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Which Compressor-Style Ice Cream/Gelato Maker is Best?

FYI Sweet Home somewhat recently ran a special on the best ice cream maker, and chose the Whynter SNO:

However, I'm disappointed that they didn't even try the Lello 4080 Musso Lussino, dismissing it out of hand for its price. I'd love to see an actual head-to-head comparison of the Whynter SNO and Lello 4080 Musso Lussino.

Aug 14, 2014
skywalkerswartz in Cookware

Which Compressor-Style Ice Cream/Gelato Maker is Best?

I did indeed end up getting the Musso Lussino. Alas, I don't have any other compressor machines to compare it with, but it is a *dream*. The smoothest frozen desserts I've ever had—highly recommended.

Mar 23, 2014
skywalkerswartz in Cookware

Which Compressor-Style Ice Cream/Gelato Maker is Best?

So far I've been able to find the following comparisons online: prefers Delonghi GM6000 to Cuisinart ICE 50 (or is it 100?

) prefers Lello 4080 Musso Lussino to Lello 4070 Gelato Junior or Cuisinart ICE-50BC

Based on this, and pouring over individual reviews online (Amazon, etc.) I'm leaning towards the Musso Lussino (despite its cost). If anyone knows of a model which produces better ice cream than the Lussino, let me know!

Dec 05, 2013
skywalkerswartz in Cookware

Which Compressor-Style Ice Cream/Gelato Maker is Best?


I am looking to make some delicious homemade ice cream and gelato, and have decided to go for a compressor-style machine (i.e. with built-in refrigeration).

The following seem to be the main home-sized units available in the US:

- Lello 4070 Gelato Junior ~$230
- Lello 4080 Musso Lussino ~$680 (highly recommended but does it produce a superior product to these other models?)
- Lello 4090 Gelato Pro ~$350
- Cuisinart ICE-50BC Supreme (discontinued, used to be ~$300, rec'd by David Lebovitz)
- Cuisinart ICE-100 (newer version of 50--is it better?), ~$300
- Whynter IC-2L SNÖ ~$250 (recommended by Cook's Illustrated but the only other compressor model they considered was ICE-50)
- Whynter ICM-15LS ~$280 (not sure why it costs more since it looks worse than the IC-2L)
- DeLonghi GM6000 ~$300 (recommended by several Chowhounds)
- Breville Smart Scoop BCI600XL ~$380

Is there anyone out there who has tried more than one of these and can compare the quality of the ice cream / gelato they produce? Am I missing some other option?

Nov 23, 2013
skywalkerswartz in Cookware

Paris: traditional, ideally family-run/market-driven bistros? (like La Grille used to be)

Thank you for the tips (especially about restaurants that I should cross off my list!)

mangeur, excellent point about going to a fromagerie for a cheese experience!

Ptipois, to clarify I'm not exclusively looking for a mom-and-pop place, although I'm leaning towards more traditional (e.g. the "modern bistros" that do "updated classics" as opposed to wild, new--delicious but not traditional French--concoctions).

Also, you mention L'Assiette but David Lebovitz wrote a pretty damning review--do you disagree with him?

For what it's worth, thanks to your help, I think I've figured out everything but Sunday evening, always a tricky time since so many places are closed. Here are my contenders now:

- Les Fines Gueules (1e
)- Café des Musées (3e)
- L'Auberge Bressane (7e)
- Le Verre Volé (10e, although perhaps not so traditional)
- Petit Marguery (13e)
- Père Claude (15e)

Any further thoughts/tips for Sunday dinner in Paris?

Jun 02, 2013
skywalkerswartz in France

Paris: traditional, ideally family-run/market-driven bistros? (like La Grille used to be)


I am headed to Paris in a few weeks and looking for a few delicious meals.

My ideal place would be something like "This out-of-the-way bistro is run by a husband-and-wife team who pour love into local, fresh ingredients to make a hand-written, daily-changing menu that often includes the best version of French classics in Paris"

- Traditional French/ understanding is that there is no such food as "Parisian" (at least not in the sense that Rome has cacio e pepe, amatriciana, coda alla vaccinara, etc.) but that typical Parisian food includes classics from the French culinary pantheon
- Fresh/local/market-driven (if possible)
- Possibly great regional cuisine (Auvergnat, etc.)
- Family-run (if possible...the food is more important than this, but I think family-run places often show a certain pride/ownership and love of cooking sometimes lacking in more "commercialized" ventures)
- *Not* looking for haute cuisine (e.g. L'Arpège, Alain Ducasse au Plaza-Athéné, Le Cinq)...not that I have anything against it, but since it is my girlfriend's first time in France I'd like to show her more traditional (as opposed to "fancy"/"innovative") French dishes
- *Not* looking for fusion (for same reason, which probably rules out Ze Kitchen Galerie and possibly Le Comptoir du Relais)
- Location doesn't matter (willing to schlep to outer arrondissements for good food, although much beyond the Périphérique might be pushing it)
- Price doesn't matter (although I'd probably balk at >€100/person, only haute cuisine places are at that price and I'm not considering them this trip)
- Service/ambiance doesn't matter; we're there for the food (although homey/nice/romantic are all a plus)

I was very excited about La Grille, Chez René, Robert et Louise, and La Régalade, which at one time apparently met my "ideal" description, and apparently still have pretty good food, but La Grille's owners retired, Chez René was apparently ruined by Bordain, Robert passed away, and Yves Camdeborde no longer runs La Ré they appear to have lost their magic.

Places that are high in consideration include:
- Les Fines Guelles
- Pirouette
- Frenchie
- Les Papilles
- L'Epigramme
- La Marlotte
- Epi Dupin
- Au Pied du Fouet
- Le Crom'exquis
- Le Petrelle
- Le Casse Noix
- Jadis
- Pere Claude
- L'Entredgeu
- Hier et Aujourd'hui
- La Biche au Bois (although it's not game season so maybe bad timing)
- Au Trou Gascon (for Gascony regional cooking)
- Breizh Cafe (for Brittany regional cooking)
- L'Ambassade d'Auverge (although maybe Le Florimond or La Ferrandise or L'Avant Goût have better Auvergne regional cooking?)
- Mon Vieil Ami (for updated Alsace region cooking)
- Astier (mostly for the cheese course)
- Paul Bert (or similar carnivorous places like Severo)
- Cafe Les Rosiers (a friend recommended this old-school place, but I haven't found any substantive reviews anywhere...anyone been?)

We've already got reservations at Terroir Parisien (to try the "locavore" scene), L'ami Jean (for southwest/basque cooking and because of rave reviews on this forum), and Pavillon Henri IV (an old traditional restaurant in Saint Germain-en-Laye, where we're doing a day trip)...and tentatively are also headed to Joséphine Chez Dumonet (for its famous foie gras/confit de canard/bœuf bourguinon, and yes I'm aware of the controversy about whether or not their service is authentic bistro or unusually rude, and whether or not their food is authentic traditional or unusually plain)

(My detailed notes, which might be of interest to others, are here:


Any tips?

May 31, 2013
skywalkerswartz in France

Cheap Eats Bangkok

It looks like Curt's website is down, but you can still check out his great Google Map:

Anyone been to Silom Thai Cooking School?

YES--I just finished a class yesterday. Sanusi Mareh, the instructor, crams a dozen students into his house after a trip through the nearby market. He's a trip--hilariously catty. We made a bunch of dishes, including from-scratch green curry, pad thai, and tom yum soup, all of which were delicious. It's not a terribly "professional" cooking class (some of the more experienced/older chowhounds might turn up their noses at it), but it's a lot of fun.

Kid/Baby-Friendly Places in SF?


Can anyone provide some ideas on kid- or baby-friendly places in San Francisco?

I've pored over the boards, and I've found the following related threads, but I haven't found one that gives a comprehensive look at restaurants in SF that are good for families/kids/babies:

Baby friendly East Bay:
Kid friendly East Bay:
Family friendly in Palo Alto:
Kid friendly in Marin Coutny:
Family friendly near Embarcadero:
Toddler friendly in Bernal Heights, etc:

Although I'm looking to find out resources for families in general, here's my specific problem I'm trying to solve:

- Saturday night dinner (probably early, ~6 PM
)- Around a dozen people
- At least one toddler (~14 months old)
- Moderately priced (less than or not much over $30 a person, not including drinks)
- In SF (most of the dinner guests live in the City)
- Somewhat reasonable parking (since a few folks are driving from the Peninsula)
...thankfully everybody likes lots of different kinds of food

Thanks in advance for all your help! I'm a native San Franciscan who recently moved back after about a decade elsewhere, so Chowhound has been a great resource!

Seeking authentic Roman cuisine and Ambiance: Please advise

Planetjanet, what about the gelato (apart from Tre Scalini)? I love del Teatro myself...

Oh, and while I haven't tried Trattoria Monti, I'm told that it focuses more on Le Marche cuisine than Roman.

For your next trip, I recommend checking out Da Felice's in Testaccio. It's a bit of a schelp (although ~walking distance from the Pyramide metro stop) but well worth it for a lot of great traditional Roman dishes, including the best cacio e pepe I've ever had. Oh, and fantastic tiramisu!

The rest of the restaurants I like or which have been recommended to me in Rome (note: not all of them "authentic Roman") are listed here:

Although I haven't been to many of the restaurants mentioned so far, you certainly can't go wrong with Katie Parla's recommendations--she certainly knows her stuff!

Nov 06, 2010
skywalkerswartz in Italy

SF: Cafe Prague - Czech, please

Note that Cafe Prague's Mission location may be closed, but their Financial District location, which used to be on Pacific, has moved to 424 Merchant St., about a block east of the Transamerica Building. They appear to be open...

Spending $443.48 on Dinner at Whole Foods

It's a quibble, but also the quip in the first paragraph should read "la cucina rica" (not "rico"), since in Italian (like in Spanish) adjectives inflect to match the gender of their nouns.

As for the article in general, I agree that in the end one is left wondering: "So what?"

Nov 05, 2010
skywalkerswartz in Features

Authentic Neapolitan Style Pizza

SteveG and hmruthi: Please note that "classic" pizza margherita *is* made with fior di latte (i.e. cow's milk mozzarella) rather than mozzarella di buffala (i.e. buffalo milk mozarella). The reason for this is that good, fresh mozzarella di buffala has a lot of liquid, which tends to drench the pizza. That's not to say that you can't get (and enjoy) good pizza which either has small amounts of cooked mozzarella di buffala or fresh mozzarella added after the pizza comes out of the oven (both of which are often called a "D.O.P." pizza, named after the Italian system of protecting the provenance of the cheese), but it's not the classic taste. If you both liked the D.O.P. better than the classic margherita, that's great, but it's just a different dish--not necessarily "inferior ingredients." I've had and enjoy both!

Authentic Neapolitan Style Pizza

I recently moved from Naples (you can see my favorite pizzerie at and tried Gialina. They have very good, innovative pizzas but, as mdg points out, it is a rather--in fact, I would say extremely--loose interpretation of "Neapolitan style." The main difference is that the crust is much harder/crunchier than you would find at any Naples pizzeria--a bit closer to the Roman style, in fact (which is more like a cracker).

Gialina probably calls it "Neapolitan style" to distinguish it from New York or Chicago style pizza, but I wouldn't recommend it for someone wanting an "authentic" Naples-style pizza.