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Chemical additives lurking in fresh cuts of meat

First off there is a difference. Lets take a look at another thread:

http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/1011...

According to RhonelyInsanediego there is a difference between Murray River Salt and Morton's table salt. Now if there is a difference between those two salts, imagine the difference between the salt from a celery plant vs Morton's table salt.

I find it reasonable to conclude that if there is a difference between salts, then there is a difference between synthetic and organic plant based sodium nitrite.

I decided to look up some information about sodium nitrite.

http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/sodiu...

"Normally, sodium nitrate in vegetables does not pose the same health risk as nitrites found in processed meat. The nitrites added to processed meats as preservatives and color enhancers can combine with proteins called amines to form compounds called nitrosamines. Nitrosamines have shown cancer-causing potential in animal studies."

Basically what I'm understanding is it's not the sodium nitrite itself nor the meat but the combination of the two. Sorta like how I learned in Chemistry and you probably did too that you can take two sweet smelling liquids add them together and get a foul smelling liquid.

Here's more info on nitrosamine:

http://www.raysahelian.com/nitrosamin...

Chemical additives lurking in fresh cuts of meat

You are right that there is a general lack of long term health studies. I like it that you don't automatically take a Harvard health professional's word for it. I still think there is health risks from eating processed meats.

Chemical additives lurking in fresh cuts of meat

I read the article again. You are right that the article states that vegetables contain nitrates, and our own bodies produce nitrites.

"Nitrites are so essential, in fact, that our bodies even create it on their own." Praderio

I'll take that last sentence as a compliment, thank you. I've done a little gardening and I remember something about nitrogen and peas. So, it doesn't surprise me that plants have nitrates.

Yet, here's the opening two sentences in the article:

"Conventional clean-eating wisdom has it that nitrates and nitrites are bad—really bad. Both are food preservatives added to processed meats like bacon that have been linked to gastrointestinal cancer and heart disease." Praderio

"When sodium nitrate interacts with bacteria in meat, it converts to sodium nitrite. Today, just about every manufacturer skips that bacterial conversion and just adds synthetic sodium nitrite directly to cured meats." Praderio

My conclusion is that eating whole plant foods like celery and leafy greens are beneficial. While consuming synthetic sodium nitrite is harmful.

That would explain both why nitrites relax blood vessel at the same time are linked with higher rates of disease. Synthetic sodium nitrite =! (does not equal) organic plant base sodium nitrite.

Sugar causes cancer!

Chemical additives lurking in fresh cuts of meat

Thanks for the article. I think there is a difference between sodium nitrite added to meats versus the nitrate in broccoli. I found the below very interesting:

"There is well-documented consensus that high consumption of processed meats can up your risk for heart disease, cancers, and death—no matter what preservatives have been added to them.)" Praderio

Chemical additives lurking in fresh cuts of meat

"A: We’ve all heard of products being labeled “artificially flavored” or “naturally flavored,” but I’m glad you are curious as to what exactly “natural flavor” means, because even with all the regulations and new organic certifications it’s a confusing and misleading mess! " Lempert

I'm glad I'm not the only who thinks "naturally flavored" is confusing.

As for MSG having to be spelled out, I'm not so sure. In Randall Fitzgerald's book page 105.

"
Quite often food labels will say "No MSG" or "No MSG added" when in fact MSG is present, piggybacking as part of other ingredients in the list. Sometimes MSG is hidden on the label under hydrolyzed vegetable protein or under natural meat tenderizer." Fitzgerald

If MSG can be hidden under another name, it makes me wonder what the full list MSG can piggyback on.

Found a list:
http://www.truthinlabeling.org/hidden...

Awesome, MSG can be under the "natural flavorings" guise according to the above link:

Table 2: "Any “flavors” or “flavoring”"

Chemical additives lurking in fresh cuts of meat

Chemical additives lurking in fresh cuts of meat

Neat never would have thought of gasses being added. Do you know if the Walmart ground beef natural flavoring tells you what the natural flavoring ingredients are is or just "natural flavoring" is printed?

Just checked Wegmans, it just says "Ingredients Turkey, Natural Flavoring. "

source: http://www.wegmans.com/webapp/wcs/sto...

So I have no idea what the ingredients of the natural flavoring are, could be MSG for all I know.

Sugar causes cancer!

I've heard females get more anger directed at them on the internet.

Chemical additives lurking in fresh cuts of meat

You are right thanks for pointing this out hill food.

Here's my problem with ham. We all know it "cured" yet the means of curing the ham have changed. I still think of ham as salt cured, yet that doesn't seem to be the case.

"Traditional dry cure hams may use only salt as the curative agent"

"Most modern dry cure hams also use nitrites (either sodium or potassium), which are added along with the salt, although following a similar methodology. The nitrites deliver a distinctive pink or red tinge to the meat, as well as imparting flavour. The amount and mixture of salt and nitrites used has an effect on the shrinkage of the meat."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ham

If I'm stuck in the mindset of "oh, its just salt" I'll unknowingly be consuming nitrites.

Chemical additives lurking in fresh cuts of meat

Reading the label isn't enough according to the article by Pooschke.

1. Some of the labeling is confusing.

"In many cases; however, you will find an entire list of chemical ingredients - yes, even in a simple steak. These chemical solutions are often referred to on the front of packages as "marinade," "broth" or "enhanced"; and they may contain hidden sources of MSG (monosodium glutamate). " Pooschke

2. Label-less meat can have chemicals added at the processing plant.

"Meat that is freshly-cut or wrapped at the butcher or grocery store most likely will not have an ingredients label, so it's even more imperative that you ask the butcher or the meat manager directly. Never assume that these meats are additive-free" Pooschke

Now if you saying the article is wrong, and that federal law protects us, then I'll have to find another source.

http://www.livestrong.com/article/441...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politic...

doesn't mention label-less meats, having trouble finding a 2nd source. Yet, does confirm that many meats do indeed have chemical additives.

Just cause I can't back up the article with a 2nd source doesn't mean it ain't true.

Next time I'm at at the supermarket I'm going to look at the steaks and see if there is a tiny label marked "broth" or "natural flavoring"

Chemical additives lurking in fresh cuts of meat

No the author doesn't tell us what the additives are in the unlabeled meat. She does state there may be MSG in steak, pork chops, chicken, ground chicken, and ground turkey. You'll find this info under "How to find additive-free meat" in the article.

I looked at the sources of the article. One problem is that the amount of info on these exact chemicals is limited. I can safely assume this is partly due to trade secrecy laws. I like the idea of capitalism, yet how can a customer make an educated decision when the information is concealed in order to protect the manufacturer?

Furthermore manufacturer's have special equipment to test the meat. As a layperson I don't see how I would know what chemicals were in my meat.

In other words I'm not sure these laws labeled as trade secrecy laws protect the trade secrets. Instead, they keep the layman in the dark. While competitors have the resources to extract the information, the layman doesn't. Feels like an enlightened form of Feudalism to me.

For more about trade secrecy and chemicals read the One Hundred Year Lie by Randall Fitzgerald.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=one+hundred...

Sugar causes cancer!

I was thinking the same, all cells cancerous or not use sugar. You could make the same argument for bacteria. Bacteria need sugar to live, thus lowering your sugar intake lowers dental cavities.

Yet, in the case in cavities some sugars the bacteria use better than your body. Others like xylitol bacteria can't use but human cells can. I wonder if the same could be said for cancer versus healthy cells. If one type of sugar cancer cells can absorb better than healthy and visa versa.

"Because the bacteria in the mouth that are causing cavities are unable to digest xylitol, their growth is greatly reduced."

http://xylitol.org/xylitol-uses/denta...

Sugar causes cancer!

Listened to some of the video sounds like a song about cancer.

Chemical additives lurking in fresh cuts of meat

I'm think the linked article is saying reading the packaging is not enough.

"If there is no ingredients list on the package, check for any mention of "broth, solution, marinade or enhanced" in small print on the front of the package. If there is neither an ingredients list nor any information listed on the front label, don't assume it's additive-free. Always ask the butcher or meat manager to be sure." Pooschke

Even no ingredient list meats may have additives. Sounds secretive to me.

Cooking for your dogs! Share your favorite recipes please.

I've heard of many "natural remedies" that can kill dogs/cats. For example natural oils are extremely effective at killing fleas and the host. :(

Just because something is natural or organic doesn't automatically make it safe. Falling rocks are natural, and they aren't safe. :)

Jun 27, 2015
Bottomless_Pit in Not About Food

Chemical additives lurking in fresh cuts of meat

Thanks for the replies, I wasn't sure if chemical additives in meat was true or not and didn't even hear of the concept into recently.

Simply Raw: Reversing Diabetes in 30 Days

I know the difference between correlation and causality. Two textbook examples are:

1. Crime and churches
2. Bread and criminal activity

Although there is a high correlation between the crime in an area and the number of churches there is no causation. The common factor is population density.

Most criminals eat bread within 24 hrs of committing a crime. Yet, that doesn't mean causality.

Simply Raw: Reversing Diabetes in 30 Days

Hahahhahaahahaa, sunshine842, have you read my above responses? Do you really expect me to take Big Pharm paid scientist's word? Let history serve as an example of why not to trust Big Pharm and other big industries:

I. The Constant Gardner movie

Based upon real events in Africa about drug companies exploiting the local populace.

http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/the...

II. Big Pharm crushed little pharm

Remember all those small independent ma and pa pharmaceutical companies like in the movie It's a Wonderful Life? They all got beaten into submission by much larger Pharmaceuticals who sold their products at a loss, which is illegal. Then after all the small pharm was out of business large pharm raised the prices dramatically.

III. Oil monopolies and other monopolies

Time and time again monopolies have used their vast power to charge high rates for bad service/goods. Big industry has proven itself to be untrustworthy. It is illogical given Earth's history to trust big industry including big pharm.

Simply Raw: Reversing Diabetes in 30 Days

I'm sorry ferret but you are just wrong here. Watch the film Healing Cancer from Inside out. Placebos are more effective than chemotherapy.

http://www.organiclifestylemagazine.c...

Simply Raw: Reversing Diabetes in 30 Days

As I see it any improvement in the condition is an effective treatment in my mind. A placebo might not completely cure the disease, but it is often better than nothing.

Placebo are a much better treatment option than many of modern medicines AMA approved treatments. For example chemotherapy is less effective then a placebo. Same with elective surgeries for chronic diseases.

Simply Raw: Reversing Diabetes in 30 Days

Placebos work:

"Sometimes patients given a placebo treatment will have a perceived or actual improvement in a medical condition, a phenomenon commonly called the placebo effect or placebo response. The placebo effect consists of several different effects woven together, and the methods of placebo administration may be as important as the administration itself."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo

Eat Shit, Vegans

Wow, B12 is complicated, no wonder I don't understand it still. Thanks for the story.

Simply Raw: Reversing Diabetes in 30 Days

Homeopathic remedies are just placebos and placebos work.

"All your "Big Pharma" conspiracy theory stuff can be pretty easily dismissed with a little thought experiment. The theory rests on the assumption that the vast majority of the scientific community can be easily cowed by large corporations tossing some money their way. Big Oil has a lot more money to toss around than Big Pharma does. If buying off scientists is so easy how have they not managed to shut them up about climate change?"

Its hard to silence people completely. There are many clinics that deviate from the AMA (American Medical Association) with positive results. Try acupressure, massage, meditation, etc. Just as Big Oil hasn't managed to shut up climate change neither has Big Pharm shut up non-drug/surgery treatments.

Either way its not like the climate change activists are winning landslide victories. 20% of the amazon rain forest has been cleared for livestock. Electric cars are still in the vast minority. Incandescent and CFL light bulbs are still on sale in the US despite LEDs being massed produced.

http://environment.nationalgeographic...

http://www.whokilledtheelectriccar.com/

The longer we delay, the more harm that will be done. Its only a matter of time until the allopaths are defeated. Yet, they can make a whole lots of profit in the meantime.

Simply Raw: Reversing Diabetes in 30 Days

Thanks for pointing out the difference between holistic medicine and homeopathy. I thought they were the same. We all have misconceptions floating around in our minds.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holisti...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy

"By 1900, there were 22 homeopathic colleges and 15,000 practitioners in the United States.[54] Because medical practice of the time relied on ineffective and often dangerous treatments, patients of homeopaths often had better outcomes than those of the doctors of the time.[55] Homeopathic preparations, even if ineffective, would almost surely cause no harm, making the users of homeopathic preparations less likely to be killed by the treatment that was supposed to be helping them."

If you look at homeopathic remedies, they are basically placebos. Placebos have been scientifically proven to work. Whether they be a sugar pill or homeopathic. The reason allopathic doctors saw homeopathic doctors as such a threat is that placebos worked better than blood letting and other allopathic remedies.

Allopathic medicine according to the film Healing Cancer from Inside Out uses poison to attempt to heal the patient. The film also shows different treatment options in comparison to a placebo. The placebo wins.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allopat...

Cooking for your dogs! Share your favorite recipes please.

"I don't understand your goal here."

My goal is to expand my knowledge and figure out what's the best diet for my dog, and then act upon that knowledge.

Jun 25, 2015
Bottomless_Pit in Not About Food

Cooking for your dogs! Share your favorite recipes please.

Alpo. I'm not kidding. I lost some respect for my vet that day.

Jun 25, 2015
Bottomless_Pit in Not About Food

Cooking for your dogs! Share your favorite recipes please.

I'm of the mind that being vegan may be better for dogs. I haven't made up my mind. I'm trying to increase my knowledge and find the truth.

Jun 25, 2015
Bottomless_Pit in Not About Food

Cooking for your dogs! Share your favorite recipes please.

Interesting that you brought up pesticides. When people look at a peach, they are often do I buy organic or not? Gee, one has pesticides and the other doesn't. Yet, when people look at a block of cheese, meat, or processed food like cereal, nobody seems to think about pesticides.

Due to bio-accumulation meats and dairy products have pesticides. Its easy, the grass is sprayed, then the cow eats the grass pesticides are now in the cow. Which now produces milk with pesticides.

Same goes with processed foods, the plants that form the food have pesticides. Processing the food doesn't magically remove the pesticides.

In short, meat ends up with both the pesticides from the plant and the chemical additives added to meat. As opposed to a plant diet that just has the pesticides.

Don't feel bad if you didn't think of this yourself. I didn't worry about pesticides in processed foods until someone else pointed it out to me.

Jun 25, 2015
Bottomless_Pit in Not About Food

Soylent: the protein powder Silicon Valley's techies just can't get enough of

At least people are eating healthier.