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Mission Heirloom Cafe -- paleo food in N. Berkeley

To think, there might be a day when Camel milk can be bought at Grocery Outlet...

Mission Heirloom Cafe -- paleo food in N. Berkeley

Bone broth, camel milk ($19.99), romesco sauce, soups, stews, and various things in Mason Jars. Oddly enough, located in the former location of a Vegi Life, a [ed. Chinese] vegetarian restaurant that featured straight up gluten--- times change.


2085 Vine St, Berkeley, CA 94710

about 18 hours ago
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Hawker Fare in the Mission [San Francisco]

I didn't say I had a conservative palette!

The gaeng naw mai was as challenging a Laotian or Thai dish as I've had in the Bay Area, including ones made with bile or blood cubes. I liked the pickled bamboo shoots and the quail eggs, but it was too sour and bitter for my liking. YMMV.

GAENG NAW MAI laotian bamboo shoot stew with yanang leaf, straw & wood ear mushrooms, quail eggs $13.

Lily's House now Happy Valley Restaurant? [Lafayette]

Thanks! Their menu is on yelp--- it looks like a Cantonese place : http://www.yelp.com/biz_photos/happy-...

Hawker Fare in the Mission [San Francisco]

I had a mixed experience. I get the sense that I didn't order well, but there were some execution issues too.

I liked the papaya salad. It had an assertive amount of spice, salt, and sourness.

A bamboo and straw mushroom dish ... this isn't for a conservative palette ... I'm curious to hear the opinion of someone more familiar with Thai food.

Kao Mun Ga : the rice was slick from chicken fat, which was great, but it was undersalted and the grains were overcooked and formed a sticky mass. In contrast to the dry pieces of chicken more common for Hainan Chicken Rice in the Bay Area, the chicken breast was saturated and juicy. That was initially a plus, but the meat had a weird texture and felt over tenderized and mushy--- I would guess they used sous vide.

Dragon Beaux opens. [San Francisco]

Friends in the area say it's already swamped. They take limited reservations the night before.

SFBA Dish of the Month (March 2015) - Nominations/Voting

VIndaloo is the March 2015 Dish of the Month!


Vindaloo SFBA Dish of the Month March 2015

After a two and a half year pause, an Indian dish makes it back to Dish of the Month. This time, Vindaloo, a spicy and sour curry dish from Goa.


Choose whatever meat you want, but be on the lookout for Pork Vindaloo, since that's not very common in the Bay Area. To keep things lively, focus on places where you have not eaten Vindaloo before and report back. Bring pictures!

Voting thread:

From NYC: Itinerary for Napa + SF

Citizen cake closed a few years back.

I'm fond of Cindy's lunches. It's nice to sit on their patio near the fig tree

SFBA Dish of the Month (March 2015) - Nominations/Voting


SFBA Dish of the Month (March 2015) - Nominations/Voting


SFBA Dish of the Month (March 2015) - Nominations/Voting

SFBA Dish of the Month (March 2015) - Nominations/Voting


SFBA Dish of the Month (March 2015) - Nominations/Voting

Dish of the Month is an activity where we collectively try as many versions of a dish as possible, reporting back with details and photos. Now is your opportunity to vote on or nominate the March dish. Feel free to include a sales pitch with any nominations!

Click the recommend button to vote for existing nominees. You can change your mind up until the deadline. You can also nominate a new dish by replying to this message, in UPPER CASE, with its name.

Voting ends Sunday, March 1st at 8am.

Previous DOTMs:
Crab cakes : http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/1003842
Roti canai / roti prata : http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/1000724
French Fries: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/997397
Pho Ga: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/994015
Hash : http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/990806
Pupusas: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/987729
Okononiyaki: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/984395
Biscuits and Gravy: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/980976
Falafel : http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/977511
Zongzi aka Chinese tamales: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/974172
Posole : http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/970865
Fish Tacos : http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/967140
Croissants : http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/962041
Shrimp and grits : http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/929654
Jook : http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/926197
Mapo doufu: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/922472
Pie: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/918844
Hamburgers: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/915164
Southeast Asian Fish in Banana Leaf: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/911479
Hummus: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/907615
Breakfast Sandwiches: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/903924
Banh Xeo: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/900476
Wonton Noodle Soup: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/896524
Corned Beef: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/892399
Chilaquiles: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/888740
Dan Dan Mian: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/884466
Tamales: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/880136
Burmese Tea Leaf Salad: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/875767
Whole Chicken Stuffed w/ Sticky Rice: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/871657
Cucumber Pickles: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/866098
Channa Bhatura: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/861176
Asian Fried Chicken: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/856748

Why are they standing in line ?

When you can stream Netflix on your smart phone, waiting in line isn't the boring event it once was (except for brunch, when it's never worth it).

Plenty of long-lined places listed here, though Wise Sons never has a line at dinner time, and they now serve dinner from Tuesday-Sunday.


Traditional Korean in SF?

Sundubu is the only "dirt cheap" thing at My Tofu House anymore and it's $11+. I can't find a current online menu, but seafood pancakes are reportedly $20 and bibimbap was $15+ at the end of 2013:


Who are the best food/restaurant bloggers in SF, and where do they eat?

Do those cookbook sources talk about fancy toppings, or fancy bread too?

I'll concede that Blue Bottle didn't innovate anything-- it seems to me that Josey Baker was the first person whose menu has a variety of "fancy" toasted breads, each paired with its own "fancy" topping. Blue Bottle was just putting fancy toppings on one type of bread. Asia had been doing that too ( the varieties of toasting bread you can get in Asia are mostly white bread with some other crap added for flavoring).

On top of JB's premium price and ingredients, taking away the consumer's ability to choose their own bread and topping combination gives toast more gravitas than we've come to expect for such a common food.

Best current option for Shanghainese anywhere in the Bay Area?

I've not eaten the #205 or #206 or #320 or the West Lake Fish at LS, but trusting other's recommendations on those dishes, this would be my all-star menu to cover lots of ingredients. I'd add in a tofu dish and a vegetable one too--- I can't recall whether they have ma lan tou or chicken feather vegetable. Bring on the salt, sugar, and meat! :

112.Fried puff bean curd with black mushroom
116a Pigs ear w/ five spice sauce
301. Sweet & Sour Spareribs Shanghai Style
Xiao long bao
208. Meatball casserole [Lion's head casserole]
One dish with bamboo shoots maybe 206. Salted pork w/ bamboo shoots casserole or 204. Duck soup w/ bamboo shoots and ham

Zhejiang dishes
Rice cake with ji cai (shepherds purse)
105.Wine Chicken
205. Dong Po Pork

Jiangsu dishes
109. Salted Duck
308. Sauteed prawns Shanghai style [Crystal Shrimp]
311. Wuxi crisp eel
320. Jiao Hua over Chicken (Reservation required) / [Beggar's whole chicken (order in advance)]
West lake whole fish in vinegar

It's a heavy meal already, so instead of getting the pork knuckle or another red braised dish at LS, get the pork shoulder at China Village-- that'll please people who can't handle spice on the remainder of your lessons http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/1006195

Advice appreciated re: Chinese Food 101 class for HS students

The biggest hole seems to be the Central Asian influence on Chinese cuisine, and you can address that with soupcon's suggestion of Terra Cotta Warrior--- once you combine that with noodles at MY China, dumplings at Great China, and some appetizer skewers at Little Sheep, a straight up Islamic Chinese place or Shandong Deluxe won't fill in enough gaps to make them worth prioritizing.

I'll leave some suggestions for dishes at Little Shanghai in your other thread http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/1005926

If you have a syllabus or course materials, those would be super useful for the board to have as references. This blog might be of interest to your students too: http://carolynjphillips.blogspot.com/

Peruvian Chinese is a great idea!

Is 85oC for a snack, breakfast, or a full meal?

For MY China, did you have any theme in mind beyond noodles? The pickle trio is good. The flavors are too similar between the mu shu tacos and the scissor cut noodles, so don't double up. Here are my thoughts on their other dishes: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/8802...

Looking for SF Walking Foodie Neighborhoods

Good suggestions. If Asian bites are of interest, see this thread: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/907997

Something to invest in is Adah Bakalinsky book "Stairway Walks In San Francisco." It's not especially food centric, but may connect between neighborhoods with food interest : http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/9221...

Bec's Bistro Berkeley

The 2nd floor was there when it was Becketts.

House made bagels

An article by Jay Barmann's http://sfist.com/2015/02/25/the_bay_a... reminded me to update this thread.

Add to this list Nopa, Murray Circle at Cavallo Point, bialys at Alta CA (very smoky!), and bialys and bagels at Wise Sons.

Looking for SF Walking Foodie Neighborhoods

Other than excellent views, what are some stopping points in Portrero proper? Plenty in Dogpatch though: Poco Dolce chocolates, Marcella's Lasagneria (M-F daytime only), various places http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/961978 , Neighbor Bakery http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/1002707 , some galleries

Best current option for Shanghainese anywhere in the Bay Area?

Please let us know which dishes your students like there!

The itinerary for your 2007 class http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/380985 sounded like a great experience.

Regional Chinese roundup 2.0

Chi (Taiwanese, Milpitas) replaces Village House (

There were two reports of changes in Shanghai food today:
Happy Valley Restaurant (Unknown style, Lafayette) replace's Lilly's House (Shanghai) http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/1005956
Ma La Taste (Sichuan) replaces North China (SF Inner Richmond)

Lily's House now Happy Valley Restaurant? [Lafayette]

Melanie, I think that number is incorrect – – I tried calling them to get the scoop on the menu, and they said it's a wrong number.

Best current option for Shanghainese anywhere in the Bay Area?

I've not sampled a big swath of a Shanghainese menu in a while. A small meal at Bamboo Garden a few months back was solid http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/7520... . Are there any particular dishes you have in mind? How many students will you be eating with? Price range?

From the list ernie cited above, below is an exhaustive list of Shanghainese places, broken into hopefully useful categories. Keep in mind that some of these places are tiny:

= Not South Bay =
Bamboo Garden (Mountain View)
Bund Shanghai (SF Chinatown)
Dragon 2000 (Shanghai, Sichuan; Walnut Creek)
Dumpling Kitchen (SF Parkside)
Fey Restaurant (Menlo Park)
Five Happiness (SF Inner Richmond) (recently renovated)
Lily's House (Lafayette)
Little Shanghai (San Mateo) (perhaps the widest variety of dishes outside the South Bay, and generally do a good job. The menu is bilingual, but here are some cheat sheets for further decoding the menu: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/7261... )
Lulu's Kitchen (Concord)
North China (SF Inner Richmond)
Sha Bistro (Fremont)
Shanghai Delight (Milpitas)
Shanghai Flavor (Fremont)
Shanghai House (SF Outer Richmond)

= South Bay =
Ruby KC House (Milpitas)
Shanghai Dumpling (Cupertino) http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/923572
Shanghai Family Restaurant (Cupertino) http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/750696
Shanghai Flavor Shop (Sunnyvale)
Shanghai Garden (Cupertino)
Shanghai Kitchen (Shanghai, Milpitas)

= The best, but presumably out of your price range =
Jai Yun (SF Chinatown; the chef is from Nanjing and only offers a multi-course menu)

= I wouldn't trek across the Bay for these again =
Happy Cafe (San Mateo)
Old Shanghai (SF Inner Richmond)
Panda Dumpling (San Carlos, Shanghainese chef with a few items)
Rice Valley (SF Sunnyside)
Shanghai Dumpling King (SF Outer Richmond and Sunnyside)
Shanghai Dumpling Shop (Millbrae) / Xiao Long Bao Kitchen (South San Francisco)
Shanghai Restaurant (Oakland, Chinatown)
Su Hong (Palo Alto)

Best Sashimi-Grade Fish in SF (or along the BART)?

Sun Fat seafood in the Mission near 24th

Not ideal, but Berkeley bowl isn't too far from ashby bart

Inexpensive and small wedding desserts

Thanks for all the suggestions!

We're gonna go with mini TCHO chocolates, fortune cookies, and Mission Minis--- we were able to pick flavors that tested well after sitting out for 5 hours. Blueberries & cream, meyer lemon, salted caramel, and horchata were the best. They do set and up delivery, and that was a huge plus.

But I did do some taste tests:

Donut Savant : fantastic and tasted good after sitting out for a few hours. If delivery weren't an issue, these would be a contender. Prices are reasonable.

Oasis Market : I missed my window to sample their specialties. On a early February Saturday morning, their display cases were filled with generic looking American pastries! Most of the good stuff was baking in the back, presumably to be set out later. Pistachio baklava were disappointing compared to what I've had there in the past. Fresh pita made it worth the trip though.

Chef-created Chinese Dishes

Some updates...

Lou Bustamante noticed a trend in baos:


The baos at Liholiho are the bomb: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/1003...

Oakland's La Snackeria has had char siu bao, quesadillas and maybe tamales. Anyone tried them?: https://www.facebook.com/lasnackeriaoak

Beans and Bites in Palo Alto has dan dan and zha jiang sandwiches: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/999730

Nothing on the State Bird Provisions' current menu sounds very Chinese, but when I was there in Summer 2014, there were several Chinese influenced dishes.