wine drinkers from traditional and the nontraditional wine producing countries. In Italy or France wine is a local product which while held in great esteem isn't something that folks will invest a lot of time in looking outside their country (or even village maybe) to discover new stuff. They know what's good and are happy. On the other hand from my travels to Britain, Ireland, and Scandinavia and at home in the US typical wine drinkers will tend to seek out and drink new stuff from all over the world for a new experience while having favorites that they will return to over and over again too.

Jul 11, 2014
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Beer myths, part 1

Will they give you any indication of a style the beers might be?

Jul 10, 2014
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Beer myths, part 1

I'm not sure of the question being asked. Could you repeat.

Jul 10, 2014
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Beer myths, part 1

If you are referring to whether I'd drink a beer named Piss my answer is no; altho' I don't think that question was for me.

Jul 10, 2014
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Beer myths, part 1

I just wanna be clear here is your point that ordering beer by style in Belgium is frawned upon, rude, tiresome, what is the issue? I get that you don't need to know styles and are extremely pleased w/ what you drink. Well so was my dad and he only drank Bud for 40 years. What's at issue here?

Jul 10, 2014
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Beer myths, part 1

Wait if I'm in Belgium and I order a St Bernardus Abt 12 at a bar and they are out if I ask the bartender for something similar is that a faux pas in your world?

Jul 09, 2014
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Beer myths, part 1

How can it cause confusion to ask for a Quad if "Quad" is on the brewer's website?

Jul 08, 2014
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Beer myths, part 1

What about the Holy Trinity? French and Dutch don't care to recognize single, dubbel and tripel?

Jul 08, 2014
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Beer myths, part 1

But I clicked on the Dutch and French for other beers, and "dubbel" and "tripel" disappeared too.

Jul 08, 2014
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Beer myths, part 1

"The word “stout” did not originally refer to a dark beer. In the 1755 Dictionary of the English Language (four years before Arthur Guinness began brewing in Dublin, Ireland), Samuel Johnson called “stout” simply a slang name for strong beer, and well into the 18th century many brewery portfolios included both a pale stout and brown stout."
I have multiple sources.

Jul 08, 2014
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Novice traveling to Belgium, want to learn ahead of trip

As long go to breweries/brewpubs and you know where to stay away from in regard to getting served a Budfuckingweiser you're in good shape;]

Jul 07, 2014
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Novice traveling to Belgium, want to learn ahead of trip

I don't know where you live but there are bars which do specialize in local craft beer. One in Philly (the legendary "Standard Tap") only serves beers which are brewed 70 miles away or closer. A good selection of local craft beer is on menus of most beer bars in Philly (where I'm from). These kinda places sound right up your alley.

Jul 07, 2014
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