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Regarding "Moderators Promoting Racism?"

twyst, I don't know what else to say but that having an opinion or preference =/= being easily offended.

Jul 16, 2011
im_nomad in Site Talk

Regarding "Moderators Promoting Racism?"

Servorg, we're not in a court of law. Last time I checked it wasn't illegal for a friend of a restaurant to tell people how great the place is, but that is not allowed around here, right? Lets not confuse forum regulations with the law or constitutional rights.

If I can be honest, we obviously disagree with how this is interpreted. I asked for us to "agree to disagree" because I felt a little like I was being sort of followed for everything I had to say by you and I was hoping we could just stop.

Jul 16, 2011
im_nomad in Site Talk

Regarding "Moderators Promoting Racism?"

"Just look at how angry you are with me".... lol okayyyyy. I disagree that any of my exchanges with you in this thread were about me being angry with you, which I'm not, and heated discussions do not anger make.

Jul 16, 2011
im_nomad in Site Talk

Regarding "Moderators Promoting Racism?"

The canned goods was re chef boyardee.

And while my point on this doesn't seem to be coming across very clearly, but I do not expect my own personal lines in the sand to be catered to. I would rather see a board full of offensiveness than one where some things are picked off and others (like your example) remain with no clear line as to the difference.

Jul 16, 2011
im_nomad in Site Talk

Regarding "Moderators Promoting Racism?"

chowser, you will have to excuse me for seeing a difference between getting bent out of shape over canned goods, and a not-so-positive racial descriptor.

But that is besides the point, if the defense here is that the thread in question couldn't have been deleted because the mods can't bow to every little thing that people are offended by. The problem is, is that they regularly do delete comments and threads for these reasons, in addition to reasons that escape everyone. If you're going to take the stance that you won't delete everything that people get bent out of shape over, well then, stick to that. Be consistent.

Jul 16, 2011
im_nomad in Site Talk

Regarding "Moderators Promoting Racism?"

I wanted equal speech Jim, there is a difference. I didn't want to get into the detail because I didn't want the mods to delete me again, but the OP had been referred to by a descriptor by others in this thread. When I said that I had agreed with what the OP had to say, I used the same word in quotation marks aka I did not think the person was as such. My use of the word in quotation marks was deleted while the others remained. It was a creature who lives under a bridge for reference.

This is not a case of "someone used a bad word and offended my delicate sensibilities and now I'm leaving". That is a misunderstanding when it comes to my posts.

And while I really shouldn't care what anyone thinks of me, again, I am not some delicate flower or to use an example above "too irritable for the internet".

Jul 15, 2011
im_nomad in Site Talk

Regarding "Moderators Promoting Racism?"

I feel there is a difference between the example I gave, and those you provided in that there is a difference in what you might expect a reasonable person to be uncomfortable with, and perhaps a not so reasonable person (i.e. a reasonable person would hopefully recognize that while they might be uncomfortable with an issue, that people are perfectly right to push its boundaries-name calling and the like to me doesn't fit that as such). The concept of what is reasonable, or what a reasonable person would generally assume or accept is found in many legal concepts or policies, if I remember correctly from my own work.

However, Servorg, I am far too tired of defending every single point I make with you, and we will have to agree to disagree.

Jul 15, 2011
im_nomad in Site Talk

Regarding "Moderators Promoting Racism?"

Jim, I did not say that the moderators had to remove something simply because it gave me the icks. Several people had the icks in this case. But I made the statement as it had in some aspects, ruined the site for me on an individual level, and is a signal to me on that same level, that maybe its time to take leave of the site, if maybe only for a while.

And respectfully, given that the thread you are responding to was initially deleted for using the same word used repeatedly upthread , I'd also say that the mods are already removing things, ick or no ick. I do not think this recent thread modification suddenly crushed all free speech around here or suddenly caused all kinds of thread removals. Thread deletions and locks are not a new thing.

Jul 15, 2011
im_nomad in Site Talk

Regarding "Moderators Promoting Racism?"

I continue to say that I agree with a lot of what the OP, said in the other thread.

I'm also a bit surprised by the number of people who desperately hold on to their "right" to use whatever offensive term they want, in the face of others saying it bothers them. I mean, if you dropped F-bombs in front of your grandparents, and called your Grandma a bitch, and Grandpa asked you not to say it because it bothered them, would you in turn tell them that you are trying to hold on to your rights to free speech and are not stopping? Rights aside, that's just manners, when someone tells you that something you are saying or doing is making them uncomfortable, you might consider stopping or at least choosing another word that still fully gets your point across. I'd assume most people's vocabulary around here is not that limited is it?

Have I used words in the past that I didn't realize were off-putting to some people? Sure thing. But the difference lies in what you choose to do when someone brings that to your attention, and this does not mean you don't get to roll your eyes to yourself afterwards to talk to a friend about how ridiculous that was, if you feel that way.

In general, in discussions about this type of issue, some people start in with the "people are being too sensitive"...."what's the big deal?"... "It doesn't bother me." .." I'm sick and tired of the PC police telling me what not to say" etc. But yet these same people have no trouble whatsoever with these very statements, in essence speaking for everyone. AKA "You are not allowed to tell me what not to say or what people should be offended by, but I am here to tell you what you shouldn't be offended by".

I'm a moderator on another forum. Before I became a moderator, I could pretty much say whatever I wanted to on that forum, but everyone knows that the mods are held to a different standard, and we can get our knuckles rapped for saying stuff that members say sometimes and get away with. For example-personally for me, the "R" word is something I really dislike, but some people scatter it throughout their conversation, especially the younger members of that forum. Now imagine that I, as a moderator, opened up a thread with "why is so-and-so being such a retard?" I'd hope someone would call me out on that.

I do not have a personal history with the word in question, but I did a double take when I saw that thread, and as I said in the other discussion, reading it gave me a case of the icks. And I admit it, and the resulting discussion, changed my perception of this board a little. I find it hard to discuss deliciousness when I have the icks, what can I say.

Jul 15, 2011
im_nomad in Site Talk

Moderators Promoting Racism?

Your example is somewhat in line with the use of the word "Newfie" where I come from. Plenty of people couldn't care less about the word, but plenty of people hate it, because it does have a negative history and association and has further grown with the use of "stupid newfie" jokes and the like. Being nudged in the ribs by someone "from away" while they "yes b'ye" at me and call me a Newfie while telling me jokes about Jarge and his buddy, is not going to go over well. I may shrug it off in their presence, but there are lots of people who feel this way.

I think a lot of what it boils down to on this thread though, is that there are things you can get away with in private conversation etc that are not considered offensive by your group, but might be by others. This is a very visible website, an international one at that.

Jul 14, 2011
im_nomad in Site Talk

Moderators Promoting Racism?

I think "squicky" sums up what the word is. It gives me the icks. I'm not about to make a federal case about it, but it does make me squirmy and makes me think "wow did you just say that?"

Jul 14, 2011
im_nomad in Site Talk

Moderators Promoting Racism?

I fully understand rights, and the need to speak your mind about what you believe in, although I fail to see what throwing one hot button word into a conversation has to do with expression of ideas and the flow of conversation. And I do think some people twist the idea of free speech to mean "I can go around being a complete a-hole because it is my legal right to do so".

Jul 14, 2011
im_nomad in Site Talk

Moderators Promoting Racism?

I think not caving to pressure holds true if someone stands to lose out if the expressed issue is not used. In your example, the non-picky kid stands to lose out on a bigger variety of cooking. I doubt anyone here is going to suffer if no one uses the word "whitey".

Jul 13, 2011
im_nomad in Site Talk

Moderators Promoting Racism?

If it is offensive to that person, it is offensive. Doesn't mean a law has to be made about it, but it should not necessarily be minimized, and I don't get to tell you what you shouldn't be offended by. I may not like it, or may roll my eyes in private, but it is what it is.

Be legal, or "allowed to say" doesn't mean you SHOULD.

Jul 13, 2011
im_nomad in Site Talk

Moderators Promoting Racism?

I just think that if nothing else, it is common courtesy that when someone, especially a group of people tell you that something you are saying is offensive, to at least reword what you are saying.

I realize we're not in a workplace, but I'm used to workplace discussions about these things. "well I wasn't being mean" wouldn't hold water when it comes to some stuff.

I admit that it particularly bothers me when others are bound and determined to hold on to certain words and expressions despite being told expressly that it offends a person.

Jul 13, 2011
im_nomad in Site Talk

Moderators Promoting Racism?

I was speaking more in general to the "well I wasn't offended by it" statement that people seem to make when it comes to stuff like this. Didn't mean to suggest you were telling kaleo what to do.

Jul 13, 2011
im_nomad in Site Talk

Moderators Promoting Racism?

Jeebs, as I said above, *you* not being offended doesn't really amount to a hill of beans, when there are others, and particularly several others who are.

Jul 13, 2011
im_nomad in Site Talk

Moderators Promoting Racism?

The "if you are offended, move on" thing really surprises me too, if for no other reason than it is not applied to other threads.

And not to get into an off-topic, but I hear you on the vegetarian thing. I once brought up the issue of why there was so much vitriol directed there here in site talk, and it was swiftly locked after a few responses involving stereotypes were made (i.e. because you're all trouble sort of thing). Its a touchy topic though for some, not that I understand that. But whatever.

Jul 13, 2011
im_nomad in Site Talk

Moderators Promoting Racism?

With all due respect inaplasticcup, when it comes to things like this, it doesn't really matter if you as an individual are not offended by something, as long as there are others, and especially several others who are. We kind of don't get to tell other people what they're not allowed to be offended about, whether we like that or not.

Jul 13, 2011
im_nomad in Site Talk

Moderators Promoting Racism?

I find it weird that several people can report something as offensive, but as long as someone says it wasn't meant in anger, that's ok?

Jul 13, 2011
im_nomad in Site Talk

Restaurant bans children under age 6 - What do you think?

A couple of nearby double duty type taverns have the after 9 no kids rule, or they used to. It was really strange to go to this place on a wing night and see kids running around while people (including their parents) were throwing back jugs of beer and eating nachos and wings. But there was a point in the evening when the mood of the place I guess moved more over to bar than restaurant. You also weren't allowed to smoke in there until after 9pm back when you could still smoke in bars, so maybe the rule was tied to that and may not even exist any more.

Jul 12, 2011
im_nomad in Not About Food

Healthy foods you crave

I think I eat more olives than any person should in the run of a day. I eat them daily or just about. I think whoever it was that started stuffing olives with almonds deserves a gold star.

Jul 12, 2011
im_nomad in General Topics

Restaurant bans children under age 6 - What do you think?

Sort of off-topic to this particular discussion, but I came pretty close to a serious eye injury within the past year at a restaurant when one of the children in the next booth not only was standing up, but throwing things. I was chatting away with my friends when whammo, I got a pretty solid smack in the eye/face with a large bunch of rubber grapes that had been part of some display. I'm no weenie, but that thing hurt.

The parents laughed. Gave a sort of giggly half sorry after everyone at our table gave them the "are you kidding me?" look, and then went on with their meal.

Jul 12, 2011
im_nomad in Not About Food

Restaurant bans children under age 6 - What do you think?

Next time I'm in a restaurant, I'm going to wander over to nearby tables of strangers and ask them what they're eating and show them my awesome new iPhone and fabulous new shoes I recently got.

I like kids a lot, and I understand they don't have the same self-control as an adult, but I really don't see why my example would be inappropriate but yet adorable when it is a child. I find it a little weird as well that you hear so much about parents who would go off the deep end if a stranger spoke to their child or went in the vicinity of a stroller (those don't touch my child/wash your hands stickers or whatever they are), but yet instilling in that same child that it is ok for them to invade others personal space.

Jul 12, 2011
im_nomad in Not About Food

Restaurant bans children under age 6 - What do you think?

Restaurants can restrict how much alcohol you can have in the absence of any problematic behavior, there have been examples of this on these boards.

When I was a teenager, there was a local pizza place who for a while banned teenagers. Sure we were unhappy with the owner, but equally with whoever it was that had ruined it for the rest of us. And while it sucks, people have their comforts and good times ruined by the sins of others all the time. Its why you see apartment ads for "no students" and certain areas are "no pets" etc. I've seen bars that started closing early because enough people's behavior got out of hand. I guess it is also in part why there are dress codes in restaurants and quiet areas in libraries or trains/ferries. Many rules and regulations are spurred primarily by enough people ruining it for everyone else.

Jul 11, 2011
im_nomad in Not About Food

Restaurant bans children under age 6 - What do you think?

Agree with this, except that the start should be "at home" and then restaurant.

Jul 11, 2011
im_nomad in Not About Food

Restaurant bans children under age 6 - What do you think?

I must be an anomaly. My parents never took me to finer restaurants much when I was a child, and yet I am not eating my meals off the floor or bothering nearby diners with loud and obnoxious behavior as an adult.

Jul 11, 2011
im_nomad in Not About Food

Restaurant bans children under age 6 - What do you think?

Was there not also a chef in NYC who also had an age restriction on brunch? And I also recall reading about a cheese shop/restaurant in London with similar rules.

The way this reads, the owner has had way too many bad experiences with unruly children in his restaurant, possibly losing business over it, and this is the response. People should take issue with those who have given reason for the policy, not the owner imho.

As much as I agree that ALL forms of bad behavior should be addressed by management, the comparison to adults behaving badly in defensiveness of stuff like this has never made sense to me. Since when does pointing out someone else's bad behavior make another's go away? And lets face it, an owner is likely to have far less backlash if a drunken lout is asked to leave, than if a screaming child with family is kicked out.

Jul 11, 2011
im_nomad in Not About Food

No Special Treatment for Vegetarians at Barbecues

I think anyone who plans a party and asks this question with the preconceived notion that they are going to be put out and forced to "bend over backwards" for a vegetarian friend is likely not to truly want anything to do with accommodating anyone to begin with, and is likely only looking for the "meat or GTFO, amirite?" responses anyway.

Akitist: people do have meat sensitivities and allergies, and some people also follow vegetarian or vegan diets in order to control a medical condition. They are not necessarily phobic.

Jul 10, 2011
im_nomad in Features

Free Calorie Count Apps for Smartphones- MyFitnessPal, Fatsecret or another app?

I think Fitday has a free app. I haven't yet downloaded it, but I use Fitday online and find it pretty good.

Jul 08, 2011
im_nomad in Food Media & News