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Great Restaurant for Group of 16-20

What night are you inquiring about? Location preference? Food type preference? Age range? Type of event: Family / coworkers/ friends / birthday?

about 9 hours ago
pourboi in Ontario (inc. Toronto)

2014 Restaurant and Food Store CHANGES and CLOSINGS

No, the Empire space is not being "gutted" it is being renovated, there is a new patio put in and lots of work fixing up the interior. With the area being at the crossing of 3 subway lines there is no need to drive to the area IMHO especially to visit a restaurant as that usually involves alcohol. Out of any area in the city I think Bay Bloor Yonge is the most suitable for intensification.

about 11 hours ago
pourboi in Ontario (inc. Toronto)

2014 Restaurant and Food Store CHANGES and CLOSINGS

The block around the old Cookbook store (Yonge & Yorkville) seems to be closing up. There is a sign on the Mexican place on Yonge that its last day will be Feb 28th and the Café around the corner on Yorkville beside the already closed vegan Italian place now has its windows papered up.

about 16 hours ago
pourboi in Ontario (inc. Toronto)

American Thanksgiving celebrated on Canadian Chowhound Community Boards Ontario (inc. Toronto)

"veers wildly from the traditional" I guess you don't get to Texas much for Thanksgiving...

http://www.stmaustin.org/smoked-turke...

http://www.centralmarket.com/Blog/Pos...

American Thanksgiving celebrated on Canadian Chowhound Community Boards Ontario (inc. Toronto)

No, someone who is a regular on chowhound and claims to not understand how Smoked Turkey is an appropriate dish to serve on US Thanksgiving seems to be someone who is trying to start a fight...

Quote: estufarian 1 day ago

I love smoked turkey.
But what does it have to do with Thanksgiving?
It's a BBQ item (especially in Texas).

' La Croisee ' - Leaside's new French Bistro with cozy, romantic ambiance and delectable Burgundian Food!

Yes food is the most important but it is not the only consideration you still have to pay the bills. BUT Batifole has a niche.. they were the first in the neighbourhood and do you know how many homes over $800k there are between Danforth and Dundas from Broadview to Jones? There are many families in the area who want to go out for something "not Asian" in the area but don't want to travel downtown. Batifole is part of the community, I would not call it a huge destination restaurant but more like a local gem. The quality may be up and down but when you have been around so long and are a local spot, and treat the locals right, people forgive some inconsistencies. And like Lexi says right now they are back on top of their game. BUT even in the down times low rent makes it so that they can survive...

' La Croisee ' - Leaside's new French Bistro with cozy, romantic ambiance and delectable Burgundian Food!

You answered your own question in your original post: "Rent in that area of town is just too high" BUT rent in the "middle of a run down old China town" is dirt cheap...

LOW overhead goes straight to PROFIT...

My friend just opened Mr. Ciao at Broadview and Gerrard and I can tell you the rent they pay for 2 floors with 40 seat patio and side parking for 8 cars is less than what many people pay for a tiny hole in the wall in the core.

' La Croisee ' - Leaside's new French Bistro with cozy, romantic ambiance and delectable Burgundian Food!

Maybe not now, but when he started at the Monarch Tavern he was smoking and brining all the briskets himself and creating the menu and working the kitchen...

' La Croisee ' - Leaside's new French Bistro with cozy, romantic ambiance and delectable Burgundian Food!

I would say YES Jack Astors and McDonalds, and Wendy's and Milestones have some great chefs... because the people who come up with that food on their menus KNOW the food that their demographic customers want and produce it at the price point they can pay. Now the people who actually cook it are not chefs they are food assembly line workers.. :-)

I did not mean by "experience" the one to one with the customer but more the intelligence of the complete menu, the theme of the food, the style of plating...and how it relates to the feel and décor of the restaurant. Buca is an Italian Restaurant and so is Sotto Sotto but if you switched the two menus to the different rooms I do not think either would succeed. Just like Buca Four Seasons is not a clone of the King St location... different room, different clientele, different atmosphere ... different menu..

' La Croisee ' - Leaside's new French Bistro with cozy, romantic ambiance and delectable Burgundian Food!

That is why there is just not one restaurant in the world (Taco Bell)... everyone has different tastes and perceptions. Things that you like others hate and things you hate others like. Neither is completely wrong people just have different tastes...

' La Croisee ' - Leaside's new French Bistro with cozy, romantic ambiance and delectable Burgundian Food!

A restaurant fails because of bad business practices BUT it is not successful because of good business practices... it is successful because of the food and "experience"... and a lot of that is usually do to the chef..

' La Croisee ' - Leaside's new French Bistro with cozy, romantic ambiance and delectable Burgundian Food!

Oh how could I forget Grant van Gameren at Bar Isabel, Zane @ Caplanskies, Colin Tooke at the Electrics, Robyn Donio & David Haman at Woodlot...

' La Croisee ' - Leaside's new French Bistro with cozy, romantic ambiance and delectable Burgundian Food!

Rob is a Partner in Buca not an employee. Same with David Lee (Carbon was his concept), and I know they both have a lot to do with the business plans and the business success. A chef knowing enough the you need people with deep pockets is a sign that he does have the business smarts.

Susur has had more success when it is him and his wife then when he has "smart business people" running the show i.e New York...

' La Croisee ' - Leaside's new French Bistro with cozy, romantic ambiance and delectable Burgundian Food!

10 years is an eternity in the independent restaurant business...

But some successes: Franks Kitchen run by Chef Frank with his wife running the front of the house, a guy named Susur Lee seems to run some good restaurants with his family, Chef David Lee (along with some business partners) has a pretty good run as well. Same with Rob Gentile and the Buca gang, Lynne Crawford, etc..

Also if a business person with no cooking skill can make a successful restaurant by hiring a good chef then a chef with no business experience can make a successful restaurant by hiring a good business manager.

' La Croisee ' - Leaside's new French Bistro with cozy, romantic ambiance and delectable Burgundian Food!

From my experience, if you cant cover your monthly costs after 3 months chances are you never will as if you don't get that initial opening hype and business from being the new kid on the block you will not get the word of mouth required to build an established clientele.

Also when a place is Owner operated the costs are less as you do not have to pay a Chef and chances are their at home expenses will be less as they will eat at the restaurant many days. The combination of which saves them thousands a month.

American Thanksgiving celebrated on Canadian Chowhound Community Boards Ontario (inc. Toronto)

Leslieville Pumps also served Smoked Turkey for American Thanksgiving...

Plus turkey is served everyday in diners & truck stops across Canada does that mean that everyday is Thanksgiving (or Christmas)?

Looks like you are just trying to pick a fight so I will not reply any more...

American Thanksgiving celebrated on Canadian Chowhound Community Boards Ontario (inc. Toronto)

So you are saying that you do not understand the connection between thanksgiving and turkey? Well it is a traditional dish that people eat on the holiday... It can be cooked many ways roasted , deep fried and even smoked.

Condo dwellers in TO - Eat In - beyond the dross?

Places like the Carlton St Loblaws or the small supermarket under Manulife have great quick to go packaged fresh cooked dishes chose your own protein veg, starch and salad from the shelf or their service counter and you are in and out quick. It adds up to basically the cost of a midrange resto dinner but no muss no fuss.

American Thanksgiving celebrated on Canadian Chowhound Community Boards Ontario (inc. Toronto)

If the restaurant is American themed, it makes sense for them to "celebrate" the holiday... Just like a Brazilian restaurant may do something special at Carnival or a New Orleans restaurant at Mardi Gras. But if you are a French restaurant or even just a Canadian diner there is not reason to celebrate it with a special menu.

Triple A (the owner is my friend - required disclaimer) is doing Smoked Turkey with deep fried brussel sprouts and garlic smashed potatoes on Thursday and will have the ball games on TV. As they are Texas themed it makes sense and have actually had a few calls from local US expats looking for a taste of home as they do not get the day off either.

Authentic southern BBQ spots in TO?

Actually the prices are basically the same between the two places.. Hog Town includes "2 sides" with each dish and sides at Stockyards are $4-$6 .. so the comparable pulled pork would be $18.50. Same with Ribs at Hogtown if you take out $10 for two sides you are down to $20 for the rack which is fair.

Only downside is if you are the type not to get 2 sides with your meal or if you have a big group which would usually share some sides.

Restaurants open on December 25th for dinner in Toronto's Chinatown?

I am assuming you want Chinese food, not traditional Turkey and all the trimmings?

Tortuga rum cakes in GTA?

Small i got is 112g (4oz) .. website says large is 32oz

Tortuga rum cakes in GTA?

I picked one up at the Home Sense on Yonge across from the Eaton Center on Friday. They had small singles, 3-packs and large ones of assorted flavours.

Why are wine stores in grocery stores closing?

That is a bit of a misnomer as they only sold Ontario wines and the wineries pay a huge amount of tax on each bottle before it gets to the store (~50% if I remember correctly).

Interesting for the "Alcohol in Corner stores" debate if a wine Kiosk cannot even make enough money to survive in a well trafficked supermarket.

Any recent experiences at L'Unita and Bar Mercurio? How is Spuntini?

Prima mentioned 3 places.. which one are you talking about?

Not-to-be-missed in Toronto

Splurge in Downtown Toronto would be more in $40 entre range or you would be leaving very hungry.

For seafood there is Pearl Diver on Adelaide St E which is owned by the Guiness Book record holder of the fastest Shucker. This place just changed from being "Starfish" same owner but just rebranded.

The Toronto Wahlburger Makes the Dumb

I would love to go in there and ask them to remove the auto tip from the bill then when I pay to tip them $18 anyway.. just to freak with their mind :-)

Wife planning surprise guys weekend in Toronto

OK my last word: The only Cheap drinks they have is $3 Tequila and one out of the 7 drafts is $5 a pint. All other beer & liquor is standard prices for Toronto (you are again making assumptions with no basis in reality). You had the food 2 times & loved the ribs until you showed up on a busy night during a snow storm. Any place can have an off night especially during extreme weather.

Power sparked because one table took a bunch of snow covered boots and stacked them against the wall and as the snow melted water went into the electrical outlet and shorted it out (remember you were there during a snow storm).

"Run down" you were there 4 months after a full gut renovation. You mistake rustic for rundown it is clear you dislike that style but that is the choice of décor they made. Reclaimed wood, distressed metal, vintage finds on the wall.

I could go on but I have wasted too much time on this already.. so that is my last word.

Wife planning surprise guys weekend in Toronto

justxpete: what was the avg per person cost of BI on your most recent visit including Tax & Tip? it may help the OP.

PS. what you call a "dive bar" others call a "true Texas BBQ joint"... if you travel to Austin sometime you should check some out..

Wife planning surprise guys weekend in Toronto

Blind taste test was also for brisket a year later: Post City Magazine - Winner Best Brisket in Toronto - July 2, 2014: http://www.postcity.com/Eat-Shop-Do/E... (blind taste test by Grant van Gameren & Zane Caplansky )

What assumptions did I make that do not make sense? It seems you are the one picking "one issue" and ignoring the rest of what I said?