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Eleven Madison Park is still the NYC Champ

Anyone know the price range for dining at the bar at EMP? Per Se publishes their Salon menu daily.

For example, how much would the lavender duck cost?

Sep 19, 2014
deepfry7 in Manhattan

Rib Eye Cap, A La Carte

I just saw this on a menu at Prime 112, the "top" steakhouse in Miami. They actually serve a 10 oz. rib eye cap, or spinalis dorsi. FYI, it's $48.

I didn't think any restaurant would sell it a la carte and in such a big format. I know a couple of tasting menu restaurants like Per Se and Momofuku Ko will serve it - but that's just like a 2 oz. or less portion.

Just curious - anybody know of any NYC restaurant that actually sells the rib eye cap?

Aug 23, 2014
deepfry7 in Manhattan

Alex Stratta Coming Back to LV

OK, looks like he's partnering up with a chain restaurant company.


Let's just hope he gets the first ship right before opening the others.

Aug 10, 2014
deepfry7 in Las Vegas

Alex Stratta Coming Back to LV


>> Pioneering Strip fine dining chef Alex Stratta is creating a new Italian steakhouse concept set to open at the Gramercy, the retail, dining and residential development opening this fall at the 215 and Russell Road. Expect fresh pasta, flatbreads from a wood-burning oven and a raw bar at approachable prices.

Never got to go to Restaurant Alex at the Wynn before it closed. I'm from NYC and he came briefly at Bigoli (never went), but he had left the restaurant in March 2012 (there for just over a year). I hope he does well here.

Aug 10, 2014
deepfry7 in Las Vegas

Food blog recommendations

>> I don't care if there is only a single dish that they make really good as I can just pick it up.

Perhaps you should try some of the restaurants/dishes in the thread, Best Dishes 2014. We have some very good eaters on this board.


mandarian oriental reservations?

It wasn't loading properly when I tried when it opened up at midnight New York time. I got as far as where it shows what room types are available (I picked a weekday).

It's pretty/very lame that the dinner reservations come with a mandatory stay at the hotel. Also, very hard to score a 4-top since it would require 2 people to SUCCESSFULLY book on the same day. Very low odds.

Jun 23, 2014
deepfry7 in Japan

Which Hotel Has the Best Restaurant Portfolio?

I didn't think Caesar's was a strong contender but I still included it. When you have a 2 to 3-star Michelin quality restaurant in your complex which is considered by many to easily in the top 5 (some #1 or #2) fine dining restaurants in Vegas, you should be on the list.

If Kevin Durant is on your team, you're a contender for the NBA Finals.

Jun 17, 2014
deepfry7 in Las Vegas

Which Hotel Has the Best Restaurant Portfolio?

I thought this would be a fun discussion. I'm not sure if this has been asked before (I tried searching).

You could go with the "island" test - you're on an island and you get the entire fine dining portfolio (no casual restaurant/buffet) of one hotel, which one do you pick? Or just what hotel you think has the highest overall total of your "star" (newspaper-like 1-4 star) ) ratings.

The contender hotels, in alphabetical order, and their notable restaurants. Note that I purposely excluded Wynn/Encore as it's not in the same league as these 6. They stopped trying after Alex closed.

1. Aria
American Fish, bar Masa, Jean Georges Steakhouse, Julian Serrano, Sage

2. Bellagio
Le Cirque, Michael Mina, Picasso, Prime Steakhouse

3. Caesars
Guy Savoy, Rao's, Nobu, Mesa Grill

4. Cosmopolitan
Blue Ribbon, China Poblano, Comme Ca, Estiatorio Milos, Jaleo, e by Jose Andres, Scarpetta

5. MGM
Joel Robuchon, L'Atelier, Hakkasan, Craftsteak, Emeril's

6. Venetian/Palazzo
AquaKnox, Carnevino, Table 10, B&B, CUT, Bouchon, db Brasserie, Delmonico

While Venetian/Palazzo may not have the best 2-3 restaurants on this list, I like their list overall.

Jun 14, 2014
deepfry7 in Las Vegas

NYC Fine Dining Reading List

I don't know of any exhaustive literature. I believe the NY Public Library now has a section on historical menus.

To get the ball rolling for discussion. CHers - correct me if I'm wrong.

The earliest fine dining restaurants in NYC were actually steakhouses, like Delmonico's. I remember this Eater recap on some of them.


Note that I'm only in my mid-30's so this is not first-hand knowledge. This is from what I've read about food and listened in interviews with great chefs/restaurateurs. My general summary (apologies if it's slightly off):

Steakhouses & French restaurants dominated NY fine dining until the 70's. You'll hear the top French names like Lutèce, Caravelle, La Côte Basque, and Le Cirque.

Then in the 80's, you had more "American" restaurants come into the scene like the Quilted Giraffe and Gotham. Bouley was late 80's I believe. Also, Mondrian, Cafe Luxembourg, and the Odeon were really popular apparently too. Union Square Cafe, Danny Meyer's first restaurant, opened in 1985.

90's came Eric Ripert taking over Le Bernardin and Daniel Boulud leaving Le Cirque to open up Restaurant Daniel. Jean Georges opened up his flagship in 1997 where he brought in Asian ingredients/influences into French cuisine. Also, there was the rise of the Danny Meyer empire (Gramercy Tavern).

Mario Batali opened up Po in 1993 and I believe the forefront for elevating Italian cuisine to the fine dining map. Then he partnered with Joseph Bastianich to open up Babbo in 1998 and expanded their empire throughout the 2000's and this decade (i.e. Eataly). Michael White and his empire should be mentioned but this is more recent. Note that I don't count Rao's as a restaurant - it's a private club.

Per Se and Masa opened in 2004 in Time Warner Center becoming the two of the most expensive restaurants in NYC/US. EMP only grew towards the top of fine dining at the end of the 2000's.

With the late 2000's and recession, there was a movement towards more casual fine dining being the hottest tickets in town. Spotted Pig and Momofuku empire come to mind.

Other topics to research:

Japanese/sushi. I believe Hatsuhana was the top dog in the 80's. Nobu opened up his NY outpost in 1993.

Power lunches. I'm looking at you, Four Seasons.

Modernist. wd~50 opened up in 2003 and is closing at the end of the year. Corton opened up in 2008 and closed in 2013. Atera opened up in 2012. I consider EMP leaning towards modernist too.

Rise of Brooklyn. Saul was considered the top fine dining restaurant in Kings County for many years. Cesar Ramirez of Chef's Table at Brooklyn Fare put Brooklyn on the national/global radar in 2010. Now there are many upper tier restaurants, although they don't have the upscale decor like Manhattan ones.

Counter seating. I guess this could be related to the rise of "casual" fine dining and Japanese influence. Momofuku Ko, Chef's Table, L’Atelier de Joël Robuchon (now closed), Atera, and Blanca come to mind.

Women exec chefs. April Bloomfield, Anita Lo, Missy Robbins, Alex Raij, Gabrielle Hamilton, and Amanda Cohen. Unfortunately, their rise is generally all only within the last 10 years or so.

Jun 14, 2014
deepfry7 in Manhattan

Princeton's elements - planning relocation


Any Chowhounders going before Elements 1.0 closes?

Jun 09, 2014
deepfry7 in New Jersey

Decoy (Redfarm)

>> the Peking duck respectable enough to be one of the top 2 in NYC...

Just curious - who's the other contender for best Peking duck, in your opinion.

May 21, 2014
deepfry7 in Manhattan

Ivan Ramen

I concur with silencespeak. Had the pork garlic mazeman and thought it was excellent.

The kewpie prawns dish wasn't that notable. Definitely want to try the chicken liver/heart and braised ox tongue apps next time.

May 11, 2014
deepfry7 in Manhattan

The Gotham 30 Menu Series feat. Thomas Keller

Thanks for the report! Yea, I was also looking at the series, but never pulled the trigger to reserve. Some of the heavy hitters in the industry there.


I wonder if the guest chefs are actually there for the entire week. I assume they have other restaurants to run. Ha.

Apr 19, 2014
deepfry7 in Manhattan

Best Dishes 2014

Can you describe the Tuscan fried chicken at Lincoln?

Apr 02, 2014
deepfry7 in Manhattan

Restaurants with tasting menus allowing 10:30pm seatings (preferably near theater district)

Le Bernardin? Esca? I would try and be considerate and say you're willing to try and finish by say 1ish.

Scanning this list below (just needed a rough guide of top restaurants - yes I know it's outdated), there really aren't that many restaurants in the area that have a tasting menu.


Mar 25, 2014
deepfry7 in Manhattan

Daniel. Yes or no?

One would hope that after the downgrade by Pete Wells, they'd get their act together.

I had a pleasant experience at Daniel the one time I went (many years ago), but CH is full of threads listing their bad experiences. Might be just the repeated comments by the few (not saying that's bad), but you don't really hear this from EMP, Per Se, Le Bern, and Jean Georges

Mar 14, 2014
deepfry7 in Manhattan

Per Se: Wonderful, but no longer magical

Yea, $600 food alone - that's the same as EMP and BK Fare... COMBINED (including tip/service).

I remember paying like maybe $425-450 total (excluding alcohol) for the extended tasting at TFL a couple of years ago, albeit TFL is slightly less expensive in general than Per Se.

Mar 11, 2014
deepfry7 in Manhattan

Per Se: Wonderful, but no longer magical

If you ask for the extended tasting, they'll most likely move your reservation earlier to accommodate. No one else will be sitting at your table before-hand. The scatter the reservation times to help the kitchen align to a "perfect" meal.

Mar 11, 2014
deepfry7 in Manhattan

Per Se: Wonderful, but no longer magical

ellenost - was the $600 excluding alcohol (but I assume including service and tax)?

Mar 11, 2014
deepfry7 in Manhattan

Per Se: Wonderful, but no longer magical

My first Per Se experience was with the regular tasting menu and thought it was one of the best meals. Then a couple of years later, I was "spoiled" by my extended tasting menu dining at French Laundry, which was just out of this world with so many more interesting canapes/small bites and dishes with luxury items. I doubt I'd ever go back for a TFL/Per Se regular menu again if it's my own idea to go.

I'd rather go back to BK Fare for the price of a Per Se regular menu (even slightly cheaper b/c who doesn't get the foie supplement at Per Se?). Or fly to eat at Alinea or Saison. :)

Mar 11, 2014
deepfry7 in Manhattan

Large Mixology Bar - 8 People on a Thurs

Thanks everyone!

Kathryn - I looked up ECC too. Couldn't tell from the pictures how big it was.

Mar 11, 2014
deepfry7 in Manhattan

Large Mixology Bar - 8 People on a Thurs

I have some friends from out of town that want to go to a "trendy" cocktails/mixology spot (a la PDT, Death & Co.)

Any spots that would be a little more favorable (size-wise) to a group of say, 8 people, on a Thurs night after work? I could only think of Dead Rabbit.

Mar 11, 2014
deepfry7 in Manhattan

Dean's Tribeca closed

Yea, I'm really bummed out by that too. Dean's was great for takeout when I had company over with no real dinner plans - just order a bunch of pizzas and family-style pastas & salads. I've been enjoying the Patsy's/Dean's/Angelo's pizza spots since college.

Unfortunately, still no good Chinese restaurant (I'd kill for one). This is what is coming:


China Blue is on Seamless. I'll give it a try one day. I hear mixed things.

Mar 07, 2014
deepfry7 in Manhattan

Chef Christian Delouvrier at La Mangeoire

I now work in midtown east nearby and was considering going. Has anyone been recently? I know of Christian Delouvrier's top accolades in the 80's and 90's but is he now just "settled" at a traditional French bistro-type food? It actually might be quite refreshing contrast from the top-gun type chef/cooking going around these days (not that there's anything wrong with that).

Mar 04, 2014
deepfry7 in Manhattan

Lobster Pot Pie at Pearl Oyster Bar -- Yowzers!

Just checked out their FB and you're spot on. Thanks, as usual, kathryn.

Mar 01, 2014
deepfry7 in Manhattan

Lobster Pot Pie at Pearl Oyster Bar -- Yowzers!

Anybody know if the lobster pot pie came back this winter or planning to come back?

Mar 01, 2014
deepfry7 in Manhattan

Little Elm

Has anyone been? I looked at reviews for The Elm on Yelp and there's only one real mention of it of some person who went on Valentine's Day. I did a search on Chowhound and didn't really find anything.

Ryan Sutton would be disappointed that they don't post the menu price online. Older news reports from Grubstreet and the like say ~$135.

Mar 01, 2014
deepfry7 in Outer Boroughs

Any transplants from LA to SF (or vice versa I suppose) that would enjoy a discussion of food/restaurant theory?

I'm an east-coaster, but have enjoyed dining in both cities, especially at the high-end level.

In terms of restaurants that can compare to SF's 2/3-star Michelins, I would say definitely Providence's chef's tasting is in the same league as those restaurants.

Other LA restaurant almost similar price range would be Saam at the Bazaar, Melisse, and the new "super omakase" at Orsa & Winston. O&W isn't quite up there yet (it's still new), but I think it could get to 2-star equivalent level. And SF doesn't have a sushi restaurant that's like Urasawa, which if one thinks is on the level of Masa in NYC, is 3-star equivalent.

Dishes at restaurants in the lower price range can be just as good or if not better than the $180-300 tasting menus. But what you're also paying for at the most expensive places is related to decor, service, more expensive/esoteric ingredients (truffles, seafood from Japan, high-end beef), effort, more # of courses, and kitchen costs/labor to covers ratio. How is Saison going to pay for it's multi-million dollar kitchen if it serves only 50 people/day (just a guess)? Doesn't necessarily mean these restaurants all produce better tasting food. They are often relatively unique/interesting, in an artistic sense, though.

I feel like one could make some sort of discussion about NYC vs Chicago. A lot of Chicago's most well-known restaurants are modernist, and NYC only really has wd-50 (to somewhat mixed reviews). Luckily for us, each city has its own personality of types of restaurant. And that's what makes it fun (to travel).

James Beard Semi-Finalists 2014 - Outstanding Restaurant

Thanks GH1618 - I had forgotten it was 10 years (thought it was 5 years).

Per Se just hit 10 years, but probably didn't hit the criteria by the deadline. They won outstanding service a couple of years back.

I remember seeing this list below which I thought was pretty good for best fine dining restaurants in the US.


I was surprised how few restaurants on this list are 10 years or older.

Feb 19, 2014
deepfry7 in Food Media & News

James Beard Semi-Finalists 2014 - Outstanding Restaurant

I know a lot of these awards have their flaws, but does it seem like today's list of semifinalists for outstanding restaurant seem a little "weak"? If I never saw this list and saw any of these restaurants win it in May, I'd be very surprised.

I obviously haven't dined in all the cities, but for the major cities that I've been to/dined in/researched (NYC, SF, LA, Chicago, Philly, DC, Boston), I don't think even the local CHers would consider any of these restaurants as the top in their city.

I mean no disrespect to any of these owners,, chefs, and employees - I've been to some of these restaurants and have enjoyed meals there. But they are not the best restaurant in the US.


Outstanding Restaurant

Bern's Steak House, Tampa, FL
Canlis, Seattle
The Fearrington House Restaurant, Pittsboro, NC
Fore Street, Portland, ME
Foreign Cinema, San Francisco
Fork, Philadelphia
Greens, San Francisco
Hamersley's Bistro, Boston
Hearth, NYC
Highlands Bar and Grill, Birmingham, AL
Jaleo, Washington, D.C.
Mélisse, Santa Monica, CA
Pearl Oyster Bar, NYC
Pizzeria Bianco, Phoenix
Primo, Rockland, ME
The Slanted Door, San Francisco
Spiaggia, Chicago
Terra, St. Helena, CA
Vidalia, Washington, D.C.
wd~50, NYC

Feb 19, 2014
deepfry7 in Food Media & News