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YIKES-Another thread on tipping in france

Indeed.
For a thought experiment for all, what would you do if your actual friend was a server? In France or the USA since the customary tip is different, assume 0 and 20%.
Would you leave 40% tip for your friend in US?
20 a l' ami?
0 in the USA?
60%, 100?

I do not want to give or receive money from actual friends. If someone is desperate and you want to assist, a restaurant is not the place and the amount is probably not enough. It is faux charity in most cases but Americans are huge on this. They feel better about themselves as if they have solved some massive ill of the world. Oh, the poor waitperson, allow me to help you out. Given the quality of their work, they don't deserve more than their sub minimum wage very often. And a few do a very good job.

Rounding up the check in Paris is, obviously, not what I am speaking about.

Employer should pay wages(have bonuses, do whatever you like), customers should pay the bill, ie, the cost that was stated to them whatever that includes(service, high fives, food, drinks, dancing bears...). No shuffling of obligations, guilt trips, etc. all nonsense where the worst of the lot are usually the beneficiaries.

Nov 24, 2014
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YIKES-Another thread on tipping in france

That is the correct question.

And since it is, the answer is obvious and rhetorical.

It is always fascinating, maddening and mostly saddening to see whom people choose to pay for 'expert services'.
I just deleted a mini rant as most of the people on this board,especially the regulars, are not the problem.

Gargle has it right, done and done.

And I find far better service overall in countries that do not have tipping to 'induce' a worker to do their job. I am speaking of 1st world nations as one can make arguments about why this or that in 3rd world countries.

Nov 23, 2014
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Ducasse goes Vegetable friendly at the renovated Plaza Athéné

Reopening, rebranding, saving the world's resources(many hundreds of euros per meal at a time,that's the way to do it),otherwise known as new profit margins.
But now all those requests for vegetarian restos of quality will have another choice.
As long as they don't mind the size of the bill.

Sep 05, 2014
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SoPi recomendations

Please do not compare Tribeca with SoPi.
I think Noho was the last tolerable nickname but then with the Soha, etc. not so much. To put the overuse in perspective it has JUMPED THE SHARK. See? SOOOOOOOOOO played.Indeed.
The nickname , Tribeca, goes back much further than 15 years ago.You not knowing of it does not equate to any lack of significance. Been around and used by any NYers(or anyone) for much, much longer.
Also, Tribeca and Soho make sense for multiple reasons. The current trend of putting No or So in front of some other letters is obnoxious and stupid. We do not need to rename every 2 blocks in any city. Most neighborhoods have names and so do streets.

The French love developing Brooklyn(starting from Williamsburg, moving outward with the others). I hear them all over.Some aspects of their love I do not understand. Parisian hipsters are not equal to their American counterparts. This is a good thing. The biggest difference is the lack of ink in Paris. It is so nice not to see it. I have found it is such an eyesore that it lowers my quality of life.Also, Williamsburg is not so hipster any longer. Much as 'hipster' isn't hipster just a watered down version. Check 5 years ago and the wackiness was at least interesting enough to laugh or marvel at in some cases. Now you have to go to at least Bushwick(maybe borderline E Williamsburg or would that be EWill?) and can keep going east if you like though it is still hairy way out there. I do have my own nickname for Williamsburg amongst some friends and that is Billyburg. Open source license on that one.
And while some aspects of the food scene have improved greatly due to BK gentrification and hipsterism if Parisians will steal the nicknaming technique then send back some real food shops and restaurants to NYC. And the service for them in particular.
Example:Yeah, it's cool that you are selling nicely raised animals and all and not commercial horrors but you did not invent breaking down a carcass and I don't need the bloody attitude about it.Plus, I probably know more about your 'craft' than you do. This is typical BK.

Depending on the criteria used to claim that 'parts of Paris are like Brooklyn', overall, I would say there is not so much similarity. A few people wearing somewhat similar clothes does not make it so. The bones of Paris are far too different from those of the hipster now gentrified areas of Brooklyn to be clones. The land, architecture, etc. would not allow it. Again, I am thankful. Brooklyn is cool and some parts of the vibe are great for easy fun and I wear painted on jeans and all but I love Paris and do not care for it to become a worse version of Brooklyn.
I have been to many, many cities and observed the current 'hipster' populations of them all, lately, but none of them are extreme enough to represent properly. Personally, this rare breed was only from Brooklyn or Berlin. Everything else, fugazi. And now, as I said before, people think everyone who wears somewhat tight pants and some ink is a proper hipster but there is more to it than that.
There is much about the original hipster movement I do not care for(to put it mildly) but better than having every dope wannabe riding a skateboard around the city and causing problems because they have no clue what they are doing.
Also, more interesting and fun than the stroller set that invades the area.

Follow up note, I do not use Frisco(SF, usually,do I ever even say San Fran, I don't know) but I would say Philly if it were significant enough to ever come up in any of my conversations.

And now I have come upon the term 'biologically tanned leather'. Sounds like something someone in new Brooklyn might be selling. Will have to research.

Mar 31, 2014
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Famous French Chef Video Demonstrations Available

Not sure how many people are familiar with
greatchefs
DOT
the usual

but as a television show they have many episodes with some top notch French names. Perhaps nobody is interested or everyone knows of this but I figured I would post it regardless.
Most of them are in French with an English audio translation.

If you like cooking shows and the like these are by legitimate, quality people instead of the low level nonsense that is the norm these days.

I watched JP Hevin make some treats.

Mar 08, 2014
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Better spot on Grenelle?

Indeed, I am surprised at your admission but am glad of it.
I wonder if others will be so fair. Ducasse surprising a bit there as I see it.

And if you have an expense account involved there, I will be more than delighted to exercise it for you.
B model rather than starlette in tow.
And that moniker does not refer to any 'dimension' nor to quality/beauty. The A list is just far too difficult to manage.
Well, maybe if this is all on your centime.

Feb 01, 2014
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Want to avoid those pesky fellow Yankees?

Why the raves for awful businesses? People are rubes lacking standards, knowledge, taste, objectivity, sense, etc. I would say it more plainly but...

I just cannot understand why someone is asking the board to dumb it down. That world already exists with many recs and raves in other forums. Must we ruin everything? Eat like the in the knows of this board or eat like whomever from some other board. Is that unreasonable?

And as for comfort food, it might not work across cultures.
Many Americans consider anything beyond a chicken breast exotic. Crazy greens, game, offal, whatever which might be a part of some indigenous 'comfort food' will be anything but to the Wonder bread and Kraft singles crowd.
Paris is not the most extreme example but this problem might still occur.
You are going to Paris. Get over it. If you do not care for what is there, why go? But that can be said for most who make the trip, I suppose.

As has been discussed before, treatment of foreigners in Paris is mostly fine or better whether you are fluent in French or not. Is it perfect? No. Might you happen upon a rude Parisian? Yes. American service is mostly much worse.

Now, people are told 'if you act like a decent person you will be treated well' and those receiving this advice then respond that they were 'so polite' and were treated rudely.
Usually because their concept of proper behavior is completely ^&R#*R&@YYU&^. and they are not actually well behaved contrary to their beliefs and statements. So, in short, people are just delusional and not able to process information about themselves and their surroundings accurately. Combined with their ignorance== Yelp, TA, etc. insanity.

I do read Yelp reviews sometimes but never have been on TA(besides for hotels).
However, I did have an experience with TA restaurant rankings.
I was admonished by my friend for choosing a restaurant in Paris to fit some bill because it was the 3000th+ rated on TA. That restaurant, L'Ambroisie. We had a good laugh.

Want to avoid those pesky fellow Yankees?

Nobody should waste time going to Queens for Greek food.
Even if you are already there.

Nov 14, 2013
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A month in Paris!

The whiz kid bankers are only that in their own minds in Paris, whatever the bonus.
This does not mean I am begrudging you your own capitalist pig bonus, of course.

Entitled,selfish, narcissistic people are,unfortunately, plentiful and becoming more so.
Ruining dinners, train rides, any and every public space(and sometimes private) they curse with their presence.

Nov 14, 2013
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Debauve & Gallais chocolates

They are not the best and not half a whisker within the peak so why bother with such a lofty price?

I once bought a tablette from Chaudon and one of the almonds was still in the shell. It was about the same size as the average shelled almond but I almost broke my tooth on it. I was torn on whether to bring it back just to point it out since he charges a lofty enough price that mistakes such as this should not be tolerated without...well, a sincere apology or something. And maybe they would have but I never did bother and went back to my usual haunt.

Nov 10, 2013
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Best Pizza in Paris?

Greek pizza is a bit of a different beast from the Eyetalian varietals. I assume it was the native type you enjoyed. Interesting and a rare tout for this particular dish.

Also, Al Taglio is not great, it is not even good, it is 'meh' at best.

Oct 22, 2013
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David Lebovitz and the Eclair de Genie eclair find.

Equating eclairs with cupcakes is beyond insulting.
Cupcakes are trash in their finest form.
Sure, you can make a trash eclair but summit is one of truly dizzying heights.

Jul 14, 2013
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Anyone interested in a Jacque Genin Pre Order for this Weekend plus.....

I'll eat mine before the rain ruins it.

Have a small window today so which items are you interested in?
I might be able to squeeze a trip by the shop and order. Not sure if you can just call in but that would be great.

Let me know if you like and we shall see where it leads us.I'm a bit hesitant to have a 4 person dessert with all the other things I have to eat tomorrow.

Jun 22, 2013
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Anyone interested in a Jacque Genin Pre Order for this Weekend plus.....

Now I'm not sure.

I think it was for splitting up a large pastry or something.
Unfortunately, even if this happens, the outdoors do not seem as if they will be the place to enjoy it this weekend.

Jun 21, 2013
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Anyone interested in a Jacque Genin Pre Order for this Weekend plus.....

Parigi, pastrychica, whomever,

There is still a chance since I am still in town.Not quite as gung ho since I have partaken in a bit but am open to the possibility. But would have to put the order in by Saturday as Sunday is last day for me to eat this.And if not, best of luck acquiring your own.

Jun 21, 2013
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One month in Paris - a few questions

The responses have you covered nicely. And true you really have no 'need' to leave your area. I will probably go to the Bastille market on Sunday. For much of the weekend, I usually go all around Paris to food shops and markets if you want a partner in crime.I am no Parnassien(or others) but I have stayed in Paris for months before and mostly know what I am doing regarding my own goals. I do ride velib everywhere and walk the rest.Hopefully, the weather is tolerable.Seems the grandeur I brought with me for last weekend is no more.
Also, nice one thinking to bring the ugly American to a restaurant you don't already have an affinity for.

Jun 13, 2013
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Paris Report

Thanks for the tip, successful trip today. Monsieur was more helpful than the service at Dubois. Sure I went to the latter on Saturday at the idiot mob hour but I demonstrated enough that I should be receiving better help. Usually, it is quite proper but not this time. Hopefully, this is not par for the course.

Jun 09, 2013
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Four young women in Paris on a budget

Or they can take the majority of my J. Genin pre order action and be full and high on sugar for awhile.
25€ per should cover it.
Maybe.
Joking.
Maybe.

Jun 09, 2013
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Anyone interested in a Jacque Genin Pre Order for this Weekend plus.....

You have to order a day ahead for the multi person items. There is a post that should be up to date by RandyB in a recent Genin thread.
There is no PM function on this crap site? Brilliant.
Email me, username, gmail if you like.

Jun 06, 2013
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Anyone interested in a Jacque Genin Pre Order for this Weekend plus.....

I've eaten it too many times to report. Unless I have something new, then maybe.

Jun 06, 2013
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Paris Report

Thought it might be Sunday only.
I will surely find it if I make it there, thanks.

Jun 06, 2013
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Anyone interested in a Jacque Genin Pre Order for this Weekend plus.....

I think/hope I am sorted for a new pad next week but thanks to both.
Parigi, if you are back by 15th, let me know and we can order.
And if you are still knee deep in tapas and txakoli, I will pastry on alone.

Jun 06, 2013
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Paris Report

Sorry, I just saw this reply. I knew I would have to ask about your cheese spot in Bastille. I got there as half of everything was closing(1315hrs,seriously,thought I was good until 1330).
Is it in the west most or center of the 3 aisles? I found one that seemed about right but was center on Beaumarchais side of that. Relatively large, staffed by youngish Arabs had quite a few high end Basque type on the left though I didn't see Ptit and everything was quite high in price. Then I thought, maybe your guy is only on Sunday, not Thur. Also, any other exact recs are welcome because while I know a little about a little,I do not branch out so much because the chance for disaster is too high and I am no cheesemonger.Maybe I should have emailed you but maybe this is share worthy if you reply.

Jun 06, 2013
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Anyone interested in a Jacque Genin Pre Order for this Weekend plus.....

At first,I thought you were beating me with the facetious stick but then I thought not, you are too much of a lady for that. But now I am leaning back the other way or at least undecided.
I should be given carte blanche food and lodging of my choice in Paris for this weather I have brought. Certainly more than most officials and many other have done, no?
Since you are the only one to reply, you are missing nothing though I will not deliver to Barca. I may just do a millefeuille. A '2 person' version is an easy ask. And Barca is hardly somewhere such that I can gloat from far, far above though for pastry and dessert, I can. Enjoy and there will be this and next weekend for Genin if you are interested(and actually not besmacking me with said stick). And he is open on Sundays now, so VOILA, I am sorted for the weekend.

Jun 06, 2013
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Anyone interested in a Jacque Genin Pre Order for this Weekend plus.....

I will be going around to shops for cheese, bread, pastries, etc. on the weekend. I do know my way around those well enough if anyone needs a hand or just wants to hang.
Genin pre order for everything is for 4 or more(except the millefeille) according to RandyB(thanks for the info) and while I am sure I literally could eat 12 persons worth, I have other items to stuff as well and I would like to sample a variety.

Anyways, just a pseudo open invitation. To natives, be thankful, I brought you much improved weather.

And if anyone gives me a tip to a simple and cheap flat to rent from next week beyond my current reservation, then I will bring the treats to you.
Well, whatever I don't eat.
HA!

Jun 05, 2013
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Paris Report

I was going to respond about the pricing exactly the same.
But you are wise and rational in your approach.
Even at 46€/kg, and current fx, it comes to about 28USD/lb which is where I assume Oferl is from.
Honestly, for a shop with top rep in the big rent district in the city of Paris for cheese that has been aged, this price is hardly unreasonable.
To me, what is outrageous is basically every cheese being 25/lb at the minimum(and more like 28-35) in every farmers' market in the US. Their costs are not higher and their products are not superior so, I cannot abide. The pretense of selling some cheese of the gods is too much along with the undertones that the prices are break even for them if you ask the question.
So Oferl,28 as the most expensive in the shop(I think the aged comte is at Dubois) in comparison should make you feel better now when you realize you are not spending any more than you usually do in the US if you buy the 'fancy', 'local', whatever.

May 15, 2013
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Paris Report

Unfortunate we will not cross paths. How many months is the oldest comte, currently? No need for Italian cheese in Paris. And once one has the prices they might be obtained for in Italy(or even the US if you know the right importer which is almost none but still)in your mind, it just cannot be done. At least by me.
I am sure I will be a moron with location and have to ask you more specifically for your cheese guy at Lenoir but thanks.It is such a crap shoot and I never had the patience to go through every stall at every market.What is his price for petit basque if you recall? I do love to compare.
I found fab chorizo though.Imported Spanish, relatively cheap and no junk unlike even Oteiza. That is in the 'boonies' of Paris proper though where I often am. Soup and Pti were impressed enough.
And about that morbier you rate amazing. You said it is very aged but any other difference to describe the taste from a more usual morbier? Soup had one that I tried and it was awesome.The catch is that I don't like morbier much(and he said he did not either) but this was great, very, completely(to me) unlike morbier. Not very 'bleu' in taste which was a positive for us.Then I went to Dubois(SGP shop where he got his) within 2 days, tried what they had and that was the usual type morbier that I dislike. Maybe you have some pointers to get me back to the morbier I enjoy. But there is plenty of fine cheese without it.Wonder if Monoprix still has that cheap and good cantal that was on sale half the time for 8€.Great find for being downstairs from my flat.
You are leaving, Soup will not be around, I am left to my own devices.

May 15, 2013
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Paris Report

Indeed I did that double often.
Ecuador is the favorite of one of the most notable and esteemed posters(obviously, not me).
What are the prices at Dubois now? Last I was there, most of the more expensive were 27-31, I would say, with a couple at 33€ for those by the kilo.

May 15, 2013
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Paris Report

Well, of course, you need to add another 9 € bar to your basket.
Cannot believe they don't take plastique under 20. I went there a lot and usually did not buy more than 2 at a time. Guess I paid cash. I would at least remember being rejected with a card if it had happened.
Was the milk choco that good? I never sample it anywhere feeling, why bother? Are you in Paris in June? We can split a bar or three if you like.

Oferl, not sure why but you have been missing out, indeed.
What I find exceptional about Roger is the quality of nuts. Fresher and better texture than when buying 'good' nuts almost anywhere.
And have only had bars, what else is there?

May 15, 2013
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Vegetarian + lactose intolerant in Paris?

Passard, yes, you are absolutely correct. Thank you for finding and correcting. My apologies for brain fog. Perhaps I was musing about another post on Gagnaire but that is no excuse.

Mar 11, 2013
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