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Jack Daniel's is not Bourbon.

That's right, there's an upper proof limit for distillation proof (160 proof/80 % abv) and barrel entry proof (125 proof/62.5 % abv). But no upper limit on the percentage of corn in the mashbill (which is what the earlier conversation was about and what I thought you were referring to earlier today). That's a common misconception, as people misinterpret the minimum 80% corn mashbill needed for corn whiskey as putting a ceiling on bourbon, when the big difference is that corn whiskey is sold unaged or aged in uncharred or used barrels (new charred barrels would make it bourbon, even if the mashbill was over 80% corn).

Sep 15, 2014
oknazevad in Spirits

Jack Daniel's is not Bourbon.

Incorrect, theres no upper limit. If it's over 80% and sold unaged or aged in used barrels it can be sold as corn whiskey, but if it's aged in new barrels it's bourbon. See http://chuckcowdery.blogspot.com/2009...

Sep 15, 2014
oknazevad in Spirits

Jack Daniel's is not Bourbon.

Even more complicated by the fact that "vatted malt" is no longer in use, having been tossed out in favor of "blended malt" in the regulations since 2009.

(And yes, before anyone asks, Scotch whisky consisting of single grain whiskies from multiple distilleries could be labelled "blended grain". But the vast majority of grain whisky in Scotland is used in blends.)

Feb 01, 2013
oknazevad in Spirits

Jack Daniel's is not Bourbon.

No, the "single" is purely about the distillery. The "malt" states the grain. "Single grain" means a single distillery but made from multiple grains, not just one single grain. So the "single" cannot be referring to only one grain used.

Jan 31, 2013
oknazevad in Spirits

Jack Daniel's is not Bourbon.

Well, that's probably true about domestic labeling (though, considering the blatant error they made with the unaged Jack Rye, I think we may give the TTB too much credit). But the main thrust that Jack would clearly know about the NAFTA clause and not have objected (at the least) kinda proves that they know full well that their whiskey is bourbon despite their marketing.

Jan 31, 2013
oknazevad in Spirits

Jack Daniel's is not Bourbon.

No, the "single" in "single malt" is that its all from one distillery. A scotch that is made entirely from malt, but comes from multiple distilleries, is called a "blended malt". ("Single grain", btw, means from a single distillery from multiple grains.)

Jan 31, 2013
oknazevad in Spirits

Jack Daniel's is not Bourbon.

As NAFTA is a treaty and therefore part of federal law, yes the federal government has defined Jack as bourbon. No doubt about that. And if it can be done in Tennessee and still be bourbon, it can be done in Kentucky. Any distinction is pure marketing.

I also don't think the LCP is additive. It may help give a jump start on aging by removing some heavy fusel oils, which the barrel normally does, but that's not additive. The contact isn't long enough to add anything substantial, and the charcoal is too thoroughly burned to have any real flavor. Any perception of sweetness is likely from Jack's very high corn mashbill.

The point of my last paragraph was just to contrast malt whiskey vs bourbon. Don't get hung up on the "single". The main point was that by defining "Tennessee whiskey" as bourbon from Tennessee, a malt whiskey made there would have to identify itself as such, whereas in any other state a malt whisky could just label itself as "Colorado whiskey", for an example actually in use. In other words, it's actually the only case where the simpler label is more restricted in use.

Jan 31, 2013
oknazevad in Spirits

Jack Daniel's is not Bourbon.

Conceivably any whiskey made in Tennessee could be called "Tennessee whiskey", just as a whiskey that is made in Kentucky that doesn't quite fit all the legal definitions of bourbon can be called "Kentucky whiskey" as Early Times is labelled. (Early Times contains some whiskey aged in used barrels, which disqualifies it from being called a straight bourbon, along with some new-barrel-aged straight bourbon. Its made by Brown-Forman, Jack Daniel's parent company).

However, the only legal definitions are in trade agreements (including NAFTA) which legally define it a straight bourbon made in Tennessee. So not only does it seem that a Tennessee single malt wouldn't be able to be called "Tennessee whiskey" without mentioning the single malt nature of it, it means that, despite the title of this thread, Jack Daniels IS bourbon, legally.

Jan 29, 2013
oknazevad in Spirits

Corn Whiskey - Who Drinks This Stuff?

"Peppermint flavored white lightning made from potatoes (HEY, is this Vodka??)"

Not unless it was distilled to 95% alcohol and filtered before adding the mint. Vodka is not made from potatoes, usually, but from grain. Its the really high neutral proof level (before being cut down with water for drinking) that makes it vodka. Potatoes have been used when grain was in short supply, but its not the usual. On a similar note, all bourbon is made from at least 51% corn, but its always aged in first used charred barrels. "Corn whiskey" is reserved for stuff that's at least 80% corn and doesn't have to be aged, but when it is, its in used barrels. (If it's over 80% corn and in new barrels, it's still bourbon).

Jan 23, 2013
oknazevad in Spirits

Jack Daniel's is not Bourbon.

Actually, Prichard's does distill in Tennessee, and calls their one product "Tennessee Whiskey" making it even more complicated, as it appears they don't use the Lincoln County Process, even with the white dog sold under the name of "Lincoln County Lightning".

Sep 24, 2012
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