I know it's hard for us (Italian, for those new to this conversation) to accept that pizza cuture can also belong to American people, ahhahah!!!! I guess it's because we're stick to what pizza is to us (neapolitan one), but I do respect the history that pizza took in US as well. ...so: are you suggesting me not to try the Staten Island style? :D
wow! I never thought this conversation could intertain me so much... thank you :) There are a lot of bad pizzas in Italy as bad pizzas in NY. Authentic pizza to me is from Neaples, therefore (Pan) from Italy. Yet, I think there are very good new york style pizza that are very tradidional and beloved to newyorkers (I do like it too, even if I'm Italian).
No, alepenazzi, don't do it :D ahahahah!!!!!! I was standing for you!!!!!!!! I only think there are so many different styles. The only "authentic" one is the neapolitan and there are a lot of very good pizzerie all over Italy. I don't think we (as Italian) can compare our tradition to the American's one. For those who were born here, New York style pizza is pizza.
Of course I'm for the Neapolitan one, but we can't say they don't have histoty ;-) They do, of a different pizza style. I recently tried Chicago pizza (I didn't like it), I had New Heaven pizza (decent) and different New York pizzas (Lucali, Grimaldi's, John's). I have my personal opinion about it, but I understand it's part of NY pizza culture.
I completely agree!!!! Authentic pizza is the Neapolitan one, then there are so many others: authentic Chicago Pizza, Authentic New York Pizza, etc... ;-) I know you guys have a pizza history too and even if my favorite is the neapolitan style pizza (the good one, not the $1,99 a slice though!) I do like to eat new york style pizza too: it's just different from "ours" (I'm Italian). Now I really have to try the one from Staten Island!
I actually have to agree with boccalupo... pizza needs an oven to be cooked. In modern times we (I'm Italian as well) all use our home oven, it wasn't so at the time you're referring to ;-) My grandmother used to go to bring her pies to "Il Forno" to let them cook for her (beginning of 1900)... I think that we are arguing for something that is not the real thing. Authentic pizza to me is the one from Naples. That's said, it's true that neapolitan people spread their tradition all over the world. In New York the first immigrant started a "new business" and they completely changed the recipe because they couldn't find the same ingredients here in US. That's why I personally don't consider american pizza (which is another derivation from the first one made by the first immigrants) "authentic". I'm maybe TOO Italian??? ahhah!!!
I guess you're right about not "discovering" anything... I know. To me "authentic" (I just used that word too) means Neapolitan, cause I believe PIZZA (in the way we refer to pizza today) was born in Naples in 1730 ;-) http://www.spizzalapizza.it/History_o...
Hello again, I'm following the discussion since the previous thread :) Well, alepenazzi, this is a good question... when pizza became pizza? We can think of it as as an OLD EGYPT RECIPE (http://www.spizzalapizza.it/History_o...), but to me the real authenic pizza was born in Naples around 18th century, as stated in the article above ;)