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V+V Diners Spring into Summer!

I don't know to tell you the truth.

Food by the Gallon: The Water We Eat

Nice, I learned recently cows use a lot of water. If you go to http://www.cowspiracy.com/

there's a lot of the same ideas. I think the technical term is virtual water.


V+V Diners Spring into Summer!

Friday May 22nd I had a vegetable delight from the nearby Chinese restaurant. I was surprised how delicious it was. I usually get vegetable fried rice. Vegetable delight much taster than vegetable fried rice. I didn't like the miniature corn though.

McDonald's Destroyed the Gut Bacteria of a College Kid in 10 Days

I've been eating a lot of fries at McDonald's maybe I'll lay off them. Just shows there is shades of black. McDonald is dark, but just how dark is it?

Forks Over Knives

Just watched Forks Over Knives. This is the 2nd time watching so I took notes.

First there is gore, its all surgery and about heart disease. I still have the imagines in my mind ick.

Gore scenes at: 12-15 minutes in the film and then at 58:30. Might want to skip these parts.

Anyways, I found the film enlightening and hopeful. If anything you should take away is to eat whole plant sources of food. For example, fruit, vegetables, and whole grains.

The film is emotionally tiresome, but not as bad as most documentaries I've seen. More light and upbeat than Simply Raw and We Feed the world, less upbeat then King Corn.

I did cry some because the film talked so much about cancer and heart disease. Despite this being the 2nd time I watched it. First time I cried more. I kept thinking of all the friends and family I lost to these diseases.

I really liked the part about Norway being invaded and heart disease going way down.

At 32:18 the movie shows a really cool explanation of hunger and satisfaction including the stretch and density receptors in your stomach. On natural plant food our stomach fills at 500 calories. Yet, on unnatural rich food we have to overeat to receive satisfaction.

Then, the coolest part of the movie I remember from last time. A really cool scene with a cartoon shark! According to one of the main characters rich foods are a drug with nutrient side effects.

At 61:00 the characters talk about milk. The countries with the highest level of dairy have the most osteoporosis. The scenes here show holes in bones, made me a little queasy.

There's many more scenes, about science and corruption, physically fit people on vegan diets, and people reversing disease through diet. I love this movie, even if has more gore than I remember.

Makes you really think about your own education and how milk is portrayed in the media. I can't trust science as much after watching this movie. I had the idea that science was somehow incorruptible. Yet, with big agribusiness influencing science, it seems realistic.

I believe that meat and dairy are bad for me, based on my own experience. I removed most dairy and meat products from my diet and am seeing results. I removed most meat/dairy shortly after this film was released.

Every year I move huge plants this time of year. This year was the easiest ever. At age 31 I am now stronger than I ever was, and I don't even lift weights.

My allergies have all but disappeared, I have more energy, my skin is clearer and feels nicer. My anger is reduced. Faster recovery times, more clarity of thought, the list goes on and on. Others around me who have reduced their meat and dairy consumption are also seeing results.

Simply Raw: Reversing Diabetes in 30 Days

I watched the documentary about four years ago. I think it's amazing, and gives me hope. Yet, at the same time I have to warn that there is needles in this movie.

I'm getting upset just typing the word needle. If your anything like me you'll have to sit/lay down while watching Simply Raw. This is because the idea of needles make me a little light headed and cringe.

If you can get past the beginning 5 minutes, that's where most of the needle scenes are you can learn a few things.

I. Orange juice raises your blood sugar the most
II. Its possible to control diabetes with diet, in this case raw vegan
III. Empathy for diabetics if your a non-diabetic.

Seeing as one of my best friends from childhood has diabetes, I felt obligated to watch this film. I can't imagine living life as a diabetic. My friend is now on dialysis because of kidney failure.

In short, this film is educational, yet pulls no punches. Its very hard to sit through. About as much fun to watch as being stabbed with a hot poker.

as if Starbucks is not sufficiently expensive . . .

Glad I don't have a smart phone.

Study: Dietary saturated fat does not raise risk in those with coronary heart disease

While we are on the subject I found this study:


from here:


Honestly, I know almost nothing on how to review studies like this. Yet, I was taught in all of school k-12 + college that saturated fat is really bad for your health.

Pro Vegetarian and Vegan scholarly peer reviewed articles

Thanks Rory, some of my insecurity about going vegetarian/vegan comes from being a male. It's a little weird being the only guy in the room eating a salad. Or the only person of either gender eating a salad at the Costco's food court.

Sounds silly, but this is the type of stuff that keeps me up at night. I wake up in the middle of the night, and I'm like "sheesh, I can't believe I'm trying vegetarian" and then I get all the embarrassing feelings that follow.

Have You Seen "King Corn" yet? [Moved from Manhattan board]

I watched King Corn last Summer, 2014. I really liked the movie it was really upbeat, and had cool music that I can still remember. I agree with bookgrrl72's review about the disturbing scenes.

I found King Corn to be relaxing, entertaining, and educational. I liked how the authors had a sense of whimsy. King Corn is unlike, We Feed the World, Simply Raw Reversing Diabetes in 30 days, and Healing Cancer from Inside Out, which are an emotional roller coaster which will leave you drained afterwards.

With its whimsical way King Corn portrays accurately that we need to be careful what we eat. Sure, a little bit of High Frutcose Corn Syrup, HFCS, here and there isn't that bad. Yet, we don't want HFCS in everything.

After watching King Corn I was convinced that grass fed beef was worth the extra money. Even better, buy your beef from local farmers where you can see what the cows are being fed. I also decided that eating all french fries diet although vegan, is a poor choice.

I'm not sure if this was covered in King Corn One note about big farm beef raising. Just because a label says its grass fed, doesn't mean its the quality you want it to be.

For example, a grass fed cow might still be fed a lot of corn, in addition to some grass. Never the less even a partially grass fed cow will yield superior meat then 100% industrial corn fed cow.

Sames goes for dairy. If the cow is being fed crap corn, its not going to produce top quality milk. Therefore, organic milk and milk derivatives are worth the money and local dairy even more so.

Pro Vegetarian and Vegan scholarly peer reviewed articles

I've been doing some thinking. The reason why I'm doing so much research and arguing so much isn't to convince people. Its an attempt to reduce my own fears about vegetarianism and vegan-ism. I've heard so many stories on the internet and testimonies against V &V.

Examples I heard on yahoo questions and from my friends were:

1. I see a lot of sick vegetarians
2. You need lean meat to build muscle mass
3. Don't do it, I heard in history class that we evolved to eat meat and something about early humans and neanderthals.
4. B12, your going to die w/o it.
5. I went vegetarian for a month, got really sick and then I ate meat and got better.

Each of these stories I've heard several times from random sources. In short, I had a lot of doubt when first attempting a vegetarian diet, and some still exists. Changing your diet isn't like a video game or DVD where you can just hit the reset button.

V+V Diners Spring into Summer!

I'm sure glad winter is over. Two pounds of cherries, one pound of blueberries, one watermelon slice, and three handfuls of spring mix for diner for me tonight.

Pro Vegetarian and Vegan scholarly peer reviewed articles

Thanks for the articles Ttrockwood. I could only read the full version of the middle article w/o paying money. Shows promise, I'll have to compare it to an anti-vegetarianism article or else I'll be practicing confirmation bias.

Pro Vegetarian and Vegan scholarly peer reviewed articles

I'm the type of person when I have a new idea I share it. I don't attempt very hard to apply the idea until I can convince someone else. This is partly so I don't do something stupid. I see it as running it by other people, or asking another party for their opinion.

As for vegetarian and vegan I haven't actually tried very hard, because for the life of me I can't convince others to go vegetarian and vegan.

I have spent probably over 300 hours reading books, magazines, listening to guest speakers, hanging out at vegan restaurants, and cafes. Yet, I can't seem to convince anyone to go vegan. Sure, other vegetarians and vegans will listen and agree, but they already agreed with me before I talked to them.

A lot of my friends want hard science. If I can't scientifically prove that vegan is superior to an omnivorous diet they can't be persuaded. The best scienfic book I could find is the China Study, yet I've heard from many sources it has been "debunked."

My vegan friends tells me just go vegan. That's not the way I work, if I can't convince others of my ideas, then either the idea or my argument must be low quality. If I can't convince others of my ideas it makes it hard for me to follow the idea.

The "Food Babe" Blogger Is Full of Shit

Found it in the OP's linked article:


The "Food Babe" Blogger Is Full of Shit

I looked for five minutes and couldn't find any mention of airplanes and nitrogen on Foodbabe's blog.

The "Food Babe" Blogger Is Full of Shit

The college professor who taught my weight training class is a PhD in Sports Psychology.

Here's the list of ingredients of a Twinkie provided by Hemi Weingarten Posted on June 11, 2010:

"Enriched Bleached Wheat Flour [Flour, Reduced Iron, B Vitamins (Niacin, Thiamine Mononitrate (B1), Riboflavin (B2), Folic Acid)], Corn Syrup, Sugar, High Fructose Corn Syrup, Water, Partially Hydrogenated Vegetable and/or Animal Shortening (Soybean, Cottonseed and/or Canola Oil, Beef Fat), Whole Eggs, Dextrose. Contains 2% or Less of: Modified Corn Starch, Glucose, Leavenings (Sodium Acid Pyrophosphate, Baking Soda, Monocalcium Phosphate), Sweet Dairy Whey, Soy Protein Isolate, Calcium and Sodium Caseinate, Salt, Mono and Diglycerides, Polysorbate 60, Soy Lecithin, Soy Flour, Cornstarch, Cellulose Gum, Sodium Stearoyl Lactylate, Natural and Artificial Flavors, Sorbic Acid (to Retain Freshness), Yellow 5, Red 40."


The "Food Babe" Blogger Is Full of Shit

You asked a fair question Auspicious. I am of the opinion that all artificial coloring is useless and might be bad for your health. I base this opinion on:

I. My college level weight lifting professor said so

A. When I took the class, gym teachers were fed up with being mocked as non-academic. Therefore, the class was divided 50/50 between academia and working out. There was a term paper and a written final exam.

B. What my professor said was that she wouldn't eat Twinkies because she couldn't understand the labeling. There was so many chemicals printed on the food label. My college teacher also said to avoid processed food.

II. I'm a food purist since about twelve years old

I questioned salt, pepper, ketchup, mustard, and other condiments from an early age. I wanted to taste mashed potatoes w/o the butter and with. I tasted the condiments just by their selves w/o the main dish.

Food coloring just doesn't seem worth it to me. On the other hand, I'm fine with other people using food coloring. I see my food coloring opinion as a personal preference and don't see the need to press my preference on others. In that way I disagree with Foodbabe.

is salt really heated to 1200 degrees F?

Thanks, for clarifying this salt dilemma. I knew all salts couldn't be the same, yet I lacked the knowledge to back up my idea.

We Feed the World Documentary by Erwin Wagenhofer

Watched some, its interesting.

I. The Good

I find the film informative and helps me as a chowhound make better food decisions. For example, if I decide to buy fish for me or my family, I don't want an industrial trawler doing the fishing. The fish are low quality due to the duration the trawler is out and the pressure. Instead, buy from small fishing boats for top quality fish.

II. The Bad

The film has the gory details that dissuades me from listening to the author. Unless, you like staring at lots of dead fish I wouldn't recommend this film. I see almost nothing positive about the film. Wagenhofer's documentary makes you feel bad in the helpless way.

Good luck trying to stop large scale corporate agribusiness. I've seen how occupy wallstreet did squat. Sames goes for protesters of puppy mills, Adult world, etc. People just walk right past the protesters and conduct their business anyways.

Why Diet Pepsi's Recipe Change Makes No Sense

According to Karyn Repinski

"1. Cut back on the sweet stuff in your diet.
It's not easy to eliminate sugar completely. Even whole grains, fruits, and vegetables turn to glucose—the type of sugar that fuels glycation—when digested. But limiting added sugar can help. "

I think the article is too generic about sweets. I have mixed feelings about this.

I like that the article is pointing out that whole grains turn to sugar. In elementary school I was brain washed into thinking that complex carbohydrates were the best. I now realize eating a bowl of rice is like eating a bowl of sugar.

On the other hand fruit when eaten in a natural state can be digested well and doesn't spike the blood sugar levels as high as the heavily processed equivalents.

For example in the film Simply Raw Reversing Diabetes in 30 Days one of the main characters talks about how orange juice spikes his blood sugar levels higher than anything else. Yet, the raw food served in the film was not causing the huge blood sugar spikes.

As I see it a fresh orange eaten whole is much healthier than a glass of machine pressed and pasteurized orange juice sold at the supermarkets.


Is it healthier to eat red meat in moneration or avoid it?

"sorry for citing high school dropouts as experts"

My college wouldn't allow a high school drop out to teach. As for Forks over Knives.

T. Colin Campbell, Ph.D
Caldwell Esselstyn, M.D.
John A. McDougall, M.D.
Neal D. Barnard, M.D.
Rip Esselstyn


Is it healthier to eat red meat in moneration or avoid it?

Observational science is a form of science.

" Kibble contains more calories than raw vegetables."

I never said I fed my pets raw vegetables. I feed my dog raw chicken drumsticks, hamburger, the occasional piece of fruit, and I let it chomp on grass and weeds. Dogs are practically identical on the inside to wolves. So a species specific diet of animal meat makes sense for a canine.

Let me explain in greater detail about obesity. In my freshmen level college nutrition class my professor explained that people are obese because they are hungry. When hungry we tend to binge eat on unhealthy foods. A lack of nutrition causes us to be constantly hungry.

If you watch the documentary Forks Over Knives, there is a detailed explanation of what causes hunger and what suppresses it. In our stomach there is receptors. These receptors look for two things:

1. Volume of food
2. Nutrition

When eating dense nutritionally devoid food like donuts and candy the receptors won't trigger. Without the triggering of the receptors we will be constantly hungry. When hungry our hunger instinct kicks in. Our hunger instinct is identical of that of rats. We crave fatty and sugary foods.

What this means in short is we will eat even more donuts, candy and junk food. Forks Over Knives refers to this as the "pleasure trap." How to solve this problem? Eat lots of nutritionally dense yet bulky in volume foods. This would be fruits, leafy greens, and vegetables for a human.

Another problem that Forks Over Knives doesn't cover to the best of my recollection is low calorie diets. Low calorie diets are doomed to fail because you won't get the volume of food you need. You will become hungry and binge eat on fatty and sugary foods. That said your better off eating a little bit too much then too little and then binge eating.

The above is why I can eat watermelon all day long, stuff myself, and still lose weight. Watermelon is very bulky, about 80% water.

This also explains why I can feed my pets raw meat and they lose weight. On a kibble diet they will beg for food incessantly until I cave and over feed them. You could force your pets to eat a set amount of kibble that would give them a steady weight.

From my observations this is mean spirited. The kibble has too little nutrition and is too dense. Meaning the pet will be constantly hungry. Also, its really annoying for the pet owner.

Another way to phrase this is satisfaction. The raw chicken is more satisfying for my pets then the kibble. As with me the watermelon is more satisfying then candy.

Why Diet Pepsi's Recipe Change Makes No Sense

I don't know why anyone drinks soda anyways. I can understand the young and naive. Yet, I see plenty of people of all ages continue to guzzle down soda and other unhealthy drinks. Even when I was young say about twelve years old I didn't drink as much as my peers.

I'm trying to draw upon my past experiences to remember a time when I drunk soda. I know I've been tired and just needed a quick buzz of sugar. Also, when I've been thirsty. Still you only need a few sips to quench your thirst or a buzz. Not the Big Gulps I've seen people buy and drink.

Its funny how I still have the same basic personality when I was little as now. Was somewhat of a food purist then and still am. Btw, my nutrition professor thought Splenda was awesome. This was when Splenda first came out.

Truth in Advertising?

I've never liked the taste of fish. Can anyone explain what a fish tastes like? To me it has no taste and its mouth feel is all icky. Is this the same experience everyone has, or is it just me?

May 08, 2015
Bottomless_Pit in Chains

Forbes: Why We All Talk About McDonald's

I agree with McDonald's food not being any good. As a child I never understood why MCD was so popular. I always liked the whoopers at Burger King better. Chick-fila has the best tasting fries. My one friend is always a one note song "lets go to McDonalds." Its annoying, I like variety.

Anyways if you know what to order MCD isn't so bad. I've never tried the salad, but it looks fine if you don't get the dressing. Oatmeal is healthy enough, and the apple slices are cheap and fairly good. Oh great, now I got a craving for MCD apple slices from typing this.

Why is MCD so popular, its cheap and its open long hours. So, don't expect MCD to go away any time soon. Meanwhile I recommend eating lots and lots of apple slices. Two packets for $1.

May 08, 2015
Bottomless_Pit in Chains

Who Is Winning the Fast Food Fight Online?

Why would response time be important? I don't even know what response time is. I'm surprised Chipotle is as popular as it is. I feel like I'm in a submarine every time I walk in there, all that stainless steel makes me want to run out of there.

May 08, 2015
Bottomless_Pit in Chains

McDonald's Has Revived the Hamburglar Because Nostalgia

I liked the old hamburlgar and this one too. I don't know how McDonald's pulled it off but he looks cool w/o looking scary imo (in my opinion).

May 08, 2015
Bottomless_Pit in Chains

Taco Bell vegetarian and vegan options

Just got a vegan bean burrito. They replaced the cheese with something called fresco or something. Anyways the difference in taste was negligible. Apparently taco bell can make any item vegetarian or vegan. Replacing the meat with something else, and the cheese with fresco.

I found this weird, but hey its nice to know I can eat vegan at Taco Bell. No extra cost btw.

May 07, 2015
Bottomless_Pit in Chains

Is it healthier to eat red meat in moneration or avoid it?

I think we are getting somewhere here. We both agree combustion is different then digestion. Clearly, this is not enough to dissuade you from using nutritional information on the back of cereal boxes.

I'm going to quote Arnold Kauffman from Arnold's Way. "The body wastes no energy on digestion." This quote is in reference to a raw vegan diet. The body has to spend lots of nerve energy on digesting a hunk of cooked meat. The body spends no energy on digestion on a raw vegan diet. This means the net gain from digesting a banana is higher than that of cooked meat.