Sounds great, cheers for the report. Going to have a read of that other thread you linked to right now. Added it to the list though :) Thank you!
I really like the look of Louro's menu. And they take reservations! Will show it to the rest of my party :) thank you!
Thanks, Bob! We'll probably head over there quite early. I actually bought my brother some pre-ordered brisket (3lbs worth) for his birthday. I've heard pretty good things but even if it's not the best around, it's still reasonably likely to be better than anything you can get in London...
sgordon, this is absolutely brilliant. Thanks so much. Genuinely going to print this out or something, so much good stuff here. Problem is, you've made my decisions a lot harder :P Just kidding, not really a problem at all.
I thought pasta tasting was the way to go at Babbo, for some reason, but both you and Kathryn have said a la carte is the best option so we're almost definitely going to do that.
Pok Pok Phat Thai looks really good, that's a great option, so thanks for that. I think you're right to say that we'll probably be too tired for a huge meal after our flight, so something real close and casual like Pok Pok would probably work.
Savored is pretty cool, gonna give that a more in-depth look tonight.
BTW we're pretty much coming over for Wrestlemania... Been wanting to go for close to twenty years now and we'll finally be able to! Can't wait.
Thanks again, really appreciate the reply and you taking the time to write it!
Intriguing. Unfortunately they haven't got availability on the 5th of April so that's out of the picture, but I'm gonna keep a look out to see if we should be eating there on another night (depending on availability, of course)
Kathryn, thank you very much! Great help, as ever. Every year :)
Just to clarify, the anniversary dinner would be $150pp - about $300 all in. Willing to stretch to about $400 total for the meal. Not $150 all in!
Thanks for pointing out Minetta is closed on Mondays. Pointed that out to my brother but still had it written down for some reason. Have booked it on the Thursday lunch now, and we'll find something else for lunch on the Monday.
Is the large format chicken meal at Ma Peche better than the Noodle Bar chicken dinner, would you say? Read up on it and its nods to the midtown halal carts intrigues me. Plus I love the halal cart at 53rd and 6th! I think it's either Ma Peche, sticking with Noodle Bar or just going to Mad For Chicken and getting 60 wings and some beers.
BTW, do you know anything about the Kappo meal at Ma Peche? I've tried searching but couldn't really find out much about it.
That's a good point, thanks for that, Sneakeater. Just had a look at pictures of Perla and I can see what you mean. Ko's counter service would suit us fine, I reckon - we're not desperate to look into each other's eyes anymore ;)
Hey NY Chowhounds. It's time for my annual thread on the Manhattan board asking you incredibly helpful people for a bit of dining advice. Me and three others are coming over at the end of this month (31st March) and will be in NYC until 9th April.
We're staying in an apartment in the Lower East Side, on Rivington Street, and I think we're likely to stick to lower Manhattan for most of our eating.
I've got a vague idea of where we'll be eating on most days, but there are a few gaps and a couple of spots where I'm unsure what we should go for, which is where you guys come in. Our budget is pretty high and we prefer relaxed places to stuffy and formal restaurants.
Here's what we have in terms of an eating schedule so far:
SUNDAY 31st MARCH
Arrive 1905pm at the airport - we'll go to our apartment at around 9pm, from past experience
Somewhere in Lower East Side for dinner - Katz's Deli? We're big fans of the place so we thought we might as well go on our first night as it's close to where we're staying. Unless there's somewhere near our apartment that would be better for dinner (we're staying on Rivington St, between Clinton and Ridge)
MONDAY 1st APRIL
Lunch - Minetta Tavern - I know some people find the burger gimmicky but I think everyone in my group agrees it's the best burger they've ever tried. I need to have it at least once a year...
Dinner - Babbo (booked for 4 people, 8pm) - pasta tasting menu
TUESDAY 2nd APRIL
Lunch - Parm - their sandwiches look pretty good and we're fans of Torrisi Italian Specialties
Dinner - Momofuku Noodle Bar - Chicken dinner (6 people, 6pm) - this is something I wanted to get opinions on. A friend of mine recently had the chicken dinner and said it was pretty bad. He actually encouraged me to cancel the reservation and go eat somewhere else... Now I'm not sure what to do. I've been wanting to try it for a long time and I'm a massive fan of Noodle Bar and Ssam Bar, and I love fried chicken. Should we stick with it or go somewhere else as a group of six? Any recommendations?
WEDNESDAY 3rd APRIL
Lunch - Momofuku Ssam Bar - duck lunch - we had this last year and really enjoyed it. My brother wants to go there again, I'm not too fussed...
Dinner - Briskettown/Delaney Barbecue - looks really good and we all love brisket
THURSDAY 4th APRIL
Dinner - Empellon Cocina
FRIDAY 5th APRIL
I need a recommendation for an anniversary dinner on the Friday night. Ideally it would be somewhere quite relaxed, not too difficult to book and no more than around $150pp (after tax and tip, with drinks). Does such a place exist? Right now I'm thinking Momofuku Ko, if I can get a reservation, but is way over budget, although I wouldn't mind for a particularly great meal. Otherwise, I was thinking of Perla, Gotham Bar and Grill or Union Square Cafe... Thoughts?
SATURDAY 6th APRIL
Lunch - We'll probably head on over to Smorgasburg, it's always a pretty fun day out
SUNDAY 7th APRIL
Dinner - we're going to the MetLife Stadium so I think we'll have to grab something there. I presume the options aren't great?
LATE NIGHT SNACK?
MONDAY 8th APRIL
Dinner - we're off to the Izod Center so similar to Sunday night, grabbing something in the stadium or near Penn Station
TUESDAY 9th APRIL - 2115 flight to London
Dinner - probably something in the airport
Minetta Tavern, Gramercy Tavern, Mile End Sandwich, Parm, Russ and Daughters, Momofuku Ssam lunch, Momofuku Noodle Bar fried chicken, Empellon Cocina, The Breslin, St Anselm, East Village crawl - (This Little Piggy, Mark sliders, South Brooklyn Pizza, Luke's Lobster, Caracas Arepa Bar, Big Gay Ice Cream), Clinton Street Baking Co, Shopsin's, Meatball Shop, JG Melon, Mighty Quinn's, Perla, Il Buco Alimentari, Mission Chinese Food
For reference, here are the threads I've started before:
Just remembered a couple of places I forgot to talk about:
Momofuku Milk Bar
We went to the EV location a few times and we all really liked it. Soft serves are pretty good, but for me the cake truffles are what I liked most. Really enjoyable little treats.
My brother went by himself to pick up a couple of bottles of the hot honey, and also had a Hellboy pie while there. Said it was on a par with Motorino for him. He brought back a slice for me and it held up reasonably well. Must visit properly next time.
Russ and Daughters
Got the pastrami cured salmon with regular cream cheese in a bialy. The bialy was way better than the bagels they have, so thanks Kathryn for that suggestion. Lovely breakfast.
My girlfriend has some pictures of New York itself and of food we ate in her Flickr stream, if anyone is interested in having a look: http://www.flickr.com/photos/8769083@...
I am jealous like you wouldn't believe, Pan :) Thanks for the kind words.
That Hill Country chicken does look fantastic! Next time...which will be fairly soon, hopefully!
I didn't even know you could order burgers rare at Shake Shack. I will give it one more shot and I'll be sure to specify rare :) Thank you
Hey guys, I'm back in London after my trip now and I thought I'd give you a rundown on where we ate and my/our thoughts. First of all, I'd like to thank every single one of you once again for the suggestions and discussion. I came back to this thread numerous times during our stay in NYC, it really helped.
This is in roughly the order we ate at the places:
Momofuku Ssam Bar
We went a couple of times. First time was an evening visit. Immediately sat down at a three-top despite there being a pretty long queue and list of twos and fours waiting for a call-back, which was quite nice. We ate: crab claws (decent; harissa mayo was surprisingly bland); scallops (good flavour, liked the yuba); uni (really delicious); steamed buns (fattier than I remember, made me feel a bit queasy if I'm honest); BBQ bun (preferred this bun, though the coleslaw had an odd flavour...mine is better); bok choy in XO (good stuff); soft shell crab (didn't enjoy this dish despite loving soft shells, but I can't quite remember why...); veal sweetbreads (decent, not enough sauerkraut for me though); grilled trout (tasty, quite garlicky). Also, I had a cocktail called a ramp brine 2012 which was kinda like a Gibson, which I thought was absolutely vile. Had a sip and couldn't drink anymore. Strange, because I quite enjoy Gibsons and martinis.
Our second visit was just before we went to catch our flight, for lunch. We all got the duck lunch. Wow... Crispy skin, delicious and tender flesh. Enjoyed wrapping up a slice in the pancake with hoisin and fried shallots. I'm not a huge eater but thought the portion could have done with being slightly bigger. Also, at the risk of sounding petty: my brother got nine slices of duck while I only got seven! :)
Torrisi Italian Specialties
Visited for lunch. Really quiet restaurant - more people came in to ask if they were in Parm than actually dined in the restaurant during the two or so hours we were eating there. I'm guessing it's a lot busier for dinner, but it's strange because by my reckoning, this is seriously stunning food. A really fantastic restaurant in general. The service is brilliant, the all-American wine list I understand some aren't too fond of but I liked what I drank, and thought it was decent value by the glass. We ate: warm mozzarrella, asparagus in sour, italian sausage pate, spring vegetables and cod roe in rice; sea shells with octopus and potato; black sea bass; cookie plate. My brother and girlfriend went for the lamb as a main. Apparently they have menu supplements during dinner and I've also heard about the 20-course tasting menu. I must go back for it... One of the very best NYC restaurant experiences I've had. Really loved it, in case you can't tell.
East Village food crawl, as suggested by Kathryn with slight tweaks:
- Roast beef slider from This Little Piggy Had Roast Beef (delicious)
Can't really remember, but definitely tried the doughnuts and the smoked brisket from the place with the stupidly long line. Also fried anchovies from Bon Chovie, which were pretty good.
Amor y Amargo
LOVED this bar, despite simmering to a sweaty mess in the tiny space with no air conditioning. Gin and tonic was amazing and the house negroni was also very good. Would visit again.
This place didn't have air conditioning either. Thought the pretzel was quite good, but the fried chicken was slightly disappointing. The exterior was plenty crunchy and nice tasting, but the chicken flesh itself was pretty tasteless. I make better fried chicken.
Seemingly the only place a short walk away that took reservations and had availability the night before via Opentable. We ate: breakfast sausage benedict (me), chocolate French toast, eggs rancheros, baked egg whites. Good stuff. Funny thing: ran into our server from Torrisi there, who we had a good chat with after he spotted and approached us. Don't mean to go off point but that would almost never happen in London... He ended up inviting us to go to Roberta's in Brooklyn with him but unfortunately we couldn't make it, which was a shame.
Booker and Dax
I drank a gin and tonic and gin and juice. Both great and I liked that they were served in flutes. We also shared some Benton's ham and shiitake buns. GREAT ham, really good buns. Probably my favourite bar of this ilk in NYC.
Mile End Sandwich
Picked up a few sandwiches to take to the park and eat. I had beef on weck, which was ok. My girlfriend had the smoked meat, which was good but seemed particularly tiny. Not sure. We've been to Mile End in Boerum Hill and preferred it to the sandwich place.
Thought this place was better than Fette Sau, Daisy May's and RUB, which we've visited on previous occasions. We ate: lean brisket, moist brisket, pork ribs, beef ribs, sausage, beef shoulder, corn bread, beans, mac and cheese. Lean brisket was probably the best item, but the beef ribs were also good.
Roberta's pizza stall at Madison Square Eats
South Brooklyn Pizza
Eleven Madison Park
Excellent meal, but I'll say this: I thought the service and the drinks were both better than the food. While good, it wasn't quite as mind-blowing as I was anticipating. I started with hamachi, which was sliced sashimi style and topped with shaved horseradish. Pretty simple, really good ingredients though, of course. Next I had cobia which was poached with mushroom and garlic, topped with pine nuts (paired with an incredible Rioja). Then I had beef, roasted with wood sorrel and potatoes. Very good beef, with some fantastic little bits of bone marrow dotted on the plate. Dessert was a malt sorbet with peanuts, pretzels and Dijon. Outstanding dessert. I find it hard to criticise, which it sounds like I might be doing when I'm speaking about the food, but it felt like there was something missing. Like I said, the service was unbelievable, while the wines paired with the food were wonderful. I came away thinking more about the little extras (black and white cookie - savoury and sweet versions, egg cream, even the bread) more than the four courses I had selected. An unforgettable meal, nonetheless.
Van Leeuwen ice cream
Once again, a big thank you. Thanks for reading through all of that too, if you managed it. Sorry it was so long. Until next time :)
That's a very good idea, thanks von_levi. I agree with you about pastrami sandwiches being more of a lunch food. Think we'll shift Katz's from its dinner spot to our last lunch.
We definitely won't miss Big Gay Ice Cream. Looks fantastic, and everything on the menu sounds ridiculous - in a good way.
A lightbulb just went off thanks to your post, BrettLove. I've got a prepaid cellphone from a couple of years ago. I wonder if it still works... Good call, thanks!
Thanks MVNYC. I reckon we'll try the one on Broome Street and might share a sandwich from Nicky's if we have time.
Sorry, just realised how silly that question about Ippudo was. I blame looking at information about TV show tapings and their queuing systems at certain times...
That monte cristo sounds excellent. Thanks once again :)
Thanks a lot :) How does Nicky's compare to Banh Mi Saigon on Grand Street? We went there when we were most recently in the city and enjoyed it. Is Nicky's better?
Thanks a lot sam1, that's really helpful.
I actually agree with you to an extent about Crif Dogs. We went before and I thought it was alright...but my brother really wants to try the bar and the hot dogs available there (like the Wylie Dufresne dog).
Joe's pizza is a place we go to every time we come to the city. We like the slices there. I've heard South Brooklyn Pizza in the EV is good for a slice - thoughts?
Yeah, Redhead was chosen because I saw it on Diners, Drive Ins and Dives (guilty pleasure) and you're right, we don't really have anything even close to that in London. Looking at reviews of Bobwhite Counter, which Kathryn mentioned, and it looks quite good. Might be a toss-up, but I'm leaning towards Motorino for our first night dinner.
Thanks for the list of bars, too. I was meaning to ask for places that weren't just houses of mixology, or whatever, as I like bars like the ones you mentioned and the cocktail places. Really, I just want a good gin and tonic and I'm happy...
Wow, thanks a lot, Kathryn :) That's amazing. A lot to consider... a lot to take in. Do you know what time Ippudo start taking reservations from on the day?
Just asking my pals about moving Minetta to the Sunday, their brunch menu looks great. Plus I do really want to go to Shopsin's, so that could work on the Thursday. I've chickened out about six times now... Though, actually, thinking about it my brother really wants to try the French dip sandwich at Minetta so that could be another weekday lunch somewhere.
I think Prune on Sunday for brunch is probably our best bet? Enjoyed reading Gabrielle Hamilton's book, so would like to visit.
Hello NY Chowhounds.
I'm coming over in a couple of weeks (arrive on 23rd and leave on 31st May) with my girlfriend and my brother and I'd appreciate some help with our eating schedule/list.
Just a few things to note/questions:
- We're aged between 23-25 so we tend to lean towards places with a younger crowd but feel comfortable dining anywhere
- We're staying on East 2nd street, between 1st and 2nd
- We don't really have budgets - we've booked a few lunches at higher end/more expensive places (see below) as it seems the best value for money. We'll keep it more casual at night generally
- It's Memorial Day Weekend while we're there. What sort of effect does this have on restaurants in the city generally? Emptier? Do they close for the weekend? Any change at all?
- This might sound a silly question but… Can anyone explain Russ and Daughters, please? I have been there before and am planning on going again, but would like an outline of how it generally works. The one time we went we just went up to someone and asked for a lox bagel, which was pretty good - the fish and other components were very nice, but the bagel was pretty poor. Are you encouraged to try different slices of fish and then make a decision? What should we get if we dislike the bagels they use?
- The first night we'll want to stay reasonably close to the apartment we're staying in as we'll probably be quite tired. Redhead looks a good option. Thoughts?
- We've been to Momofuku Ssam Bar before and enjoyed it about two years ago. Is it still good for dinner? We're aware of the duck lunch, which looks fantastic, but dinner might be our best option.
- We're staying reasonably close to Clinton Street Baking Co., Prune and Shopsins, and are anticipating a wait at all three. Which is the most comfortable wait out of those three? Or is there somewhere else close-by to get pancakes etc. that isn't quite as packed as these?
- We won't actually have working phones apart from for wi-fi use. I know some places take your number down and call or text. Is there any way around this if you don't have a phone?
- Which bars should we be drinking at? I've seen mentioned: Angel's Share, Please Don't Tell, Death and Company, WD50 bar. Other good ones?
23rd May (date of arrival - evening)
Other places we've seen and are interested in:
Thanks in advance :)
Ah, disappointed to hear that. I've actually read similar reports since it opened. Seems generally people who went in the first week or so had some decent food coming out, but since then it's gone a bit off the boil already?!
Agree about the layout of the place. It's pretty uncomfortable. I think most people take out, which is what they were perhaps expecting.
So you didn't actually try the paella? Maybe it's just me, but it seems a bit pointless to bash them on this thread in that case...
I was there last week.
It was pretty good. A bit disorganised (didn't know what the deal was with getting a table, where to order from, who worked there and who didn't; turns out you find your own seats and then order at the counter). It's not a big place and can therefore feel a bit cramped during the lunch rush, but I think it's worth a visit.
We had salt beef (£8.50 for a sandwich, Brass Rail prices). Good beef, decent enough bread, very, very good pickle. Still doesn't beat BK Salt Beef Bar in Edgware for me (which does a bigger sandwich for half the price) but it's a promising sandwich for sure. Unfortunately didn't get to try the pastrami out but from the sounds of it that is the thing to get. Their chef has actually been brought over from NYC, so they're taking their curing and smoking very seriously.
We also tried the hot dog. Decent enough, one of the better all-beef hot dogs I've had in London. Pretty similar to the hot dog at Katz's from what I can remember.
Also had kugel. In all honesty I don't know if it was good or bad kugel because I've never tried it before but it was pretty tasty.
No fried chicken on the menu from what I can remember. More cured meats and matzoh ball soup etc.
You mean Izakaya-type food?
Asakusa in Mornington Crescent is very good for this: http://cheesenbiscuits.blogspot.com/2...
Admittedly, the takoyaki isn't to my liking (my comment on that blog post suggests as much!) but it's a really great place. Worth a visit.
It was actually the lovely Banh Mi 11 ladies - http://www.banhmi11.com/
Broadway market in Hackney on Saturdays, Chatsworth Road market on Sundays. It's a really good stall.
Just to echo what everyone else said, great pics and write-up!
Out of interest, do you remember what was on the lunch tasting menu? Anyone had any experiences with the tasting menu at lunch?
Thank you very much for the feedback uwsister, it's really helpful :)
From the sound of it, I think I'll prefer the CT style lobster roll...
Good point about RUB. I think Fette Sau will be out and RUB will go in its place. I mean, the only reason I wanted to try Fette Sau again is because I've seen a few people suggest it's (*easily*) the best BBQ in NYC...i thought I just didn't get it. Will give RUB a go though :)
Haha, I had some White Castle sliders a couple of years back for the first time...never again.
I think you're right about Prosperity Dumpling. I just love the cheapness. I can't get enough.
Ah, thanks for the heads up!! Would never have guessed that...or even thought to check. That's brilliant to know. The itinerary is definitely still workable. I've been following Paulie Gee for a couple of years - ever since noticing his comments on Slice, so I think I'll have to pay him a visit. Looks like a great operation.
Thanks Silverjay! Might try and catch Red Hook Lobster Pound at Smorgasburg, which would free up a lunch - or I could use it to go to Luke's and compare the two. How exciting.
What's the problem with the Momofuku ramen broth?
Cheers for the excellent reply sgordon :) That's really helpful.
WD-50 is definitely in the running for one of our meals - especially after reading reviews on here and also from just hearing so much about Dufresne. The place seems to polarize people though, and it seems that it's the sort of place that people love or hate. It also seems that a lot of chefs absolutely can't get enough of the place, but some diners feel like they're being subject to a science experiment. Also, I read Kathryn's recent review and I get the feeling that going a la carte may be a shrewd move?
I visited Vanessa's and Propserity last time I was in the city, actually...I think I preferred Vanessa's too, especially for the sesame pancake, haha. Not sure why I put down Prosperity instead!
I agree with Chang that authenticity is overrated...plus I can't get enough of those Momofuku pork buns. I think Ippudo is still in the lead, though - a lot of people seem to love it, even Yelpers (*gulp*)
Apologies for the lobster roll assumption! Will have to try CT style for sure!