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Paris for 2 days in November!

"Location will trump quality in this instance."

You suggest an important corollary, Phil. So often in travel, or in life, everything we know to be true or reasonable may be trumped by something unexpected and transitory. Often not replicable and therefore worth the departure from reason.

about 7 hours ago
mangeur in France

Paris from mid-September to mid-October!

Brilliant point, John. This is a conundrum I have chewed for a long time. Menus, prices, clientele, ambiance all vary lunch to dinner. Differences of, as we say, day and night. A hard call we each have to make.

about 9 hours ago
mangeur in France

Paris from mid-September to mid-October!

John, you may be guilty of many sins of which we are not aware, but Photoshopping is not one of them. ;)

about 9 hours ago
mangeur in France

Paris from mid-September to mid-October!

Note that our dissatisfaction was at dinner, August 2013. It was our second visit in a month. We experienced a noticeable change in diner base. On our first visit, we were surrounded by locals and ahead of the curve visitors, but on our second visit, English was the median language, a whopping change in just one month. The chalkboards were still in French at that time, which caused long dialogs per table as the excellent but stretched staff translated dishes, ergo the exchange I mentioned upthread.

Granted, we revisited in a relatively short span, but I was surprised to be served the same not awfully delicious amuse each meal. Our second meal was not bad. Not bad, but as I wrote a year ago, it was, from our picky POV, ordinary. We left before dessert and coffee and have not returned.

Is Pirouette bad? Absolutely not at all. But I look for more love on the plate. To be clear, DH and I are tough sells.

I also feel a large degree of sympathy for sincere kitchens who are besieged by popularity. It's an impossibly heavy burden.

about 9 hours ago
mangeur in France

Pate To Go

You are right. Recoil is what I was reaching for. And while I am sure that you, Pti, never recoil from a food, many people do.

At Pirouette last visit, the man next to us ordered veal "because it was safe". DH, overhearing the conversation, gently asked him if he were aware that the veal were sweetbreads. The man literally recoiled and changed his order, thanking DH profusely. I would have been inclined to let it slide and perhaps help the gentleman to open a new window.

about 16 hours ago
mangeur in France

Pate To Go

There is a truism lurking behind your thinking. We each probably have a few dearly held preconceptions we could/should vet before activating a full on sneer.

about 21 hours ago
mangeur in France

Paris from mid-September to mid-October!

John, do you have any sense of the evening pricing at Le Lulli?

1 day ago
mangeur in France

Paris from mid-September to mid-October!

This has really been a win, win, win, win, win situation for all involved and lurkers.

I look forward to your experiences at Pirouette and Septime. Both have been, for me, like the little girl who had a little curl...

1 day ago
mangeur in France
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Paris from mid-September to mid-October!

Deep breaths. Deep breaths. Remember I'm holding your little hand...

1 day ago
mangeur in France
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Paris from mid-September to mid-October!

And thank you for providing such a neatly tied up package! Lovely itinerary and great descriptions.

1 day ago
mangeur in France

Paris in August?

You might let the weather help decide whether or not to visit Versailles. If it is horrendously hot, I wouldn't enjoy rubbing shoulders in crowded rooms. It also, of course, depends on your passionate interest in the life and times of Louis XVI and in palatial architecture and decor.

1 day ago
mangeur in France

Our 1st time in Paris!! Want to do it right!!

"However, for an upscale restaurant in the 6e..."

Oh, I totally agree. This just isn't the type of restaurant that we frequent. In fact, it is what we avoid.

1 day ago
mangeur in France

Pate To Go

The Hénaff stuff sound wonderful!

Does any visitor have any recent experience bringing a commercially canned pork product into the US through SFO ag station?

1 day ago
mangeur in France

A formula for avoiding sitting next to those pesky fellow Yankees who whoop it up and disturb your meal in Paris and finding good food in “secret places.”.

Thanks so much for this snapshot of a bad meal that cost a dining opportunity. Inventive cooking can be a mine field, working sometimes and not others, working for some people and not others. Your comments are bien noté.

2 days ago
mangeur in France

Must get Right, Paris 3 days/nights in Nov.

It is, indeed. Thanks, Phil.

Note to self: do not type phonetically.

2 days ago
mangeur in France

Paris in August?

Naw, I'd just call it a mash.

I love David's blog and his recs. I just wanted to add a few less covered, (although he, too, loves Fred's stuff), those that locals in addition to expats might know about.

Sep 28, 2014
mangeur in France

Paris in August?

Sorry. I hadn't noticed as I was trying to track down the link. (Like minds?)

Sep 28, 2014
mangeur in France

Paris in August?

Thanks! That's it. http://www.raids-patisseries.com/ I thought that johnmart might get some esoteric leads from it.

And as individual concepts, I have to tout my old favorite Aux Merveilleux de Fred's cloud light confections. http://www.auxmerveilleux.com/?lang=en

And my "it's all about the filling" macarons at Gregory Renard. http://www.chocoparis.com/gregory-ren...

Plus there's a lot of other ideas at that website.

Sep 28, 2014
mangeur in France

Paris in August?

Parn, what was that "pastries in Paris" blog that was brought up in a thread several days ago?

Sep 28, 2014
mangeur in France

Paris in August?

Also, in recent years there has been a trend for some restaurants to stay open into August and close until early September, or, but of little help during your stay, to close the third week in July and reopen mid-August.

FWIW, we were in town the first week of August this year and were able to work in a few of our favorites plus a couple of new ones, Will and Pramil. These latter do not make my hall of fame, but certainly were welcome havens during this time.

Sep 28, 2014
mangeur in France

Must get Right, Paris 3 days/nights in Nov.

(Am refraining from typing that I would like a baby blue Aston Martin convertible and to be a size 0, but neither is going to happen.)

At best you will find this trolley at Le Zinc as a supplement at lunch. At inexpensive restaurants, such as Astier and Le Villeret, you can order the cheese plateau which is a large tray brought to your table with a vast assortment of cheeses but of varying quality and affinage.

Sep 28, 2014
mangeur in France
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Our 1st time in Paris!! Want to do it right!!

I would argue that it is not at all imperative to attract foreign visitors. The places we frequent do quite well on local traffic and, in fact, dilute some of their focus obliging tourists' needs and requests. I don't know that any of them engage a PR person but instead rely on word of mouth and, unfortunately, rather too much free ink.

Sep 28, 2014
mangeur in France

La Table d'Eugene

I'll bet that Oxalys caught a few. Any news of the new chef/proprietor?

Sep 27, 2014
mangeur in France

Need a magical restaurant with rooms between St. Fargeau and Saint Nectaire.

Okay. Since you put it that way, I'm moving my map tacks. :)

Still need something or two north, roughly latitude of Chateauroux or Tournus.

Sep 27, 2014
mangeur in France

La Table d'Eugene

Last bus from Jules Joffren, heading south, = 12:35am; from Pigalle heading north = 12:52am

http://www.ratp.fr/informer/picts/pla...

Sep 27, 2014
mangeur in France

Need a magical restaurant with rooms between St. Fargeau and Saint Nectaire.

Am bumping this up because I know that some of you have a recommendable stop.

We're actually looking for two two night stands in central France, let's say as far north as Sancerre and south as Limoges, east to Tournus. A chambre d'hote with extraordinary table d'hote evening meal, great ferme auberge, boutique hotel.

Sep 27, 2014
mangeur in France

What do order at Denise, Jean, Le Cinq, Clamato, Ze Kitchen Gallerie?

"go nicely...with a bit of A1 sauce."

(We won't tell.)

Sep 27, 2014
mangeur in France

What do order at Denise, Jean, Le Cinq, Clamato, Ze Kitchen Gallerie?

It depends on the quality of the restaurant. Better ones, like the ones you are probably visiting, serve moderate to small portions. Applebees et al pour it on.

There is an Italian joint (to use JT's word) in New Jersey that serves humungous portions. Huge chunks of protein accompanied by a kilo of pasta. Across the river in Manhattan, you might pay well over $100 a head and leave unsated.

Sep 27, 2014
mangeur in France

What do order at Denise, Jean, Le Cinq, Clamato, Ze Kitchen Gallerie?

Toro, scroll down to see various plates at Chez Denise. You will see that they are rather large. Ordering more than one plate will bring a LOT of food. Whether or not you could easily bag your leftovers is questionable. A spare lamb chop on occasion, but not easily a pint of kidneys or tripe, I would think.

https://www.google.com/search?q=chez+...

Sep 27, 2014
mangeur in France

Our 1st time in Paris!! Want to do it right!!

I can't fault Septime. Maintaining kitchen stamina and creativity is an impossible mission at best. Enter NYT et al, turn the place into a mass destination and the house's energy is quickly sapped when the dining room is filled to capacity with diners who have booked for the wrong reasons and approach the food without discernment.

Sep 27, 2014
mangeur in France