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LAKSHMI BAZAAR (West San Jose) prepared indian foods

Hey, has anybody been to this Indian Grocery in a small strip mall on MOORPARK just off LAWRENCE EXPY?

They have a number of North Indian dishes in the fridge in entree sized portions [about 1.25lbs] for $6.99veg/$7.99non veg.

The GOAT CURRY was really, really good and a very good deal for the amount of meat you get ... much more than any of the similarly priced "dive class" restaurants [Pakwan/Shalimar/Nan+Curry), and the "gravy" is quite good ... I've had more refined cooking at at say $13/entree places but unless I was looking for the white table cloth resto dining experience, this is a better option for me.

The BUTTER CHICKEN wasnt that good ... edible, but it gets old about half way through ... while when it came to get goat curry, I got up in the middle of the night, took it out of the fridge, reached into the container and ate some more standing there in the dark. I will be in the area on Monday and will probably buy 3 containers.

The BEGUN BHARTA was also quite good. Waaaaaay better than say LAHORE KARAHI. The ALOO-GOBI was decent ... let's call it third place among the stuff I tried, taste-wise. My Mom (Indian) liked it more than I did. But perhaps the least unhealthy item I bought (the cooking is a little oilier than home cooking, but not as oily as many of the desi restos). I talked her out of getting one of the OKRA/BHINDI items, but we probably should have tried one (often i've gotten over aged okra ... what is the term in english for an over aged vegetable ... not one that is slimy/rotten but kinda dried out? dessicated seems too fancy).

Per the three YELP reviews, the service is a bit surly, but who cares. It's just the cashier. Somewhat amusingly, it gets 2 starts on the Yelp.

The JILIPIS/JELABIS are better than what I've had from a number of restos. Although perhaps some of the sweet specialists are better.
The LADOOS are decent, but those are not a personal favorite.

The samosa were pretty good. I think a friend of the family brought over some previous that batch was better than the three I bought on this visit. Chutneys were ok.

They seem to offer prepared-on-demand chaat, but I didnt see a preparer, so I didnt bother with this.

I was rather surprised at the quantity of the veg/non-veg entrees they had on a Monday afternoon ... I wonder if a lot of Indian Professionals in the area just stop by after work for pickup food, rather than cooking.

But you must try the $7.99 GOAT (9/10 price performace), and EGGPLANT (8/10 price-perf).

I also recommend AVENTINUS EISBOCK beer.

about 16 hours ago
psb in San Francisco Bay Area
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Startup Sells "Prime" Reservations (Table8)

>I don't think you understand how a large
>enough restaurant operates ...
>
that's why i expressed the issue in generic terms.

if favoring customer A essentially comes out of the restaurant's pocket, or they are "breaking ties" [who gets the nicer table for people who arrive at the same time], that is fine. if favoring A comes at B's expense, that's kinda lame ... yes i recognize in some cases B may not know, in some cases B will know, in some cases B may think he knows and it may be denied by the resto, and in other cases B may be wrong.

I think the most common case of this is your 8pm RSVP is delayed and you dont know if they are "in the weeds" or you've been bumped. Let me think ... I think one such case was at ChaChaCha? ... a friend lived near by and ate there a few times a week and he'd be on an express queue. I think I got bumped at Charanga ... I am almost certain our table was given to a Friend of the House and we ended up with a wait and then 3 of us were put at a ridiculously small table for two. Sure a resto has the "right" to do that and you have a right to call them out on it, as long as you do so honestly.

1 day ago
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Startup Sells "Prime" Reservations (Table8)

2 days ago
psb in San Francisco Bay Area

Startup Sells "Prime" Reservations (Table8)

Fairness is the whole separate issue. Senior discounts != student discount != ladies night != quantity discount != discount for locals, are secondary sales allowed etc.

2 days ago
psb in San Francisco Bay Area

Startup Sells "Prime" Reservations (Table8)

Price Discrimination is the standard term for this. It's not picked to be inflammatory.

Yes, I know about the "chinese menu" with different dishes.

I am talking about disparate treatment on price:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_di...

Or in my case, openness to tax fraud collusion, based on "identity".

Apr 17, 2014
psb in San Francisco Bay Area

Startup Sells "Prime" Reservations (Table8)

> it's a net loss for consumers
>
yes, i agree. i think tweaks here and there (may) change the dining experience in interesting ways.

i.e. what's going to the be resto equivalent of "no you cant use the business/first class bathroom".

for example it would obviously be "odd" for a restaurant to say "we have three porterhouses left ... we will auction them off". under premium seating, what are the odds a kitchen may allow for "out of order execution" ... the Big Spender wants the porterhouse? ... tell the Country Cousin we're out, eventhough he ordered his first."

one of the posts in this thread was from a dood who was a regular at a resto and got his friends a table right then and there. so did the resto lie to the friend when they said no tables or did they bump some lower status guest? i have no problem with regulars getting comped items or perhaps a nicer table when there is a "tie' in precedence, but if you honor your side of the reservation and you're bumped for an insider, that's kinda lame in my book. you can retort "it's a business", but this kind of standing on your rights rather than a more collegial, put yourself in the other persons shoes, attitude leads to assertions like "once i am seated, i can linger as long as i want ... it's their problem if the resto is crowded".

yeah, there are definitely gaps between aggregate effects and individual outcomes ... e.g. obviously i am not pro sleazy practices of credit card issuers and banks w.r.t. to fees and penalties, but at a certain level these are great for me, because the more they can gouge "them", the less likely they are to come after me with fees for routine services.

seeking to monetize/optimal price/nickle and dime the whole resto experience will likely change it for the worse, eventhough in the abstract, it certainly efficient to say charge for bread. but i would find a bread charge annoying ... with free bread or olives, you feel like it is a little gift. on the other hand, i am always happy wtih places that dont bundle fries with a burger.

[although i realize bundling things with close to 0 cost like soda and fries are a bit special, as opposed to bread which may have to be sourced from a third party].

Apr 17, 2014
psb in San Francisco Bay Area
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Startup Sells "Prime" Reservations (Table8)

Supply and Demand is more a case of flights to Europe costing more in AUG than FEB ... all tix are more and ostensibly there are more flights as well.

A nice and clean example of price discrimination are higher-priced hardback copies of certain high-demand books, such as H. POTTER books only being available at first.

I believe one of Chowhound Farris's associates was involved in the recent Sup Ct case on ASIAN DISCOUNT MATH BOOK ARBITRAGE:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirtsaen....

Movie pricing is also a bit cleaner than the airline example ... of course there are supply-side responses like showing the same movie on multiple screens at the same time, or in a larger theater, more theater. But the price-discrim cases are traditionally student tix, and matinee discounts [yes, in a G.E. approach you can argue a 2pm and 8pm showing of the movie are different goods, but we can avoid that issue fairly easily]. Now there are innovations in price-discrimination like the KABUKI is doing ... dont they have some highly granular surcharges, like for Fri/Sat night? Now it it is interesting that theaters have not traditionally charged different prices for different movies in the same theater. In some countries, different seats have different charges, but even in theaters with reserved seating, I am unaware of a "center of the theater" premium or a front row discount [maybe the Kabuki does this? IMAX reserved seating appears not to do that] in the United States. I think one of the mega-blockbusters had a first-show premium ... like $20, no?

So it seems the Kabuki's innovations in price discrim have been successful in the movie business. We'll see if it works with restaurants.

On a supply and demand note, it appears TAQUERIA VALLARTAS increase in taco prices from $1.50 -> $1.75 -> $2may have gone awry, as now they are offering 4tacos/$7 with a free agua fresca. I am not 100% sure if this is true at both the 24th street and excelsior branches ... I'm also not a 100% sure this is correct, but I believe the prices in the Excelsior may have lagged 24th street. Although I suppose there is not really an opportunity for TACO ARBITRAGE.

>may maximize total welfare.
>
you say that as if it is a good thing :-) i think a wholesale vacuuming up of consumer surplus is not a great thing. without side-payments, it is not pareto-improving.

does cheeseboard still do age-based price discrimination? maybe if you can find a 100 y.o., you could CHEESE ARBITRAGE.

i'm a little curious if any ethnic restaurants do any price discrimination, either verbally, or based on reading ability in a foreign language. i have been offered a "cash discount" at a certain restaurant from the country whose passport i carry. but i think that was based on their perception that i'd be open to helping them engage in tax fraud [it was a 10% discount, so much larger than credit card charges] rather than WTP/3rd deg price discrimination.

Apr 17, 2014
psb in San Francisco Bay Area

Startup Sells "Prime" Reservations (Table8)

>Someone might figure out how to do this one day,
>but it's not going to be Table8.
>
Well one ostensibly successful approach has been day-of-week pricing, e.g. at Chez Panisse:

M: $65
TWT: $85
FS: $100

So what used to be one good, a table at CP, is now three different goods with three different prices. A Tue Table != Sat Table.

Apr 16, 2014
psb in San Francisco Bay Area

Startup Sells "Prime" Reservations (Table8)

Mr. Charge:

This isnt a supply and demand issue, it is an issue of price discrimination. i.e. it is a change to the *price structure*, having multiple prices for one good, not the *price level*.

price discrimination is efficient for the seller even where there isnt excess demand, since what is at issue is not the price+quantity but the disposition of the consumer surplus.

[You can argue it is not a complete clean case of price discrimination because the goods are not exactly the same, but that's more or less accounted for in the more robust version of the analysis ... creating a "close good" just to justify the multi-tired price. Following A. PIGOU, it will be interesting to see if this ends up looking more like 2nd degree [different classes of plane travel ... bootstrapping a "luxury good"] or 3rd deg [student discounts] price discrimination.]

Apr 16, 2014
psb in San Francisco Bay Area

Startup Sells "Prime" Reservations (Table8)

Anybody else ... U.R.M.I.? M.A.R.K.? ... amused over the ironic jargon ... the price charged under a PERFECT PRICE DISCRIMINATION REGIME is known as the RESERVATION PRICE?

OLIVERB:
In effect, this allows for PRICE DISCRIMINATION (see e.g.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_di...), though I suppose you can argue it from a different angle too, depending on the details.

I'd be sad to see this done with say Yosemite Camp Grounds or Grand Canyon Rafting slots ... and it seems dubious to have different TSA queues for people who pay $$$, but I suppose in the resto context, what they do here is their business.

I'll be interested to see how this unfolds ... whether the startup merely provides the infrastructure or does the analysis to advise on strategy (how many table to hold back, how much to charge ... general demand modeling).

While I'm sort of intellectually interested in this stuff ... price discrim, securitization, monetization, disintermediation ... and whatever the opposite of disintermediation is ... I think the "over-pecuniarization" of these kinds of interactions are kinda sad. There are some cases of real innovation and increased efficiency, but much of it at heart seems to be free riding on social norms, rather than being clever.

Apr 15, 2014
psb in San Francisco Bay Area
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Seeking mid-range resto rec below midtown

>You'll want to book something quickly.
>
oh yeah, i gave my host the choices of Cluny, Ganz and Lavagna (my preference order) and he picked Lavagna, so we're in there on the early side.

i also decide to take another friend + GF out on Sunday night to Cluny ... sunday obviously had much higher availability than Sat. then maybe go to Barbes after.

looking forward to both, but Cluny more so. i have to say part of the appeal was the name ... I have some interest in French history.

Mar 28, 2014
psb in Manhattan

Best desserts in NYC

>i like their yuzu eskimo.
>
i thought that was pretty good too. the strawberries were a bit pedestrian but the yuzu + oreo soil + chocolate was nice ... not a michelin level sublime creation, but for a late night drop in, a good, creative option. enjoyed it more than the lunchtime apfelstrudel at LUGAR.

Mar 28, 2014
psb in Manhattan

Cricket-showing Bar

Oh hi everyone ... thanks for the pointers. I'll be sure to call about early opening [for "normal cricket", not an issue since it lasts all day ... but this is the "short form" of the game] and about competing sports [Back in SF, needless to say it was impossible to find the Indian Wells finals during March Madness, so not optimistic this time either] ... or maybe I should just be satisfied catching the Arsenal - Man City game on Sat ... I've watched a couple of soccer matches at CENTRAL BAR near Astor Place, but didnt especially like the food there ... although about par for that type of venue I suppose. Wish I could have gotten a CORNER BISTRO BURGER at CENTRAL BAR.

>the australian is a pretty good bet if you are
>cheering for Aus
>
er, I am from IND although I dont hate AUS since Ricky Ponting and Andrew Symonds retired. Hence the question if some say West Indian or Indian Subcontinent-type place might have the games on ... perhaps just for staff interest.

I see The Australian has AFL games on their sports schedule ... it seems odd not to watch the national team play, but maybe it's a schedule issue or it's a Football-bias.

Thanks again.

Mar 28, 2014
psb in Manhattan

Seeking mid-range resto rec below midtown

[general reply to everyone after ~12hrs]

wow, i really appreciate these suggestions. i had never heard of 75% of these places and was getting concerned when LUPA was only avail at 3pm and 11pm ... but suspected NYC "bench depth" would save me ... but again didnt want to come across as as a Ridiculous Princess about the whole thing ... "and the walls must be lime green".

the weird factor for my planning [and i'm just telling tales, not relevant to any advice] is my friend's GF might bring her "adoptive grandpa friend" who is ~90 y.o. and apparently the biggest drinker in the crowd :-) [yeah, i am aware how much wine/cocktails can swing the tab] ... so some limits on distance, lateness, etc.

Mar 27, 2014
psb in Manhattan

Cricket-showing Bar

Is there a bar/ethnic restaurant anyone would recommend in Manhattan (or easily accessible by subway in QNS or BK) that shows cricket?

Specifically, I'm interested in the Australia-India T20 match this Sunday, March 30, 2014 ... it's on at 9:30am, so perhaps that rules out most of the
places which would otherwise be options?

Thanks!

Mar 26, 2014
psb in Manhattan

The pizza shop (24th St., Mission) [San Francisco]

Hyperbowler: Assume you are aware Slice of NY (Stevens Creek Blvd and Sunnyvale ECR), has garlic knots.

Mar 26, 2014
psb in San Francisco Bay Area

Seeking mid-range resto rec below midtown

Hi, I'd like to take my friend and his GF out to dinner [nominally in exchange for crash space in Williamsburg]. Are these parameters impossible or with NYC's bench depth and the knowledge on the board, miracles can happen ... ???

--place we could plausibly get into this Sat, 3/29/2014 ... with a party of 3-4 ... we are willing to wait at a place that takes walks ins

--ideally eating between say 6:30 and 9:30 ... maybe this is delusional?

--ideally between Flatiron/Nomad - Tribeca ... Brooklyn from Greenpoint to Park Slope probably ok.

--let's say up to $60-80/person with tax/tip

--European or American [not American Southern] preferred [two of them have absolutely 0 spice tolerance] ... fancy Mexican maybe. Doing Central Asian the night before, so that is also out. And not pizza, due to pizza overload.

[I'm not trying not to come off as ridiculous and picky ... I recognize some sacrifices/ may be necessary on the food quality front, and most of this is slightly flexible, e.g. Financial District spot, but not Queens. I just know in my home town board [SF], people always want people to be explicit about their parameters.]

Anyway, would welcome ideas. Thanks!

Mar 26, 2014
psb in Manhattan

The pizza shop (24th St., Mission) [San Francisco]

Have you actually gone into Pi Bar and asked for a (to-go?) slice and nothing else? Did they give you a cold stare or was that cool?

I would personally feel a little sheepish doing that but if it's commonly done, I might as well (well maybe not any more with The Pizza Shop in the vicinity). In fact I dont think I've even sat at the counter and just had a slice without having a beer ... I'd kinda feel like I went to a bar happy hour, just ordered the subsidized food and didnt have a drink, but again, maybe that's just me.

Mar 24, 2014
psb in San Francisco Bay Area

The pizza shop (24th St., Mission) [San Francisco]

>I think the Pizza Shop's pricing model
>makes sense
>
so you are at the same time saying "everyone else is doing it wrong"?

or what is the unique factor to Pizza Shop which suggests this makes sense for them but not "everyone else"?

it's also an interesting problem for tipping. $1 is a pretty big tip for a $3 slice. i mention this as apparently that is one issue for a certain cafe to be unhappy with Square. i think what happened was people were paying with credit card more and when faced with a minimum tip larger than they would be happy with opted to round to zero more often than going ahead with the higher tip. although this also has "principal-agent" issues ... in some places maybe the owner gets part/all/none of the tip jar.

Mar 23, 2014
psb in San Francisco Bay Area

The pizza shop (24th St., Mission) [San Francisco]

>It's relevant if you compare
>it with slice places that add tax.
>
No it isnt. I am saying 3 > 2.
Some places:
~3 prices: plain/cheese < pep < "combo" (or even >3)

pizza shop:
2 prices: plain < with_toppings

This is an observation about *structure*. N slices are mapped to P prices. They have chosen an usual strategy. One cannot decide whether it is better or worse for oneself personally without deciding if what you prefer is under/overpriced ... in which case you can sort of from comparing the *order* of prices along across establishments, i.e. there is not a single place where a cheese slice costs more than a pep slice or a pep slice costs more than a "combo" slice.

We are mostly comparing Pizza Shop as it is with Pizza Shop as it might have been with a more traditional pricing structure. In that setting, including/not including tax on the advertized prices may have a psychological element, but otherwise doesnt matter to the utility analysis.

Mar 23, 2014
psb in San Francisco Bay Area

Manila Oriental Market, SF

>MOM is clean, calm, and well-organized
>
well, i think it depends what your baseline is.
(not familiar with Battambang)

maybe compared to chinatown but not compared to Kukje in daly city.

on one of the neighborhood internet forums, some of the neighbors ("neybors") really hate them ... truck deliveries blocking traffic, food smells, birds inside the store etc.

[i do see this is a post from 2007]

Mar 22, 2014
psb in San Francisco Bay Area

Manila Oriental Market, SF

That is interesting about the pork. Some beef I got at MOM was really, really bad flavor/texture-wise ... revealed preference: i may not have finished it. sample size is small. It was cheaper than safeway, but this was a cut which was ok from safeway.

Mar 22, 2014
psb in San Francisco Bay Area

The pizza shop (24th St., Mission) [San Francisco]

yes, tax included.

this was about deltas/granularity, so the tax issue is not relevant

Mar 22, 2014
psb in San Francisco Bay Area

Cant find Pepperoni sticks anywhere (Livermore Area)

I used to buy these for backpacking/extended mountain expeditions. I believe I would get them in large quantity at Country Cheese Store ... which normally I wouldnt recommend for someone asking from Livermore, but you seem unusually motivated.

I'm not sure if they still keep this ... I think they tried to go a little more upscale and changed some of their stock.

I recall something like this being a next-to-the-cashier impulse buy item somewhere ... maybe Pasta Shop on 4th St in Berkeley? Lucca on Valencia has landjager ... dont recall if they have these sticks. There isnt a cheese+meat shop to try in your area?

Genoa Deli is another Oak/Berk candidate.

Mar 22, 2014
psb in San Francisco Bay Area

The pizza shop (24th St., Mission) [San Francisco]

The pricing issue for THE PIZZA SHOP is as follows:

I believe a lot of places have a 50-75cent delta between the entry level cheese slice and the "level 1" toppings, like the pep slice, or only mushroom, or a veg slice.

Here, there are only two pricing tiers so the pricing is not smooth [I believe say Rotten City has more pricing granularity]. Also, the cheese slices here are incredibly strong; it's not a poor substitute to a +toppings slice. The first thing I tried here was the "meat-o" and the cheese slice I had after was better and $1 cheaper.

The actual consumer surplus maximization for me between 2 pep+mushroom slices for $8, 1pep+mushroom + 1 plain for $7, 2 plain for $6, 1 pep+mushroom for $4 or 1 plain for $3 is indeterminate once you factor in diminishing marginal returns and the extra calorie hit for two vs one slice. But basically the consumer surplus here is so high on those two options, you really cant go wrong.

My life will become worse ... in a first world kind of way ... if he priced something like cheese = $3.25, pep = $3.75, fancy/multitopping = $4.25.

I note in passing, Pi bar also uses weird pricing because their per-slice topping are priced at 25cents/topping, it's best to get at least two toppings once you've "anted up"

Mar 21, 2014
psb in San Francisco Bay Area
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best cheap eats in the Berkeley / Oakland area

In my experience Arizmendi Valencia has good game, but Golden Gate Park, E'ville, Lakeshore are all noticeably weaker. I've eaten at all of them quite a few times, but havent been in a while, so maybe they have gotten better.
[judging on pizza alone ... although the Valencia Focaccia with cheese is also good].

I think Nick Pizza and Slicer are fair deals for slices. I like Lanesplitter too.

I've eaten at Sliver maybe 20 times and they were trending down from their opening [at which point I think their staff were all cheeseboard emigres] but still ok ... if the downward trend continues, it might be a problem, but otherwise I think they are a reasonable cheeseboard sub and a cheap lunch indeed, if you dont get a cocktail [which i did once or twice and are generally not good].

Sorry, not a fan of Vik. I'm in the south bay enough these days to save my indian food/chaat outings for ECRish places.

re: La Bedaine ... I think his smoked salmon which used to be priced at $16/lb was a great deal. It's gone up ... and that is more of a treat than a lunch/dinner. Not sure if you can do lunch there for under $10. Although we're splitting hairs to suggest their are more than Gregoire ... for me, if I've gone all the way over to Solano, I'll end up getting more than a Sando, so I always end up spending more at LB than G, but I suppose it's not inherently more expensive.

Build: over priced.
Pho place on Euclid across from Bongo, Next to LaVals: over priced.

Stuffed Inn: not sure if they have gotten worse or expectations have been raised but I was in the mood for an old school white bread sando and it was pretty bad. The sando/middle eastern/smoothie place has a better $4.50 "school lunch" type sando.

That indian fast food place on Euclid [Urban Turban] actually gives you a quite large amount of food for what they charge, if memory serves.

My colleagues and I miss Brasa, although it was perhaps pushing "cheap".

My colleague like Donkey Burrito ... it is very cheap, tacos $1.25 I believe, but I do not think it is very good. I am not a huge fan of Cancun either.

I've heard decent things about Rocket Food or whatever it is called, but I suppose that is sui generis.

When Cafe Rouge has their pastrami, it is also a great deal ($14?) ... I'll just eat it straight for lunch. Local Butcher corned beef has gotten too pricy ($18?).

Mar 21, 2014
psb in San Francisco Bay Area
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Manila Oriental Market, SF

>Tempted to start an "SF produce deals" thread...
>
well hopefully it will include testimonials and not just price data. from "Dave MP"'s followup, I wonder if he's been burned like I have from some Mission ultra cheap fruit deals ... for example I bought ~3 crazy cheap mangos once and I didnt know a mango could essentially be all fiber and no taste. I've bought some inedible strawberries etc.

[ok "burned" here = "out ~$1.50"]

Mar 21, 2014
psb in San Francisco Bay Area
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best cheap eats in the Berkeley / Oakland area

--Cheeseboard is of course a crown jewel.

--Kim Albany Cafe is a little pricier than VN sandos in deep oakland or the tenderloin but is a good deal ... certainly cheaper than La Bedaine (I like La Bedaine and I think they are good deal for quality, but I dont think of them as cheap)

--Bongo Burger Persian Burger is a good deal for $7.50 with tax (and have the $3.50 breakfast)

--Suya Afro/Carib Grill ... I havent gone their too many times but I think it is a good option. Not a lot of seating space.

--If you list La Bedaine, might as well list PIQ or Gregoire Sandos (as long as you dont order a potato item, it's under $10 for lunch)

--you can get some cheap and good stuff at Oasis Market, but it's a bit weirdly run ... I've been charge different amounts at different times, quality can vary etc. Beef somosa, spinach pie, lebne/baba ganouj all generally pretty good ... i dont think they still sell pita individually for 20cents but i think you can get 5 fo ~$1.

Mar 21, 2014
psb in San Francisco Bay Area
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The pizza shop (24th St., Mission) [San Francisco]

I am almost certain the first place i encountered a Grandma slice (next to the 7th Ave B/Q statio in BK) in did not have fresh mozz ... their fresh mozz+basil slice was a different option.

the only two things which seem consistent are:
1. it is between neopolitan and sicilian in thickness
2. "the sauce is different" ... but i have heard many different explanations of how it is diff, from "it has anchovies" to "the tomato ingredient is different"

i believe most of the time it is a little smaller and rectangular, but this can vary.

Mar 20, 2014
psb in San Francisco Bay Area

The pizza shop (24th St., Mission) [San Francisco]

>He cuts the mushrooms
>in a way that they don't dry out
>
that is a good observation.

you can tell this guy has done some kind of "iterative refinement" of his "craft".

Do you miss the "Ranch Dressing" genre of pizza? Isnt that a horror that swam its way up the L.I.E. ?

Mar 20, 2014
psb in San Francisco Bay Area