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America's Test Kitchen reviews are meaningless

"Don't complain about the problem, tell us your solution!"

I did this already, they need to sample from several different cities, then combine the results.

"Go find statistics that show what brands are the national leaders/best sellers, and there's your answer."

This is faulty logic. Best selling does not mean best tasting. Best selling could be lowest price, or best marketing. In fact, the best tasting is usually not the best selling because it's usually higher priced.

Prime beef is better then Choice, but Choice is the best selling because it's cheaper. Get it.

Jul 10, 2014
kjonyou in Food Media & News

America's Test Kitchen reviews are meaningless

I am not implying it, the person above me is implying that ATK is all white in case you have not noticed.

Since America is quite a mix of races, its odd that even in a big city they only seem to have white audience members with limited tastes.

You may say food is food and it doesn't matter what your ethnic make up is, but not according to the food industry. They actually cater to ethnic difference but very small changes in the same products. So for example, Norrs Chicken base will have a slightly different formula on the exact same product depending on weather the box is written in English or in Spanish even if they are both sold in the same store.

Jul 10, 2014
kjonyou in Food Media & News

America's Test Kitchen reviews are meaningless

Hu? that dose not make any sense. If you look at the right polls, some of them are VERY accurate. Google Nate Silver poll of polls.

The only people that were blind sided recent by false polls where the Fox News viewers on the presidential election. The polls outside of that conservative media bubble were accurate.

Your assertion that people would not vote if polls were accurate is faulty logic. Voting is not just about opinion, its also about who comes out to vote.

Jul 10, 2014
kjonyou in Food Media & News
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America's Test Kitchen reviews are meaningless

Well, it's called America's Test Kitchen, not Boston's Test Kitchen, Massachusetts test kitchen or even East Coast Test kitchen. Its AMERICA'S Test Kitchen. So there is that little fact that blows your argument out of the water.

Also, they pick recipes and items from VAST regions across the country. Yet their regional opinion is OK since its a TV Show? Cant have it both ways.

Jul 10, 2014
kjonyou in Food Media & News

America's Test Kitchen reviews are meaningless

I know some people are saying "whatever float your boat" but that is not the question.

Most people, myself included dont have the time or money to taste 12 different versions of every product they buy. That is why these lists exist.

How many times have you heard a TV chef say "just buy a good one"? Well, what brad is a good one? So we turn to reviews.

So yes, while I might disagree with the results, it would be nice to know what the rest of America thinks about that product in a more accurate sampling.

Sort of like an election poll, it will not change my mind who or what I end up voting for, but it's helpful to know which why the country is going.

Jul 09, 2014
kjonyou in Food Media & News

America's Test Kitchen reviews are meaningless

I may be wrong, but I am pretty sure Jack has referenced the audience as the taste testers. There might be additional family and friends but I doubt they are paying for professional taste testing.

Jul 09, 2014
kjonyou in Food Media & News
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America's Test Kitchen reviews are meaningless

I am not worked up about it, just pointing out the obvious. Seems like a lot of people who watch that show live and die by what they say.

Yes it is just a show, however, they take great pride in letting everyone know how rigorously they test things. So much so that you have to pay to see some of the results because they dont want advertisers to influence the results.

Jul 09, 2014
kjonyou in Food Media & News
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America's Test Kitchen reviews are meaningless

Now that you mention that, no.

Jul 09, 2014
kjonyou in Food Media & News
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America's Test Kitchen reviews are meaningless

I know this might ruffle a few feathers here but I dont get why so many people take the Taste Test results from this show as the word of god or in any way accurate.

From what I can tell, when they taste test a food product, its limited to their studio audience of about 30 people? That's way too small to get a real sample. In the normal world of opinion polls done by researchers, a minimum of around 1500 people is need before anything could be considered accurate. Less then that creates false results. Certainly 30, 60 or even 100 people would be way off.

They also dont account for regional differences. Lets take BBQ for example. People from the North East are going to have completely different opinions then people from the Midwest or Texas.

Even if ATK is using more then 30 people, Do any of them reside outside the city or state where it is filmed? Why not pic say 30 volunteers from five different cites? It would not be that hard or expensive. They are not even filming so very low cost.

Their results vary wildly from other test sites. Lets take chicken stock for example. ATK rates the brand Kitchen Basics as not recommended, burnt tasting etc. Yet Consumer Reports rates it as very good and one of the top two. Their taste testers love the roasted flavor, ATK tasters called it burnt.

So if you want, prove me wrong, but back it up with some facts. From from what I can tell, ATK taste testing is wildly inaccurate or meaningless unless you just want the opinion of people who live outside Boston.

Jul 09, 2014
kjonyou in Food Media & News

Real Italian Food Vs. American Italian Food

Try finding Dutched Cocoa powder in a typical super market in the US, nearly imposable unless you order on line or go to a specialty or gourmet retail store.

Your argument is way too simplistic. Just because two countries have the same product, dose not equate to the same amount of consumption. I can find pigs feet in the use and in Mexico but that dose not mean we both eat them in the same quantity.

Jun 17, 2014
kjonyou in General Topics

Real Italian Food Vs. American Italian Food

Not if you look at the history of where bottled water came from. It goes back hundreds of years because they did what we are doing to today by polluting their own water supply. Doctors found if you drank bottled water, you would get healthier, but really didnt know why.

America has good water because the Native Americans didn't pollute their own land, which of course he had to wipe out to take over and start the trashing.

And by the way, not so good any more with all the fracking for oil. I dont call being able to light your tap water on fire good water....regardless of the cause.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LBjSX...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7zsQa...

Jun 17, 2014
kjonyou in General Topics

Flap Meat? Bolognese?

Thanks for that, I guess that was my real question, can I use it ground up and cooked for a long time.

Jun 15, 2014
kjonyou in Home Cooking

Flap Meat? Bolognese?

Yes, that recipe is not clear, but most traditional recipes like that are a hand full of this and a glass of that. I just posted it because it seems to be the most authentically (by Italians standard) laid out recipe from two people in the region where it was invented.

Jun 15, 2014
kjonyou in Home Cooking

Flap Meat? Bolognese?

So my local Costco always has this on sale, but never seems to stock Skirt Steak which is what I was looking for.

Long story short, I realized after I bought it, not a good choice for long braises. I wanted to chop it up for a Bolognese sauce.

I tried Carne Asada Fajitas, but now I am stumped with what to do with the rest. Any ideas? Is it really true you should not use it in a braise even if it's ground up?

One of the most traditional recipes for Bolognese uses a skirt steak as part of the mix, if I have translated it right.

http://www.itchefs-gvci.com/index.php...

Jun 15, 2014
kjonyou in Home Cooking

Real Italian Food Vs. American Italian Food

I get what you are saying but your logic is flawed and anomalies are absurd. "filty body of water" really? Have you forgotten the BP Oil spill in the Gulf? 20 million gallons of crude oil is equal to nothing on the planet.

Is there crap food in Europe? Sure. But your argument is black and white. We are talking about general consensus here not all or nothing. It's like saying the film industry is Europe is just as good and bad as America. It's not. America dominates the film industry and thats just a fact. Do we put of crap movies? Sure but that dose not mean over all that the best entertainment comes form America just like Italians (in general) take their food more seriously then Americans.

You want fact? Ok, there are about 5 fast food chains in Italy. If the people there wanted them, there would be a lot more, even China has a McDonald's. You know how many fast food chains exist in America? Over 800! And each chain may have thousands of restaurants. That says a lot about a society even if you adjust for the population differences.

Dose it mean we all eat there? No, but in general, Americans eat more crap food then Italians.

May 20, 2014
kjonyou in General Topics

Real Italian Food Vs. American Italian Food

He has a good point, maybe a little too far, as no one I know has eaten Chef Boyardee since they were 5 years old. That stuff is like gross baby food.

But back to his point, while some of us, or many of us do take care to source good products for our recipes, its still no where close to what he describes.

Average Americans don't have farms anymore. Its all big business on huge industrial scale. Sure there are small specialty farms and most of us here probably search for those products but I would venture to say that the typical non - ChowHound American dose not try so hard. It''s whatever they can find at the local super market. And, that group of people generally look for the lowest price over highest quality.

Not trying to offend, as I know probably all of you reading this board go way beyound normal to create good food, but I dont think you could say that is typical for the average Joe making spaghetti and meatballs.

On the plus side, here in California I have notices a lot of new upscale restaurants only serving locally sourced food. They menu changes based on what they get that day and they tell you where everything is from. So I see that as a good thing.

May 16, 2014
kjonyou in General Topics

Real Italian Food Vs. American Italian Food

Of coarse, Olive Garden and other big chains would NEVER let Gordon Ramsey in any of their kitchens so the point is moot. And you know, some of those chains have some really bad things going on.

Google: Guy Takes Bath in Burger King Sink

May 16, 2014
kjonyou in General Topics

Pastrami vs Corned Beef Spice Differences?

OK I know that the main difference is that Pastrami is smoked and usually steamed, but from what I have read there are different spices used for different flavor.

My search has brought up info all over the place from saying they are exatlly the same to critics saying Pastrami is not just smoked corned beef.

So, anyone know what the traditional or base spices are for each and how they differ? I know black pepper, coriander are at the top of the list but what else?

May 16, 2014
kjonyou in Home Cooking

Coffee Cake vs Crumb Cake?

This explains a lot! I get the visual now.

May 16, 2014
kjonyou in General Topics

Coffee Cake vs Crumb Cake?

Ha, ha, yes, i am dealing with that right now, everything from NY and NJ is superior to everyone else.

May 16, 2014
kjonyou in General Topics

Coffee Cake vs Crumb Cake?

What is the difference between these two? A friend of mine swears that NY crumb cakes are not the same as coffee cakes but cant tell me why.

So many varied opinions I have read:

"A coffee cake could be a crumb cake but a crumb cake could not be a coffee cake"

"it's the same as icing vs frosting just a name"

"coffee cake could have yeast in the dough but not a crumb cake"

Apr 27, 2014
kjonyou in General Topics

Fire Roasted Tomatoes?

I only have electric to work with here, oven, stove and BBQ. HOA regulations cant use fire or real flames.

They will char under the broiler, but just dont taste anything like the can stuff.

Jul 05, 2013
kjonyou in Home Cooking

Fire Roasted Tomatoes?

I purchased these several times and they are really good, lots of flavor. So I tried to make some at home by charring them under a broiler and while they do have some of the smokey flavor, not nearly as good as the canned. I dont have access to a gas flame so its broil or nothing.

Anyone experience the same? I noticed that even a famous chef Rick Bayless has a salsa recipe and the one ingredient he uses from a can is the tomatoes even though he goes through the process of charring the peppers.

Jul 03, 2013
kjonyou in Home Cooking

pizza making class at mozza = hugely disappointing

This has already been resolved the OP got her money back and parized MOZZA in the process.

And by the way, quite being a drama queen, the pizza was not the size of a silver dollar. They were normal 13 inch individual size, you know, like they make in Italy!

Jul 03, 2013
kjonyou in Los Angeles Area

Reduction order of a sauce really matter?

A lot of pan sauces typically say,after cooking the meat or chicken to deglaze the pan with wine, reduce by X amount then add other liquid usually stock. Then usually reduce again.

Since all you are doing is evaporating water and burning off alcohol and concentrating flavors, dose it really matter which one goes in first if you reduce to the same quantity at the end?

In other words, how is a cup of wine reduced down to 1/4 add any more flavor then the same cup reduced to 1/2 cup? You could say well its more concentrated, but not if you are adding another liquid which dilutes it back up.

I just cant get this conceptually right in my head. I am sure there is a good reason.

Jun 13, 2013
kjonyou in Home Cooking

Skip the appaziters and just serve cocktails?

Thanks everyone, I was just stuck on what to do. They will be here around 10am, out the door an hour later. So yea, what to serve that wont go to waste.

2 of them are vegetarians on top of that so I guess prosciutto wrapped melon is out.

May 15, 2013
kjonyou in General Topics

Skip the appaziters and just serve cocktails?

So I have about half a dozen friends coming over next week on a Saturday morning for a drink. Why? because there is a city event right outside my door.

Since most people eat breakfast before they go out, should I bother with appetizers that no one might eat before we head out?

If so any ideas? I have a feeling they might not touch anything.

May 15, 2013
kjonyou in General Topics

Why do Americans like everything Chunky?

I am not saying anything about being an American based on what food you like. I was simply stating an observation about what products seem to sell very well in the US. And Why?

Just like butter is to French cooking, Pasta is to Italians or rice to Asian culture. Dose everyone in those cultures like those things? Of course not. Dose it make you un-Asian if you dont like rice? Of course not. Can you find an Asian country that dose not use rice? Probably. But you can say generally most Asian cultures like rice.

That is all I was saying about America. Generally speaking, based on what marketers and retails put on their shelves, it appears that Americans really like chunky stye food.

While you and your friends may never touch anything in a can, that dose not mean a vast majority shop like you do. I worked in a market when I was young, shelf space is rented and every the location is highly fought over. If something is not selling really well, they stop ordering it because it dose not generate money for the store. So someone is buying that canned stuff all across America, and quite a bit of it.

May 15, 2013
kjonyou in General Topics

Why do Americans like everything Chunky?

I was trying to say enjoy your food in the form of EarlyBirds sarcastic comment.

May 15, 2013
kjonyou in General Topics

Favorite egg preparations for breakfast

Always easier to be a critic then create.

May 09, 2013
kjonyou in Home Cooking