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Where to get (tasty) roasted suckling pig?

Thanks for the post. Great timing! Headed back that way tomorrow. Read the reviews on the restaurant and they are all over the place! Difficult to tell if one will have a good experience.

Do you know how long it took? Was the order made ahead of time? Or did your party order when you walked in? Is it on the menu?

Lastly, what is the phonetic pronunciation in Cantonese please?
"Kao Ru Zhu" or "Kyu Zyu"?

Roast Suckling Pig = 烤乳猪 = Correct?

Best Authentic Cantonese Food? Needing home cooking!

Thank you for this input. I've been in rural areas and alleys where wi-fi access was not easy for us. We went to East Ocean Seafood and arrived upon opening and successfully avoided the lines. It was a good third experience for my friend who had taken me to a couple of places of cook to order places outside of traditional dim sum brunch times.
We got the full traveling cart experience with a table location not too far from the kitchen door where carts were flying out. The staff was exceptionally attentive, contrary to dim sum stereotypes.
The lo mai gai was worth the entire meal for me. The dan tat/egg custard tart was perhaps the worst I've ever had, the crust tasted like old Crisco shortening with far too much pastry (ratio wise for the filling). What a shame. The center was good but too little to really enjoy.
The haw gao and sieu mai were larger than normal. They were acceptable but could have been more tender.
I enjoyed the texture of their jook/congee. Simple, not overly creamy, subtle in flavor.
Their tofu fa was not as creamy or luscious as it could have been and it needed more ginger for the syrup - which was more like water.
Scallops and mixed meat dumplings: seafood stench to strong for the scallops. Mixed meat was chewy and not tender. Little flavor.
The salt and pepper calamari is definitely something to order as many others have said.
I inquired about ong choy and they said it would be $14 for one order regardless of how it's cooked (was my interpretation). They didn't understand my English with spicy fermented bean curd. And I was certainly not willing to spend that much on one dish when I purchased the ingredients to make it myself.
Went to Gum Kuo the evening before. Service was attentive and the food was very good. By far the most tender meat you will ever experience in your life. Impressive. Seems to be a staple among locals and a popular place for a quality meal. We thoroughly enjoyed the congee. Duck and pork were phenomenally tender but needed more flavor. Will definitely try to return.

Best Authentic Cantonese Food? Needing home cooking!

Sorry about the limited communication. My friend and I have been on the road with very limited internet access and very full days. We'll find a place in Oakland. Thank you for the thought!

Best Authentic Cantonese Food? Needing home cooking!

Hi mchen,

Time is going by fast... at this point it's looking like Sunday morning as early as possible. We'll be staying in Oakland so something in Oakland Chinatown would be fine too!

Ong/Ung Choy or Gai Lan on the Menu?

Hi Robert, Was this 2190 Bancroft Way, Berkeley, CA or 2190 Bancroft Way, Berkeley, CA or other?

Molecular Gastronomy Restaurants deserving of Time and Money?

Hi bbulko,

I saw that you had a wonderful reply that I'd intended on responding to but I see maybe you've edited it?

Best Authentic Cantonese Food? Needing home cooking!

mchen, Thank you for your offer! We're obviously still working on our schedule and very few things are set in stone at the moment. I will check with my friend and we'll get back to you but we may not be able to pick a date until a few days from now. Would likely be towards the end of March.

Are there days of the week and times where it might be less crowded but still fresh food?

Best Authentic Cantonese Food? Needing home cooking!

Please tell me more, how would it work? And what would comprise the list?

Where to get (tasty) roasted suckling pig?

CYL,

What is your recipe for the pork skin?

Molecular Gastronomy Restaurants deserving of Time and Money?

Thank you to everyone who responded to this thread!

I have made a reservation for us at Atelier Crenn with much additional research on all the places mentioned based on your guidance.

I feel far more confident about the decision and never would have known about it otherwise. Completely looking forward to the experience!

Please feel free to continue to add to the thread if anyone goes anywhere and has a report.

Ong/Ung Choy or Gai Lan on the Menu?

Anyone know of any places that have one or both on the menu have this in the bay area? Esp ong choy with preserved bean curd?

Best Authentic Cantonese Food? Needing home cooking!

Coming in from 1,500 miles away for a couple of weeks and needing to eat... A LOT. Been deprived for too long.

Looking for good, fresh, consistent... dives are fine. Please share any specialties (e.g.: jook/congee, pulled noodles, roast pork w/crispy skin, roast duck, w/crispy skin, chicken feet, seafood, noodles, dim sum, dan tat/egg custard, good desserts)

All advice appreciated.

Willing to drive an north or south if there are exceptional don't miss suggestions, especially if the place offers other authentic Cantonese dishes.

Lobster Cantonese Anywhere in the Area?

Coming in from 1,500 miles away for a couple of weeks and needing a good fix of Lobster Cantonese... (w/ground pork, rice wine, broth/stock, black beans, etc)

Looking for good, fresh, consistent...

Willing to drive an hour if there are exceptional don't miss suggestions, especially if the place offers other authentic Cantonese dishes.

Best Authentic, Exquisite Dim Sum and Chinese Bakeries?

>Koi Palace has 100% crabmeat xiao long bao which should not be missed (comes with crab claws too). Get the baby pig while you're there.

Oh my G. You're talking my language.
100% crabmeat with claws!?
Baby pig? How is it prepared?

Best "Local" Seafood Restaurants in Bay Area? Coming from a distance and need FIX!

You are correct Robert...

Best "Local" Seafood Restaurants in Bay Area? Coming from a distance and need FIX!

ckshen,

Lovely! Especially with the Chinese style recommendations as Dim Sum is also something I need a serious fix of.

Love the idea of fresh direct from oyster farm and we'll be staying in that area for a few days. Keep talking... I'm all ears!

Best Authentic, Exquisite Dim Sum and Chinese Bakeries?

PeterL:

My definition of "exquisite":
haw gao and siu mai where the meat is tender, moist and flavorful and the wrap is lightly transparent and fresh with no hints of the wrap bing dried out. Cheung fun that *literally* melts in your mouth. Dan tat that is flaky, creamy smooth and not too sweet, lo mai gi that is well infused with the essence of the lotus/bamboo/banana leaf used for the wrap to include good flavored rice made with stock and bits of mushroom and a succulent filling including Chinese sausage. Chicken feet that are not greasy, well, nothing should be greasy. Where it's obvious everything was made fresh and has not been pre-made and frozen ahead of time.

I know what I'm looking for, I just need guidance to find it!
Does my definition help?

Best Authentic, Exquisite Dim Sum and Chinese Bakeries?

ckshen,

>any average dimsum joint and bakeries here is miles better than what you find there.

Absolutely ***not*** looking for average! Hence the inquiry...

; )

Best Authentic, Exquisite Dim Sum and Chinese Bakeries?

I'm completely deprived of what I grew up on —quality Dim Sum—while living in the heart of the midwest. Coming in from 1,500 miles away and need to seriously make up for lost time! Haw gao, siu mai, lo bak go, lo mei gai, cheung fun, dan tat, etc. I'm ravenous just thinking about it. Also looking for amazing execution of not so sweet, authentic Chinese pastries. (edit: or not authentic... so long as they're amazing!)

Will be in the Bay area willing to drive an hour outside of the Bay Area and even 4-5 hours south since it's already on the itinerary. Will be in Oakland for a few days as well.

Where do the long time Chinese locals go? Have you been?
What's particularly not to miss, price range?

Molecular Gastronomy Restaurants deserving of Time and Money?

Thank you for your insight willyum. This helps. You've evidently eaten well!

I'm looking for whimsy and fun to be incorporated into this experience of quality food with a strong MG bent.

"but it's not that far off from Alinea, where these days there seems to be more of an emphasis on fresh ingredients with some molecular additions that add to the experience, but not at the expense of the food."

Are you saying that before "these days" that the MG additions "were" at the expense of the food?

Molecular Gastronomy Restaurants deserving of Time and Money?

>"Your milage may vary!"
Taken into account nocharge...

As I stated earlier: :$198/person would be steep unless multiple reviews really justify investment."

Therefore, I need to feel my way through those willing to respond to this thread to be able to make an educated decision and $198 is not completely out of consideration for a once in a lifetime, first time, Molecular Gastronomy type experience with a close friend who I feel would appreciate it.

It's not just about quantity of food. It's about art, supporting a craftsman, appreciating each ingredient and it's origin, and nature's effort in creating them. It's about respecting the perspective of the chef who decides on the theme, ingredient selections, combinations of flavors, texture, color, succession, and timing for the diner's experience.

It's about sharing a unique first time *experience* with someone like minded that combines all of these things and more to make to justify the investment — for something I've been wanting to do since Grant himself was discussing the opening of Alinia in the Egullet forums.

I simply needed to make the inquiry to see what others had to share so I can feel I've arrived at a safer than not decision based on *my* budget at this time in my life.

If money were not an object, I would certainly have chosen Manresa since my friend has ties to where some of the ingredients are grown exclusively for the restaurant and I personally love the abalone cover of the cookbook and their philosophies of ingredients to table which makes it a hair more personal for our own reasons. But at this time, it's definitely too much of an investment.

As for Crenn or any other restaurant, the food comes first. In this case, the MG component needs to be creative, thinking outside the box, but with logic to arrive a their execution. To maintain the integrity of ingredients which deserve to shine in their own right while experimenting and being playful with other ingredients as a compliment, not a distraction.

I am completely on board with the *experience* being a legitimate component of the investment.

Molecular Gastronomy Restaurants deserving of Time and Money?

Yes, definitely looked into that but it seemed like a lot of legwork to to start fresh as a newbie on very short notice. Opted for a similar service where people share their homes for a fee. A compromise.

Molecular Gastronomy Restaurants deserving of Time and Money?

Thanks BacoMan. To answer your last question, this all came up rather suddenly. Ideally we'd like to "save" on funds but gas and lodging is adding up quick. At the same time, this opportunity is very rare for me so I consider quality food an investment for my soul. Budget is not defined other than that we have similar viewpoints on spending, or not spending. If it's one meal a day and I'm in your neck of the woods, then I plan on taking advantage of access to quality food whether it's $3.00 or a worthwhile splurge as you mentioned.

Molecular Gastronomy Restaurants deserving of Time and Money?

Fabulous! Thank you for your thoughtful inquiries to arrive at this conclusion... ; )

Molecular Gastronomy Restaurants deserving of Time and Money?

I would like to compromise between a memorable experience and eating fairly well the entire trip - budget into consideration as general educated splurging. Can you provide a website for AQ? Is this the title or an acronym?

Neither of us would seek ice cream or coffee unless the ice cream is lychee or durian or better yet, fruit few westerners have ever heard of.

We don't need quantity, looking for quality. You mentioned "Get fresh seafood at a number of different places." What places? This is high on my list and I need a FIX! See: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/9687...

Molecular Gastronomy Restaurants deserving of Time and Money?

Thanks for the reply. While I'm located in the midwest, my heart is with places like London where I fell in love with it accidentally when I extended a trip to Europe on a whim until my budget dictated I return.

Traditionalist I am not and my friend is not either. Otherwise I'd not consider all this research in the first place. We like to be exposed to new experiences with creative minds and optimum execution. I was a partner in teaching cooking classes with a classically trained French chef who gained his experience via working around the country. But his stint was many years ago until family required him to stay in one place.

A great steakhouse would serve quality, aged beef cooked to order as Lobel's does. Hence - it might be challenging to find a great steak.

For me, expectations depend on depth of research... hence... the original question.

; )

Molecular Gastronomy Restaurants deserving of Time and Money?

Fresh seafood... keep talking... Mmmmmm

We'll be staying in Oakland for a few days too... ; )

Anywhere from Sebastabol to Santa Cruz... Let me know the "you've gotta eat here" foodie stops and why...

Uni, fresh oysters, goeyduck, abalone, impeccable crab?

Molecular Gastronomy Restaurants deserving of Time and Money?

BacoMan,

That's a good question, when the money could be divided between many, many establishments ie: food trucks, local eateries, places for fresh local seafood, and quality dim sum, and other quality ethnic food for under $10-$20. Plus, on a volunteer budget to serve the public which both of us are, we sacrifice some monetary luxuries.

Am I willing to splurge? Yes, to a certain point so long as I feel confident from feedback that it will be worthy of investment. After all it's an experience in addition to quality of ingredients, execution, and taste.

$248/person would be out of my budget to pay for both of us in one shot.

Molecular Gastronomy Restaurants deserving of Time and Money?

nocharge,

Coming from the midwest, I have not heard of the places you mention. Could you please elaborate on them? What are each of them doing that is "innovative"? What did you like about what they had to offer?

Molecular Gastronomy Restaurants deserving of Time and Money?

Grant was $110 when i was ready to do it. I suspect the prices have gone up since then.

Thank you for the calculations.

Ok... since you obviously have taste and know your way around, what other perhaps non-MG recommendations would you have? You're talking two horticulturalists with a love of the rare and unusual and fresh...?