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Waterless cookware

Your second link is hilarious, especially the bragging about the pans being "temperature resistant". That's a good thing?

about 8 hours ago
kaleokahu in Cookware

Copper Sauciers - Falk vs. Matfer Bourgeat

Hi, Robert:

Google Image "Matfer Bourgeat saucier" and you will find several good photos. I would pick this over the Falk because of the handles. But poor you, having such a choice!

Aloha,
Kaleo

about 8 hours ago
kaleokahu in Cookware

Magnalite

Hi, coochaloo:

Good score! Polish with Flitz, then let the finish passivate naturally.

Aloha,8
Kaleo

1 day ago
kaleokahu in Cookware

Mistakes, I've made a few

Not technically a mistake (given its price and non-culinary uses), but I've never put my 12-gallon copper stockpot to its intended use.

My biggest mistake was amassing--and persisting to cook in--many pieces of LC under the delusion that it's first-rate cookware.

2 days ago
kaleokahu in Cookware

Consumer Reports Investigates Exploding Pyrex

And sometimes it just happens, even if you follow all the instructions. Buyer beware.

Brilliant above, taking the reporter of firsthand experience to task for inaccurately estimating the pieces of shrapnel.

2 days ago
kaleokahu in Cookware
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Summer 2014 Yard/Estate/Tag Sale Scores

August update: Saturday Wahine spotted a huge, pristine set of Royal Doulton "Grantham" at a junk shop. $120 for TEN full place settings, plus platters, serving bowls, etc., etc. We knew nothing about the pattern, but jumped anyway, mostly based on the fact that it all looked completely unused.

I checked on both Replacements.com and Chinasearch, and learned this pattern was produced from 1934-1964. The teacup and saucers alone are going for $25/pr.

These will replace the mishmash at the beach house, and at that price, we won't feel too bad if any are broken.

Aug 18, 2014
kaleokahu in Cookware

A Personal Announcement

Hi, Jacq:

Congrats and thanks for all your hard work.

Dealing with the hubris of--and prima donnas at--law school should be cake after dealing with all of us.

From one lawyer to another: May you only pass one bar ever again.

Aloha,
Kaleo

Aug 18, 2014
kaleokahu in Site Talk
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Best pots/pans?

Hi, MG:

You've gotten a lot of good advice so far, so I'll keep it to a point no one's addressed--"demanding" upkeep for copper.

I have about 50 pieces, maybe 15 of which I use regularly. I only polish 2-3x/year. This is the bright, mirror polish, and this *is* some work, if you must have that look.

However, you can attain about an 80% effect with very little effort using Barkeeper's Friend. If this "lightly-brushed" look is acceptable to you, don't give upkeep another thought. You still must hand wash, though.

"Best" usually carries with it some extraneous concepts, e.g., convenience, aesthetic, status, etc. If you focus exclusively on performance, it's hard to go wrong choosing thick copper or very thick aluminum.

Aloha,
Kaleo

Aug 18, 2014
kaleokahu in Cookware
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Harsch Crock water seal problems

Hi, tadaki:

Sure, I meant that the water in the crock's gutter may be leaking through a fine crack--via gravity and/or capillary action. You should have positive pressure while fermenting, and unless you have very wide temperature *and* atmospheric pressure swings, I doubt you're pulling a vacuum.

Alternatively, could you be overfilling the gutter and pushing water over the inner edge when you put the lid on?

Doing a little test on the empty crock will probably solve this mystery.

Aloha,
Kaleo

Aug 18, 2014
kaleokahu in Cookware

Harsch Crock water seal problems

Umm, I bet it's a crack.

Aug 17, 2014
kaleokahu in Cookware

Copper Cookware Lined with Silver

Hi, skyneedle:

My experience is the same as Jim's--it cooks about the same as tinned, both in terms of speed and propensity to stick.

Aloha,
Kaleo

Aug 17, 2014
kaleokahu in Cookware

Should I stop baking with pyrex?

As I said, the plaintiffs documented thousands. These are the cases formally reported to safety regulators, and so represents but a small portion of actual incidents.

By your logic, only those who sue, preservere, and win in court would count. It took the Canadian plaintiff 10 years and several appeals, with Owens-Corning and World Kitchen fighting a scorched earth defence, to prevail.

You should get your facts straight about Pyrex shattering into "harmless" kibbles. Or are the needle-like shards and ER photos completely fictitious?

Of course CPSC hasn't acted. Yet.

Aug 16, 2014
kaleokahu in Cookware

FINALLY... a real, honest-to-Hashem method for making real lower east side SALT FERMENTED KOSHER DILL PICKLES, as directed by Moe, a 90+ year old former pickle master

Hi, Mr. Taster and Others in the Know:

This recipe sounds easy and fun. But how many cucumbers make "several", and how would I scale the recipe if I want to pickle a 10-pound flat of cukes?

Aloha,
Kaleo

Aug 15, 2014
kaleokahu in Home Cooking

Should I stop baking with pyrex?

I'm talking about a warning that says there's a small chance the piece will shatter explosively even if the firections are followed. It doesn't say anything like that, and leaves the consumer believing there's no risk if they follow the directions. This is wwrong, both factually and morally, IMO.

Aug 15, 2014
kaleokahu in Cookware

Should I stop baking with pyrex?

Hi, PSRat:

Welcome back to the idiot's club. ;)

You are right, of course, about there being physical causes for Pyrex exploding. Heat expansion, stress risers, physical shock, thermal shock, stored energy, etc. Hell, maybe Kreskin or Geller can do it telepathically.

There is a subset of these cases, though, that have no causes which are apparent to consumers other than a vague association with heat or handling. There may be no visible cracks, chips, scratches--nothing to presage its violent dissociation. Hece the frequent descriptions of spontaneity. I consider this a hazardous latent defect.

Should glass bakeware be outlawed? I wouldn't be in favor of that, and haven't advocated it. Warnings on and with the product would be better than nothing, and would serve some educational purpose.

Aloha,
Kaleo

Aug 15, 2014
kaleokahu in Cookware

Single Induction Burner--any recommendations?

Hi, cowboy:

What Ray said. Add robustness and a deep, well-ventilated case. I would also give Vollrath the benefit of the doubt about not scrimping on the size of the induction coil.

Aloha,
Kaleo

Aug 15, 2014
kaleokahu in Cookware
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Should I stop baking with pyrex?

Hi, Davwud: "...disagreeing because it hasn't happened to millions of people through millions of uses is."

Well, not in my opinion. If millions of casualties was the threshold for product defect or failure-to-warn claims, no product would EVER be recalled or pulled from the market, and there would be no product liability law.

I haven't researched jury verdicts on toaster fires, but I'll bet you lunch there are tens of successful wrongful death claims.

The same arguments get applied to other issues, too, notably gun control. Example: Since the risk of your child being murdered in a mass school shooting is statistically small, we shouldn't worry about it as long as there are "bigger" problems to solve. That's what I meant about walking and chewing gum.

Again, I'd be satisfied if/when adequate warnings are given.

Aloha,
Kaleo

Aug 15, 2014
kaleokahu in Cookware

Should I stop baking with pyrex?

Hi, Davwud: "it is a pretty safe assumption that misuse (or careless use) is the reason for failure."

No. Misuse is *a* cause of failure. There are may reported cases where misuse is not indicated. The plaitiff in the Canadian case documented several thousand there and in USA.

To say as you've said is to deny that the spontaneous explosions occur at all.

Aloha,
Kaleo

Aug 15, 2014
kaleokahu in Cookware

Should I stop baking with pyrex?

Hi, Davwud:

Why yes, I'd agree that injurious Pyrex explosions which are not attributable to misuse are not common.

The question presented by the OP, however, was more along the lines of asking whether this risk is acceptable. IMO, in light of less-risky alternatives, and despite the probabilities, I don't consider it acceptable because it is not *controllable*. You disagree, but someone disagreeing simply because it hasn't happened to them isn't much of a argument.

And I do think the risks are worth worrying some about, regardless of where Pyrex explosions rank on an all-time perils list. My view is that we should be able to walk *and* chew gum...

Aloha,
Kaleo

Aug 15, 2014
kaleokahu in Cookware

Inviting Professional Voices to the Community

It's what eGullet's been doing all along. Generally makes for more civil discourse.

How those t-shirts comin', Jacq?

Aug 15, 2014
kaleokahu in Site Talk

coconut macaroons

Or dip the tops in chocolate to make Haystacks. Must... make...now...

Aug 15, 2014
kaleokahu in Home Cooking
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Whither Jimmy Fallon's Late Night Snack?

IMO, it always sucked compared to Americone Dream. I won't miss it.

Aug 15, 2014
kaleokahu in General Topics

Should I stop baking with pyrex?

LOL, you missed my point: You mischaracterize my argument, I mischarcterize yours.

Aug 15, 2014
kaleokahu in Cookware

Should I stop baking with pyrex?

OK, maybe I was wrong about mental function. I apologize.

Aug 15, 2014
kaleokahu in Cookware

Should I stop baking with pyrex?

Hi, sunshine:

Mental function does not reason make.

I hope your neighbors are OK, and that they held their negligent landlord accountable.

I'm just trying to make the risks known, so that people can make their own informed choices. As the proliferation of exploding Pyrex threads here proves, many people are not adequately informed.

I applaud your informed consent to the risks.

Aloha,
Kaleo

Aug 15, 2014
kaleokahu in Cookware

Should I stop baking with pyrex?

Not at all--your words out of your mouth.

Let me return the favor: You think that whatever injuries are caused by the proper use of hazardous kitchen products are OK, even when the risks aren't disclosed. And that advising people of the hazards and opining they not buy the products is fearmongering.

How's that?

Aug 15, 2014
kaleokahu in Cookware

Should I stop baking with pyrex?

Hi, sunshine:

Sorry, gas leaks are not usually an issue with a stove product defect. Neither is accidental misuse of a knife.

And a blocked woodstove flue IS user error.

The risk to the user of Pyrex who does everything 100% right and acts out of an abundance of caution is small but real. The same cannot be said of a woodstove. One is a risk that cannot be prevented; the other depends on misuse.

Your philosophical pronouncements on risk above--life is fatal, we all take risks we deem acceptable, etc. remind me of my good friend and high-altitude climbing partner, Nancy. Nancy's last words to me were much like yours. She died on a winter ascent of Mt. McKinley. Now Nancy was--as are we all--an independent moral agent, and it was her life to lose. But please don't try those platitudes on the children she orphaned or the spouse who suffered with raising them alone. At least Nancy knew the risks.

A problem with assuming the risk of exploding Pyrex is that the risk is not disclosed adequately. The $1.5 million Canadian award turned on this precise point. It is only relatively recently that the spontaneous explosion risk intrinsic to formed soda lime glass has even been discussed. Yet Owens-Corning has known, and made how many millions?

I would be OK with letting people assume the Pyrex risk if they are adequately informed. Maybe World Kitchen will do this after the big verdict--or the next ones. Until that happens, it's good to publicize this small but real risk, and bad to suggest it's insignificant or doesn't happen outside of user error.

Aloha,
Kaleo

Aug 15, 2014
kaleokahu in Cookware

Should I stop baking with pyrex?

Hi, GH:

To say that there is no need for some things in the kitchen is about as practical as cleaving to a narrow, hypertechnical definition of 'exlosion'. Really? Kitchens don't need knives and stoves? This is pure sophistry, and not the way people live.

Speaking of stoves, thanks for making my point by mentioning gas stoves. One can believe that other kinds of stoves are safer, just as one can have an enormous and fine batterie of bakeware which includes no Pyrex at all. But the kitchen still needs a *kind* of stove, just as one needs bakeware.

You are also wrong in comparing the risks of a woodstove to the risks of Pyrex. In the former, there is no risk that the stove will randomly poison anyone (or anything else, FTM). The risk is ONLY user error.

In the latter, the risk is that the Pyrex product will spontaneously explode WITHOUT user error. This random risk is small but very real. You may have some narrow definition you insist on using, but this is what judges, juries, Congress and regulators call 'defective'. As far as I know, there are no defective wood stoves being put into commerce. But if there were, I would trust that the maker would be liable for damages; that regulators would act to protect the public; and that an *informed* public would stop buying the defective product. Which brings us around to the OP's original question.

Would you sleep on a brand of mattress which occasionally spontaneously combusts? Would you compare that risk to the risks of smoking in bed on a different brand?

Aloha,
Kaleo

Aug 15, 2014
kaleokahu in Cookware

Should I stop baking with pyrex?

(and therefore risks don't matter)???

Shirley, you jest.

Aug 14, 2014
kaleokahu in Cookware

Should I stop baking with pyrex?

The reductio is that only great (IYO?) risks are to be avoided. The fallacy is the same as in "Russian Roulette is more dangerous than golfing in a thunderstorm. Ergo, swing away."

Aug 14, 2014
kaleokahu in Cookware