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Rome. Save me from myself

Very spirited discussion from my topic.
So, some changes.
Drop Perilli and change to Colline Emiliane
Drop Flavio and change to Trattoria Da Cesare

sound better to you guys?

Mar 29, 2013
dsx2000 in Italy

Rome. Save me from myself

Rome will be the last stop after 8 days in Italy. 4 days in Rome to end the trip. Having said that, we arrive a little late in the day so trekking across Rome the first night for Cesare probably isnt going to happen. So, I will put that for our last night in Rome and drop Flavio. Perilli has been well reviewed, so not sure what others in that area would be better?

Mar 27, 2013
dsx2000 in Italy

Rome. Save me from myself

Now I am getting confused again. LOL.
My thought was that they were very similar in food type and prep. But they were both HIGHLY recommended.
Right now.
Day 1: Perilli
Day 2: Monti
Day 3: Pergola
Day 4: Flavio (last night in Italy BTW)

Mar 26, 2013
dsx2000 in Italy

Rome. Save me from myself

Excellent. thank you so much. i will move the days around a bit. we actually have quite a few options for lunches etc.

Mar 25, 2013
dsx2000 in Italy

Rome. Save me from myself

I posted a while back, trying to have time to sort my dinning options out. Here is my Rome dinner schedule. I think its repetitive. anybody out there can confirm this. and make suggestions which to keep, which to drop. thanks
Day 1: Perilli
Day 2: Flavio
Day 3: Pergola
Day 4: Monti

Pergola is a done deal. Thinking the other 3 might be too much of the same food???
thanks.

Mar 25, 2013
dsx2000 in Italy

12 days in Italy. Too ambitious?

I think this helps a lot:

To allow access to the hotels (including bed & breakfast) in the historic center, the managers shall communicate to the city of Bologna, through procedures agreed with the offices in charge, the license plates of customers. In this way the plates are inserted in the list of authorized entry in the LTZ and will not be fined.

For guest parking on the hotel’s road, there is a day pass, available at the facilities, including ATC and daily subscription costs are € 9. The subscription is valid for parking in all pay parking areas (blue lines) of the city (center and outskirts).

Jun 01, 2012
dsx2000 in Italy

12 days in Italy. Too ambitious?

thanks for the great additional info. i think bologna will be awesome thanks to you guys.

Jun 01, 2012
dsx2000 in Italy

12 days in Italy. Too ambitious?

My concern isnt that its too much food in day, we can control that. My bigger concern was repetition. We dont want to go to essentially the same restaurant twice in one day. Additionally time is always an issue when traveling, there are only 24 hours in a day. Sleeping is 8 of those :) Some days we will probably have a 2 hour lunch and watch time go by and relax. Other days, we will want to eat and run on to the next site or whatever. Its good to know how long certain places and types of places take to eat, etc. Great point Octavian, well noted!

I figured parking and ZTLs would be an issue, we are going to stay at places that provide parking either free or for a nightly fee. The ZTL will be a problem though. Its strange that rental cars are not exempt from that.

May 31, 2012
dsx2000 in Italy

12 days in Italy. Too ambitious?

great advice Jen, not so much that we would dine and dash. but more to get an idea. if we know its going to take 1.5 hrs to eat then we will plan accordingly. and if a day we only have a short time, we can get a sandwich and walk in hand. but point well taken.

also, sometimes a big heavy lunch can make you want to take a nap after. leaves less energy to enjoy the day :)

May 31, 2012
dsx2000 in Italy

12 days in Italy. Too ambitious?

Excellent info PBSF. we are probably going to eat there after arriving from Venice.
quick question for you. if you skipped the antipasto and only went with primi how long would you have been there?

May 31, 2012
dsx2000 in Italy

12 days in Italy. Too ambitious?

our last trip was a little unique, 1 day in Florence, lunch in hand. :)

before that was 10 years ago, our wedding. i dont remember a lot of lunches, to be honest. i also dont remember sitting for over an hour to eat. dinners were always fantastic and leisurely. we were also sort of on a budget. we did eat at Da Fiore in Venice which i thought was average at best. La Terraza in Rome was excellent. a lot of great but not memorable meals in between.

this trip we have no budget, money isnt an issue for us. but at the same time $500 for dinner is still $500. which is a night is a 5 star hotel.

May 31, 2012
dsx2000 in Italy

12 days in Italy. Too ambitious?

will definitely grab that book and the iphone app. just need to get a local SIM card so my bill isnt $15,000.00 when i get back to the states :)

May 31, 2012
dsx2000 in Italy

12 days in Italy. Too ambitious?

you guys have been awesome. couldnt have hoped for better advice.

yes, we are going to CUT a lot of the higher end places out and thin down the lunches A LOT. probably going to be too much food and it will start to blur together, especially at 500 a dinner, you want to not be sick after 3 days!

1 question maybe people can help me figure out. apart from the 3 star restaurants, a typical nice(R) place, can you eat in 30mins? usually we would each order a pasta or a soup, no wine. I couldnt see where this would be an issue if we are in and out with only 1 dish each. any thoughts??? some people might suggest we would be missing out on the whole experience, but sometimes, a nice taste of the best is good enough for us.

May 31, 2012
dsx2000 in Italy

12 days in Italy. Too ambitious?

We are trying to thin down the dinner choices, leave some less formal options in there. and some lighter lunches.

the problem i have found with "finding" unknown gems. is that 9 times out of 10, there is a better gem, 2 blocks away that you end up missing b/c you are a tourist and have NO clue.

you wouldnt believe the kind of places that pass for restaurants in SF, if I was hoping to find a good meal on chance and a recommendation from a local, i would miss out on the best SF has to offer.

May 30, 2012
dsx2000 in Italy

12 days in Italy. Too ambitious?

ZTL, you mean traffic controls? No none whatsoever. I have lived here over 20 years, you get to know where and how to drive, park, etc. It can take 10-15 mins to park sometimes.

i will look into other lodging options around Perugia area. maybe easier for 1 home base, etc. thanks, again.

May 30, 2012
dsx2000 in Italy

12 days in Italy. Too ambitious?

thanks for the great advice. We are from San Francisco, so city driving and parking is par for the course! :) But you thoughts are welcome and I will rethink perhaps lodging situations in Bologna and the Cortona/Orvieto/Assisi region. We love the freedom a car brings, you are on your own time table etc. Even if it means spending more money to park etc.

where would you recommend staying around orvieto cortona assisi etc. most of those cities are about an hour more or less from each other?

May 30, 2012
dsx2000 in Italy

12 days in Italy. Too ambitious?

Yeah, so we are arriving at malpensa and driving to Orta, we got married in Orta 10 yrs ago. we will stay 2 nights in Orta, first night will be casual at the hotel, then all day relaxing in Orta. then Al Sorriso for dinner, back to Orta to sleep and then early AM drive to Venice.

May 29, 2012
dsx2000 in Italy

12 days in Italy. Too ambitious?

Thanks for the great advice.

So we wanted to stop in Verona on the way to Venice for lunch, to break up the drive. The Milan to Venice is our only long drive, 4 hours, all the other drives are an hour, 2 hours max. We LOVE to drive in Italy, driving is a fun part of the trip for us. But I can see where others might feel its a chore. Nothing like the autostrada in Spring!

Verona will we look again, for a short meal, stretch the legs, etc.

Venice I would assume most of you would drop Al Covo the 2nd night and do the bar hopping, cicchetti etc? Or forget Gatto Nero?

It seems people are not super keen on Bologna. We have done Florence 3 times, Siena twice. Tired of those places, we wanted a less touristy italian city. I had read good things about Bologna, maybe its not a great place to visit?

I didnt know about Hosteria Giusti, but it might be too much food with Francescana in one day, we prefer Francescana, so we will drop out Giusti.

great tips!!!!

May 29, 2012
dsx2000 in Italy

12 days in Italy. Too ambitious?

We are coming to Italy for 12 days and have a pretty ambitious restaurant list. not sure if the lunch dinner combos are too much, etc. Any thoughts or comments would be appreciated.

Dinner: Al Sorriso over night in Orta

driving to Venice
Lunch in Verona: Il Desco,
Dinner in Venice: Il Ridotto
Lunch in Venice: Gatto Nero,
Dinner in Venice: Al Covo

driving to Bologna
Lunch in Bologna: All'Osteria Botttega or Giampi e Ciccio,
Dinner in Bologna: Serghei or Drogheria Della Rosa
Lunch in Modena: Hostaria Guisti,
Dinner in Modena: Osteria Francescana

driving to Urbino:
Lunch in Urbino: unknown
Dinner in Urbino: osteria da la stella
lunch in Urbania: Osteria del Cucco

driving to Assisi
Dinner in Assisi: la fortezza
lunch in Assisi: Trattoria Degli Umbria

driving to Cortona
dinner in Cortona: Laconda del Loggiato
lunch in Cortona: Pane e Vino

driving to Orvieto
Dinner in Orvieto: I Sette Consoli
lunch in Orvieto: La Palomba

driving to Rome
Dinner in Rome: unknown night 1
Dinner night 2: la terraza
Dinner night 3: la pergola
lunches, TBD, depending on order in which we sight see

May 28, 2012
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