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All great points! I've had the dish at Bucato. It's excellent, but this is a dish that I make at home frequently enough. Other pastas there are much more thrilling to me.

Apr 21, 2014
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cacio e pepe

I'm a fan of pecorino romano and cacio di roma mixed together (a bit more of the pecorino). It's not that parmigiano makes a bad version, just a different one. I would even argue it's not the same dish.

But other than that, you're right on. Some people fry the coarsely ground pepper in a little oil first. Some believe no oil of any kind is added to the dish.

And this is one of those dishes that can be made with either fresh or dried pasta. I personally nearly always prefer high quality dried pasta for this dish. However, Funke is a pasta badass so the fresh stuff he uses in this dish is absolutely killer.

Apr 21, 2014
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cacio e pepe

Must be for a carbonara or something of that ilk, which would be great as a table side prep. In fact, La Dolce Vita does their carbonara that way, not that their version of anything is a world-beater.

But the beauty of cacio e pepe is its simplicity. Egg would just muck it up.

Apr 21, 2014
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cacio e pepe

Correct.

Apr 21, 2014
cacio e pepe in Los Angeles Area

Belcampo Cheeseburger

Okay. I've got to give HT another shot. Too many palates I respect are saying it's good.

Nice burgerotica, by the way. Very classy.

Apr 20, 2014
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"Chopped" This Drink -- strawberry basil vodka tonic

Hey! As a California boy, I take offense at your characterization of strawberries as simple.

Tequila por mi amante, while not a cocktail, is delicious.

Apr 19, 2014
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"Chopped" This Drink -- strawberry basil vodka tonic

Sometimes in Scrabble, as in life, you simply need to trade in your tiles.

Or, you know, you could make a shitty drink.

Apr 19, 2014
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Baby Friendly in LA

For reals. For a little while there seemed to be a war brewing between toy breed dogs and toddlers. It was a rout. Babies and toddlers own that street now.

Apr 18, 2014
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Why does baguette s*ck in this country...

Was driving by Republique. Thought I'd give the baguette a go.

Happy so far . . .
It's almost as if there are great baguettes all over the place. Strange . . . :)

Apr 18, 2014
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Why does baguette s*ck in this country...

Damn! You're right! What was I thinking? *facepalm*

Apr 18, 2014
cacio e pepe in Los Angeles Area

are bucato, factory kitchen, tasting kitchen and osteria mozza doing the most interesting pasta dishes? and how would you rank/compare them?

One of my favorite things to do in this world is to meet my wife at TK after cutting out of work a little early. Grab a seat at the bar, drink a few of the exceptional cocktails, then order pasta after pasta to share while sobering up for the drive home.

I love what they do at TK.

And that bread is fucking ridiculous. Should remind everyone that La Brea bakery *used* to make outrageous bread when Nancy Silverton sill owned it and before every grocery store in LA started carrying it.

Apr 18, 2014
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Why does baguette s*ck in this country...

Thought of another . . .

Wally's Cheese Box carries Bread Lounge baguettes.

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I have had baguettes from all of these places and I think that we're up to 10 places that are very much spread across the westside alone that have good to excellent baguettes. It's looking like no one should be more than 5-10 minutes away from an excellent baguette. Most likely, anyone can just pick up a loaf while running their basic errands.

Not the dire landscape the OP continues to paint.

Apr 18, 2014
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Why does baguette s*ck in this country...

Maude has mentioned that they are one and the same baguettes. No need to try both. I listed both to cover the geography.

Apr 16, 2014
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Why does baguette s*ck in this country...

While there are some who remain intransigent, I think the thread has offered some really good options. Yeah, I wish we had Acme or Tartine in walking distance, but let's not shit on what we do have.

In the interest of creating something useful from this rant, let's see if we can't put together a list of good bread (focusing on baguettes).

I'll kick it off, with a westside focus. Please do add any options you have good experience with. Geography is no limit, other than keeping it LA/OC

Maison Giraud
Farmshop
Huckleberry
Milo + Olive
Amandine (not my fave . . . but is okay)
The Larder at Tavern
Surfas
Bouchon

Apr 15, 2014
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Why does baguette s*ck in this country...

Read the thread. A number of excellent options on the westside were shared.

I would feel for you, but the thread can take you from the deep food void known as the Pacific Palisades in the north, through Santa Monica and West LA, south to Culver City, east to Beverly Hills. All westside focused.

Not only has the OPs premise that the entire country makes terrible bread been utterly destroyed, but the idea that the westside has no good has also been debunked.

Apr 15, 2014
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Why does baguette s*ck in this country...

Second.

Along with the fresh loaves they bake. I was surprised with the quality of bread from Surfas, not just the baguettes.

Apr 15, 2014
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Where can i find REAL CINNAMON--It doesn't exist in the US-PLEASE READ

Agree, Mr. T.
These are two WILDLY different spices. In fact, they really aren't very interchangeable.

If someone were to "upgrade" to "real" cinnamon in something like a cinnamon roll, I think they would be very disappointed (and foolish).

Apr 14, 2014
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Why does baguette s*ck in this country...

1. I felt like making a list.

The end

Apr 14, 2014
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Belcampo Cheeseburger

There we respectfully disagree.

Apr 14, 2014
cacio e pepe in Los Angeles Area

Why does baguette s*ck in this country...

1. The thread is full of examples of excellent bread in the city, specifically the westside.

2. Bay Cities makes a nice loaf, but it's hell and gone from a baguette.

3. Agree that driving all over in the execrable westside traffic for single ingredients is a no-go.

4. The bread in LA is like the pizza in LA. On average, it's not good. As an analogy, in NYC, a basic utility slice of pizza is kind of good anywhere really. Truly bad pizza is hard to find. But on the high end, the best pizza in NYC is no better than the best pizza in LA. So . . . yeah, the vast majority of the bread here is not very good, but it's easy enough to get a good baguette within 5-10 minutes of most places in the city. At least in my experience.

Apr 14, 2014
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Why does baguette s*ck in this country...

Zoe Nathan cut her teeth at Tartine in SF so it's no surprise that her stuff is so good. And it isn't Tartine South. She has her own perspective and style. I think she's great!

Amandine get a lot of love, but I think more for value than for true quality. They are okay, but inexpensive so that boosts them in the eyes of many. I'm with you on that.

La Monarcha I think only makes Mexican style rolls and pastries.

I just remembered that Farmshop in the Brentwood Country Mart (what a misnomer) has excellent bread.

So . . . yeah . . . it's true that most grocery stores and supermarkets are not making high quality baguettes, I think we've covered a nice little slice of the westside (Palisades, SM, WLA, BH) that has good baguettes specifically without much extra effort added to the shopping errand.

Apr 14, 2014
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Why does baguette s*ck in this country...

Ah! I meant I usually shop at that particular Jons. Never tried baguettes from Jons, though. I'll hold off until I can hit the NH location.

Apr 14, 2014
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Why does baguette s*ck in this country...

Ah! Thanks! The VN location is the one I occasion. Closest to my closest 99 Ranch.

Apr 14, 2014
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Why does baguette s*ck in this country...

I'll have to try the ones at Jons!

Apr 14, 2014
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Why does baguette s*ck in this country...

Milo + Olive/Huckleberry make a nice, though rustic baguette.

Surely Maison Giraud sells their baguettes.

All westside.

But if you're in the westside and you're complaining about the "special" trip to Amandine then I don't know what to say. There are even a number of high-end grocery stores in the area.

But feel free to lament that LA isn't Paris. That's very true.

Apr 14, 2014
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Why does baguette s*ck in this country...

Vietnamese sandwich shops have great bread, but they are not, in my experience, a European style baguette.

And there are plenty of great baguettes in LA. Just not at supermarkets.

Apr 14, 2014
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I might be ready for Vietnamese but I think I need your help...

Oh hell yes! Chicken is all over the place in Vietnamese food.

Apr 14, 2014
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I might be ready for Vietnamese but I think I need your help...

email = meal.

That tray of condiments that you're given is very much used to adjust the seasoning of the meal to your personal tastes.

Apr 14, 2014
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Belcampo Cheeseburger

My 2 cents . . .

I agree, and I actually like In-N-Out.

+American <<<< Cheddar
+Overcooked CAFO micropatties <<<< 1/3 lb. hand-formed, grassfed, pastured beef patty
+Bland, spongebread bun <<<< double-seeded brioche bun
+Iceberg <<<< butter lettuce

But you know, that misses the point. The idea that value is a linear quantity is a false premise. Expecting quality to jump arithmetically with an increase in price is a great way to be disappointed with all but the best values in town. Forget fine dining, mid-range dining would be sure to disappoint.

The burger absolutely stands alone, but if you must get a side then just get one of the sandwiches they offer in bun form. $5 and a world better than the mediocre fries.

Apr 14, 2014
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Belcampo Cheeseburger

I like cloves. But that Belcampo ketchup is way too heavy handed with them. It really is a clove sauce. Thing is, the fries at Belcampo suck so to me it's a moot point.

Umami's ketchup is an affront. An aggressive insult. As is their over-reliance on imitation truffle oil.

Apr 13, 2014
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