
There is no reader question this week. Instead, Helena has a topic she'd like to address.
Recently, San Francisco Chronicle restaurant reviewer Michael Bauer posted a reader's question, "What do you do when your waiter is high on something other than life?" I decided to talk to some servers and get their perspective. Is it really such a faux pas to get high on the job? After all, they're not operating heavy machinery.
Many do indulge, says Jenny*, who worked as a server in top-tier Bay Area restaurants for nine years. "I smoked pot all day long," she confesses. While coke is usually reserved for afterwork partying, plenty of servers enjoy a quick hit of weed while waiting tables. Jenny says this didn't prevent her from memorizing orders and juggling the needs of different diners. "After years of doing the same thing, you know your sequence of service." In fact, Jenny believes that her habit actually improved her work, making conversation flow more easily. "One particular evening I had four or five tables, and they were all talking with one another and laughing, and I felt like the master of ceremonies."
In fact, the chief hazard of being high, according to Jenny, is getting the munchies. At one extremely high-end restaurant where she worked, the dessert chef "used to put pastry scraps like cookies and ends of cake at the bottom of the stairs [leading up to the dining room], so every time I went up and every time I went down I would reward myself with a chunk of the cake. I put on a few extra pounds."
But while the odd toke in the walk-in doesn't make much difference to a server's performance, overindulgence is of course dangerous. Sean*, who has been a server for six years, says that he has "a three-hour rule": If he smokes pot, it has to be at least three hours before he starts work. Being seriously baked could lead to an accident. "You have to move around a great deal. There are spills on the floor." And drugs other than pot are a bad idea. Coke, for instance, just makes a server jabber and give off an uneasy frenetic energy. Jenny says, "The one time I tried that, I distinctly remember thinking, 'This sucks, why did I do that?'"
So if your server appears to be mildly addled from a quick smoke in the parking lot, you should let him have his fun. But what should you do if he has overdone it, launching into boring tangents or forgetting half your order? Drug addiction is of course a serious problem, but it's not your place to perform an intervention. You have no way of knowing if this server has made a one-time mistake, or if he overindulges regularly. Instead, deal with an overly high server the same way you would deal with other faults in the service: Leave a really small tip.
Don't rat your server out to the manager, because the penalty could be severe, says Sean. At best, the server will get a warning, with the promise that he'll be fired if there's another complaint. If he can be easily replaced, he could be fired on the spot.
What about confronting a high server directly? Don't bother. Most likely, he'll deny it. Even if he confesses—which some high people will—that is unlikely to improve your service. Take the experience of Derek Pearcy, a software engineer in San Francisco. "A bunch of friends were getting late-night food, and the service was awful: apple juice instead of tea; waitstaff slowly leaning over to one side, eventually being propped up by the person closest to them; a final bill that made no sense. My friend said, 'Is everyone here high?' The waitress responded with mild indignation that no, some of them were tripping."
*Servers interviewed for this article asked to remain anonymous, for obvious reasons.
If you have never worked in the restaurant arena you have no right to say what servers/cooks/bartenders should or should not do. So you have to be sober at your 9-5 job that you get benefits and a constant pay. You, the ones that complain, should set back and look at things from a different point of view. Yes we do choose this line of work, it can be very lucrative, and however, folks that find...+READ
If you have never worked in the restaurant arena you have no right to say what servers/cooks/bartenders should or should not do. So you have to be sober at your 9-5 job that you get benefits and a constant pay. You, the ones that complain, should set back and look at things from a different point of view. Yes we do choose this line of work, it can be very lucrative, and however, folks that find fault, consistently, ruin our wage earnings and the ability to pay rent. I'm sure if I rolled up in your place of employment there are tons of over indulgences like food parties, internet use, vacation time, basketball brackets, etc... So think about it before you complain next time.-COLLAPSE
Yeah.......right- fan of F'd up /once great NFL team that eats canned ravioli ? What if Spartacus had plantar warts ?
How does the OMG crowd feel about a server prescribed narcotic painkillers for legitimate reasons? Or benzodiazepines for anxiety? Various psychiatric medications with some mind-numbing side effects?
I'm asking because the effects of these medications are more likely to be noticeable to a customer than a small to moderate dose of marijuana. More to the point, would the OMG crowd be able to...+READ
How does the OMG crowd feel about a server prescribed narcotic painkillers for legitimate reasons? Or benzodiazepines for anxiety? Various psychiatric medications with some mind-numbing side effects?
I'm asking because the effects of these medications are more likely to be noticeable to a customer than a small to moderate dose of marijuana. More to the point, would the OMG crowd be able to tell the difference?
So hows bout people just report bad service, reward good service, and leave the narc-ing to the DEA?-COLLAPSE
I cooked for about a year at a San Francisco restaurant where the owner and the management were rarely if ever truly sober. So there was little chance of cooks or waiters being disciplined for being high on the job. Most employees worked while "under the influence." I think most of our customers were f*cked up as well, which is probably why the restauatant (and bar) lasted as long as it did.
@ jlambert - great comment, especially about finding work. Also, many jobs now require urine tests before hiring and at random times, on command, throughout one's employment. Unfortunately, those UAs can't tell if you smoked at home during your leisure time or at work on the company clock.
Why is it fine for a server to be high on the job but not me working in an office? Regardless of what the job is coming into any job after taking something is horribly wrong, unprofessional and there really isn't a good reason to tolerate it. It doesn't matter how good the service is or isn't. Preparing for work doesn't mean doing drugs. What you want to do right after your shift is your...+READ
Why is it fine for a server to be high on the job but not me working in an office? Regardless of what the job is coming into any job after taking something is horribly wrong, unprofessional and there really isn't a good reason to tolerate it. It doesn't matter how good the service is or isn't. Preparing for work doesn't mean doing drugs. What you want to do right after your shift is your business.-COLLAPSE
This is just sad. I'm a server, have been for four years. I have NEVER been high on the job. I have had friends who went to their restaurant jobs high, claimed that it didn't affect their work performance at all, and then, shockingly, ended up getting fired. Serving CAN be a rough job. Some nights all I want to do is go home and have a drink. But not until after I'm not on the clock. The people...+READ
This is just sad. I'm a server, have been for four years. I have NEVER been high on the job. I have had friends who went to their restaurant jobs high, claimed that it didn't affect their work performance at all, and then, shockingly, ended up getting fired. Serving CAN be a rough job. Some nights all I want to do is go home and have a drink. But not until after I'm not on the clock. The people you work for, the people you work with and the people you serve deserve more respect than for you to not be firing on all cylinders because you had to get high to be able to deal with coming to work. Get over yourself. You don't derserve any special pass because your job is hard and you think no one will notice. I don't care what you want to do with your free time, but if you can't function as sa server/cook/whatever without being high, you should really get a different job. Also, good luck finding a new job when you get caught and fired.-COLLAPSE
UTH LAFLER: "Bad service should be reported to management -- period -- although perhaps speculating on the cause of the bad service is inappropriate. Also, as noted below, you're probably not doing as good a job as you think you are, since being stoned affects your judgment. Finally, if you hate your job so much that it's only tolerable when you're stoned, you should find another line of work for...+READ
UTH LAFLER: "Bad service should be reported to management -- period -- although perhaps speculating on the cause of the bad service is inappropriate. Also, as noted below, you're probably not doing as good a job as you think you are, since being stoned affects your judgment. Finally, if you hate your job so much that it's only tolerable when you're stoned, you should find another line of work for your own good"
YOU have made some valid life points. Although valid, you don't really know what you're talking about. For some, judgment may be off. The case for others will prove that a guest's needs will [appear clear and simple] and sometimes ability to zone in on an emotional level. You're absolutely right about finding another job if that is a crutch, though if that were to apply, it could be someone that is using constantly and has this drug absorbing into many other aspects of their life other than work.-COLLAPSE
Another reason not to eat out...
All of the people making excuses for stoned servers in the vein of "you've been served by someone who is stoned and didn't know it" are missing the point. The question wasn't "should servers be drug tested" it was "what do you do when you *do* know because it's obvious and it's affecting service."
Bad service should be reported to management -- period -- although perhaps speculating on the...+READ
All of the people making excuses for stoned servers in the vein of "you've been served by someone who is stoned and didn't know it" are missing the point. The question wasn't "should servers be drug tested" it was "what do you do when you *do* know because it's obvious and it's affecting service."
Bad service should be reported to management -- period -- although perhaps speculating on the cause of the bad service is inappropriate. Also, as noted below, you're probably not doing as good a job as you think you are, since being stoned affects your judgment. Finally, if you hate your job so much that it's only tolerable when you're stoned, you should find another line of work for your own good.-COLLAPSE
Gawd. Agreed with those who say bad service is bad service, report it as such if you're so inclined. But speculating on whether illegal drugs are the culprit is out of line.
Here in Denver, where every other block boasts a weed dispensary, assiduously avoiding high servers would very nearly mean not going out to dinner.
Not only has everyone been served by someone who is stoned, your food has also been cooked for you by someone stoned. How well the stoned person handles it is a completely individual difference. I don't do well on pot so quit smoking it back in the early 70s (when everyone coming home from Viet Nam brought back the strong stuff that has predominated since). Anthony Bourdain's "Kitchen...+READ
Not only has everyone been served by someone who is stoned, your food has also been cooked for you by someone stoned. How well the stoned person handles it is a completely individual difference. I don't do well on pot so quit smoking it back in the early 70s (when everyone coming home from Viet Nam brought back the strong stuff that has predominated since). Anthony Bourdain's "Kitchen Confidential" rang so true - chef type friends were amazed, when they read it, that a someone actually "GOT IT" and wrote well about working in a kitchen.
If your service (or your food) is bad you should feel free to report it to the management. Otherwise, let it go. Your server is making less than minimum wage and, if he/she isn't on top of his game the chef will read him out far better than you or the manager ever could. As someone else mentioned, he/she might be on painkillers or even be on prescribed marijuana.-COLLAPSE
Whether or not your server is high is really none of your business. As a customer, you can register a comment on the quality of the service (or lack thereof) with the proprietor. Leave it to the management to address it with their employee. Bad service is bad service, and that is your only real concern as a customer.
To all you, negative Nancys, that are appalled by the thought of being served by a stoner, lighten up. You've already have been served by someone stoned and never knew it. For years I would get stoned everyday before going to work. I would smoke as much as I wanted than stop 4 hours before my shift. When I would get to work I still had the residual buzz which made me more relaxed around the...+READ
To all you, negative Nancys, that are appalled by the thought of being served by a stoner, lighten up. You've already have been served by someone stoned and never knew it. For years I would get stoned everyday before going to work. I would smoke as much as I wanted than stop 4 hours before my shift. When I would get to work I still had the residual buzz which made me more relaxed around the customers. I never got an order wrong and received many compliments.-COLLAPSE
The responses make it quite apparent who has actually smoked weed and who hasn't. It's all about moderation and knowing yourself. Some people can't handle it, while other's will see no drop off in service, and some will actually show improvement. I used to be high all the time on the job, and my tips were excellent. I wouldn't get "retarded", but a little weed made dealing with my asshole...+READ
The responses make it quite apparent who has actually smoked weed and who hasn't. It's all about moderation and knowing yourself. Some people can't handle it, while other's will see no drop off in service, and some will actually show improvement. I used to be high all the time on the job, and my tips were excellent. I wouldn't get "retarded", but a little weed made dealing with my asshole managers and customers much easier, keeping my morale up. The only people that seemed to actually noticed were the people who smoked weed themselves and therefore they didn't seem to mind.-COLLAPSE
i assure every one of you who've responded - you've been served, and served well, by a stoned server
This is the most ridiculous advice I've ever heard. Seriously, if my server is so high that it is noticeable, I'm not supposed to complain? What if my bus driver is high? Or the EMT who responds to my 911 call? I am trusting my server to be sure that there is no shellfish in my food so that I can eat it without worrying that I'm going to get a bad allergic reaction. I think I want a sober server,...+READ
This is the most ridiculous advice I've ever heard. Seriously, if my server is so high that it is noticeable, I'm not supposed to complain? What if my bus driver is high? Or the EMT who responds to my 911 call? I am trusting my server to be sure that there is no shellfish in my food so that I can eat it without worrying that I'm going to get a bad allergic reaction. I think I want a sober server, thank you.-COLLAPSE
This is some of the most ridiculous advice I have ever heard. I would be as upset by a server who is high, as I would one who was drunk, or on any drug. They are at work, interacting with the public, and getting high, drunk, whatever is completely unprofessional, as is your suggesting that it is OK. What someone does on their own time is fine, but not on the job.
I have nothing against the use of mood enhancing chemicals taken in privacy/leisure time, but why should servers be regarded as a special case to be permitted to use them at work?
Is the implication that their work is so lacking in importance and affect on others that it doesn't matter if they are not firing on all cylinders?
If I was a server I'd be offended.
I feel no responsibility at all for covering for someone who's high on the job. If they care so little about keeping it that they'd get high while working, then they deserve to lose it.
I would just hope that the server would have the decency to compensate for their lack of service by offering to me whatever drug they're sampling.
The real question: Will your server share?
To Karli.s.6785- I deal with horrific attitudes from my students all the time. Should I go get stoned?
I realize that yoga is not going to work for everyone, but take your frustrations out during your personal time. When you're at work, be a professional. If you can't or choose not to, don't cry when you lose your job.
I have to 100% disagree with Helen on this one. I absolutely would complain, especially if it is a place I frequent. As others have pointed out, someone who is high around food is asking for a situation that I don't want to be privy to. I don't care what job you're doing; be a professional. ESPECIALLY in this crappy economy- be lucky you're working!
"A stoned person can't judge his/her own competence." -- so true, Isolda! I'm sure the quoted waitstaff weren't nearly as good at their jobs, nor were their customers having as good a time, as they thought.
We used to wait until 6:30 p.m. to order Calzone's from a local take-out Italian restaurant near my college's campus. Why 6:30? The second shift came on and they were always stoned. The benefit: the Calzones after 6:30 were twice the size of those made before shift change.
You're a towel !
Meh, I used to smoke pot 24-7 when I was in college and was bartending at many of the best restaurants in new orleans. Bartending is a little different from waiting tables, but once it got the slightest bit busy the whole "stoned" feeling went away and I couldn't tell I had smoked anyway. Drinking was a completely different story and drinking definitely impaired my ability to work to my full...+READ
Meh, I used to smoke pot 24-7 when I was in college and was bartending at many of the best restaurants in new orleans. Bartending is a little different from waiting tables, but once it got the slightest bit busy the whole "stoned" feeling went away and I couldn't tell I had smoked anyway. Drinking was a completely different story and drinking definitely impaired my ability to work to my full potential the few times I did it, even drinking in small amounts was a bad idea.-COLLAPSE
I'm not allowed to show up to work high. Why should my server? I'm sure they have to sign a form upon employment promising to not be drunk or high on the job. You wouldn't show up stoned if you worked in an office. Why should working at a restaurant be any different?
This is hardly an uncommon situation is the restaurant world. If you fired every one smoking in the job, you would shut down some of the best restaurants - yes, Michelin starred - in the USA. I'm not suggesting bad service or bad food is acceptable. But to pick on a specific situation that may or may not be the cause of it is silly. A better idea might be to fire every chef serving a bad meal or...+READ
This is hardly an uncommon situation is the restaurant world. If you fired every one smoking in the job, you would shut down some of the best restaurants - yes, Michelin starred - in the USA. I'm not suggesting bad service or bad food is acceptable. But to pick on a specific situation that may or may not be the cause of it is silly. A better idea might be to fire every chef serving a bad meal or server providing bad service. Incompetence is by far more common and more aggravating. Or, vote with your feet.-COLLAPSE
"don't rat your server out, the penalty could be severe?" what the heck, it should be severe. I live in austin where we are pretty accepting, but I wouldn't want a drunk server, I sure don't want a stoned server. They need to be fired, and if they aren't I don't ever need to eat in that place again. It would show a lack of care for their staff since a drunk/stoned server can be dangerous in a...+READ
"don't rat your server out, the penalty could be severe?" what the heck, it should be severe. I live in austin where we are pretty accepting, but I wouldn't want a drunk server, I sure don't want a stoned server. They need to be fired, and if they aren't I don't ever need to eat in that place again. It would show a lack of care for their staff since a drunk/stoned server can be dangerous in a fast paced kitchen with sharp objects and hot food. And it would show a lack of concern for their customers since my guess is that those drunk/stoned would not provide the best service. Helena your knowledge of appropriate professional behavior is highly suspect at this point.-COLLAPSE
I'm with chefscott67 on this one -- stoned/drunk/high-on-whatever employees are not only a liability, but also a reflection of what is happening behind the scenes... and whether or not the management gives a damn. The servers who claim to perform well while stoned just don't remember putting their hand down their pants to scratch their crotch before they pick up their customer's roll from the...+READ
I'm with chefscott67 on this one -- stoned/drunk/high-on-whatever employees are not only a liability, but also a reflection of what is happening behind the scenes... and whether or not the management gives a damn. The servers who claim to perform well while stoned just don't remember putting their hand down their pants to scratch their crotch before they pick up their customer's roll from the floor. (Yum!) Don't eat, don't tip... just leave and never go back.-COLLAPSE
If the service is bad, no matter what the cause, then yes, I'll complain. I don't care why it's bad. Bad service is bad service and I don't want to pay for it. And I seriously doubt most stoned people could do a good job waiting tables or cooking. I know I was a total idiot when I used to get high, but at the time, I thought I was doing just fine. A stoned person can't judge his/her own...+READ
If the service is bad, no matter what the cause, then yes, I'll complain. I don't care why it's bad. Bad service is bad service and I don't want to pay for it. And I seriously doubt most stoned people could do a good job waiting tables or cooking. I know I was a total idiot when I used to get high, but at the time, I thought I was doing just fine. A stoned person can't judge his/her own competence.-COLLAPSE
I'm sorry, if the service sucks, I'm telling the manager and if it gets the server "in trouble," it's his/her fault. They're supposed to be adults who have to take adult responsibility for what they do. Why should I, or anybody, suffer through a terrible evening, whatever the reason? Life is too short.
Tracie
@mold: It most definitely is, you needed to take the medication for a legitimate health issue...not some stupid "oh I can't handle work so I'll get drunk/high" scenario. I'm sorry that you were feeling like that while working.
I remember my dad telling me once that he and his wife went somewhere and their server was missing all of her (either bottom or top?) teeth. They then proceeded to tell me that they thought she was on meth.
"If my server is doing the job well, I don't care what s/he's smoked, snorted, injected, or swallowed."
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I do, if they have track marks and the kind of personal hygiene usually displayed by someone willing to shoot up then I suddenly don't care how good the service is, it's just disgusting. I don't worry about letting the "management" know either because if they were doing their job...+READ
"If my server is doing the job well, I don't care what s/he's smoked, snorted, injected, or swallowed."
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I do, if they have track marks and the kind of personal hygiene usually displayed by someone willing to shoot up then I suddenly don't care how good the service is, it's just disgusting. I don't worry about letting the "management" know either because if they were doing their job in the first place it wouldn't put me in the position of having to do it for them (observe staff).
I agree with the rest of it though, performance is really the only thing that matters if it includes hygiene. Dumb, slow, stupid, and lazy really are just factors to be considered along with possible drug use. Instead of testing for one and not the others I say leave it in managements hands and mine as well when I decide where to eat.
I'm biased though, some of the best restaurant staff I've known couldn't pass a drug test with two weeks notice and undoubtedly would be replaced with sub par replacements if such testing restrictions were implemented.-COLLAPSE
I frankly have had enough of drug using employess.
Dinners have been ruined by jabbering and/or 'out there' servers.
Carpet being laid and the guy was so high he fell asleep on it.
Window being installed and the guy fell off the ladder. sniff sniff. He begged me not to call his boss.
I now will leave the restaurant and I"m not paying the bill. That also means I"m not tipping.
NO one works in...+READ
I frankly have had enough of drug using employess.
Dinners have been ruined by jabbering and/or 'out there' servers.
Carpet being laid and the guy was so high he fell asleep on it.
Window being installed and the guy fell off the ladder. sniff sniff. He begged me not to call his boss.
I now will leave the restaurant and I"m not paying the bill. That also means I"m not tipping.
NO one works in my home unless the company is bonded and insured and has drug tested employees.-COLLAPSE
I think anyone in customer service probably gets high just to put up with the customers. Sometimes it's a lot of fun to get a server who's been toking, especially if you've just been doing the same! LOL! Chill people.
If my server is doing the job well, I don't care what s/he's smoked, snorted, injected, or swallowed. If not, I don't care what s/he hasn't. And if performance deteriorates past a certain point, management needs to know.
But sharing suspicions about **why** performance is impaired is a waste of breath. Accusations about substance abuse may be accurate, or they may not - it's pretty hard to...+READ
If my server is doing the job well, I don't care what s/he's smoked, snorted, injected, or swallowed. If not, I don't care what s/he hasn't. And if performance deteriorates past a certain point, management needs to know.
But sharing suspicions about **why** performance is impaired is a waste of breath. Accusations about substance abuse may be accurate, or they may not - it's pretty hard to distinguish a stranger who's having a mild insulin reaction from one who's a little drunk. Describe the service, identify the problems, and let the manager deal with them.
As far as those who are throwing their hands up in the air and wailing that there should be no tolerance for weed-smoking waiters because it's illegal, all I can say is that the servers interviewed work in the Bay Area, where possession of marijuana is a less serious offense than driving solo in the carpool lane. And it isn't an offense at all if you have a doctor's recommendation; you just stroll into a brightly-lit dispensary, review the menu on an iPad, and purchase all the high-quality "medicine" you want (earning rewards points on your VISA card in the process) in complete compliance with state law.-COLLAPSE
I'm having trouble with the concept that you shouldn't report your server for being high and incompetent because they might get fired. If the server is too stupid to realize that showing up for work stoned (or drunk, for that matter) is a dumb, potentially dangerous and illegal idea, it's certainly not my job to cover for them.
There are two themes in the comments I'm 100% in agreement with. First, if the waiter screws up the order you have a right to complain to management, and it doesn't have to be due to pharmaceuticals or alcohol. Bad service will drive business away. Second, an impaired server can be dangerously clumsy and is a lawsuit waiting to happen.
Have to agree with Ruth. I've smoked plenty of pot, and waited plenty of tables, but never together. It seems like a great way to get burned/ slip and fall/ etc. There WERE times when I had to work while on heavy pain meds, because I couldn't afford to take a sick day for my kidney problems, but that's another issue. I think.
I'm stoned right now maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan
Wow, I'm glad I'm not the only person that has experience this scenario. I took my wife and friends to one of my favorite breweries for dinner and beers. (I won't mention the name of the brewery, but they are in NW Indiana, and are famous for a stout they release once a year.) I was so proud of this establishment until that night. The waiter seemed to not be paying attention to us, they were out...+READ
Wow, I'm glad I'm not the only person that has experience this scenario. I took my wife and friends to one of my favorite breweries for dinner and beers. (I won't mention the name of the brewery, but they are in NW Indiana, and are famous for a stout they release once a year.) I was so proud of this establishment until that night. The waiter seemed to not be paying attention to us, they were out of most everything we tried to order, and the staff kept disappearing to the brewing area. So I got up from the table and walked back into the area and found them with three bongs, and bunch of food. I was upset to say the least. my friends and I finished our fries (fries were one of the few things they had in stock) and beers and left. My friends have refused to go back since.-COLLAPSE
Once again, Helena is promoting the idea that being stoned/drunk/high is no big deal. Put me in the "if the server is high enough that I can tell he's too high"/"crappy service should be reported to the manager, whatever the cause"/"it's not the customer's job to cover for the server" column.
Summer's here and we have a return to the glory days of crazy for this column. This one really does compare to some of the all time greats like: "is it OK to steal glassware from a bar if I don't want to buy my own because I'm saving up for a vacation?" "is it OK to go into my neighbor's yard and steal fruit off their trees?"
Having said that I agree with everyone who pointed out that plenty...+READ
Summer's here and we have a return to the glory days of crazy for this column. This one really does compare to some of the all time greats like: "is it OK to steal glassware from a bar if I don't want to buy my own because I'm saving up for a vacation?" "is it OK to go into my neighbor's yard and steal fruit off their trees?"
Having said that I agree with everyone who pointed out that plenty of people work when they're high, in and out of restaurants. They shouldn't, of course, but they do. If the service sucks, leave a small tip and tell the manager. If the manager can't even tell if a server is high then that's an even bigger problem for the restaurant anyway.-COLLAPSE
This article is ridiculous...
I'm a cook, been in the industry for more than a little while.
Can some people work well while they're stoned? Probably. But it's my experience that for every one person who can, there are 50 who can't...but usually still think they can.
One of my first jobs there would be times when the entire kitchen staff and half of the front of the house staff would pile...+READ
This article is ridiculous...
I'm a cook, been in the industry for more than a little while.
Can some people work well while they're stoned? Probably. But it's my experience that for every one person who can, there are 50 who can't...but usually still think they can.
One of my first jobs there would be times when the entire kitchen staff and half of the front of the house staff would pile into the chef's van and smoke up. Sometimes it'd be a quick break, other times they'd be out there for a half hour, leaving me (a fairly green line cook) working the kitchen alone. When they got back they'd chew me out for being backed up.......and then I'd still feel like I was working alone.
When the owner/manager found out about this he was pissed. He was pissed because they weren't clocking out for the half hour breaks when they'd disappear. Needless to say I found a new job and the restaurant closed shortly after.
This is an extreme case but has really made me aware of these sorts of things both as a cook and a diner. Like a lot of other folks on here said...Bad service is bad service. I'm not worried about you losing your job if you can't do it right. That's what should happen if you're a screw up.-COLLAPSE
the one time I did it (was manager's last shift and she was being bad, bad, bad), I was too paranoid to deal with people for a good 20 minutes. good thing it was a slow night!
Damn... missed a k...
This column consistently demonstrates to be the most absurd on Chow... maybe that's the point? What's an opinion article without ruffling some feathers -- not much. While I personally don't care if people recreationally use drugs, I do, and will, give a damn when it affects me. I think the high point in this article (get it?) is when "Sean" gives us the sage advice of not reporting horrible...+READ
This column consistently demonstrates to be the most absurd on Chow... maybe that's the point? What's an opinion article without ruffling some feathers -- not much. While I personally don't care if people recreationally use drugs, I do, and will, give a damn when it affects me. I think the high point in this article (get it?) is when "Sean" gives us the sage advice of not reporting horrible service because they might get fired! What?!?! I always report bad service, and if their manager notices they smell a little funny and investigates, that's their problem -- they new when coming to work that night they were risking their job by being high.-COLLAPSE
so.....................my comment about smoking marijuana was removed ..........
"Though now many of my recent restaurant experiences make way more sense . . ."
Ain't that the truth!
I find it a bit funny how many people here seem outraged by stoned/high kitchen/wait staff. It is in tons of places. From a taco stand to high-end. You have probably been served by many stoned wait staff. And if you didn't notice, where is the harm. You must realize people are high around you all the time, for a lot of people out there who are daily smokers, you couldn't tell.
*Note I am an...+READ
I find it a bit funny how many people here seem outraged by stoned/high kitchen/wait staff. It is in tons of places. From a taco stand to high-end. You have probably been served by many stoned wait staff. And if you didn't notice, where is the harm. You must realize people are high around you all the time, for a lot of people out there who are daily smokers, you couldn't tell.
*Note I am an ex-smoker, don't smoke pot anymore.-COLLAPSE
Any restaurant that puts up with high employees is a restaurant that doesn't care about workplace safety/work comp/food safety, etc., etc. I was a server many years ago and I didn't need to get high to get through a shift. I've got a current job dealing with lots of unpleasant and irate people. Still don't do drugs. Some people need to undergo 'work hardening' and grow up.
absolutely tonight got shit service AND lousy meal from a restaurant that has always been there in spades. Well you might say one bad night ok..but when arrogance meets the road and no apologies to the complaints then there is good reason to call out the restaurant. My question is was the server, manager AND chef smoking the same weed or were they just the 2nd string??
"Don't rat your server out to the manager, because the penalty could be severe"
So it is the customer's responsibility to hide poor performance from the boss? If the penalty is severe, then the server is clearly doing something wrong. At the same time, managers who don't recognize this type of behavior clearly aren't doing their job properly either.
Anyone who's worked in the food service industry knows that it's rife with drug use - not a judgment, just an observation. That being said, if I did complain, I wouldn't say "My server was clearly stoned, which resulted in crappy service." I'd simply report the crappy service. Maybe the guy or gal's eyes were bloodshot due to seasonal allergies. Shit service is shit service, no matter the...+READ
Anyone who's worked in the food service industry knows that it's rife with drug use - not a judgment, just an observation. That being said, if I did complain, I wouldn't say "My server was clearly stoned, which resulted in crappy service." I'd simply report the crappy service. Maybe the guy or gal's eyes were bloodshot due to seasonal allergies. Shit service is shit service, no matter the condition of the server.-COLLAPSE
you try being a server.. sure it is a no brainer job.. but when you get assholes and bitches who completly make everything complicated... weed helps. makes it so you laugh instead of raging out. and its true. good servers know how to do it in their sleep. so why not get stoned.
What the hell is this article? Drugs are illegal. Period. It's never okay to get high, especially not when you're balancing heavy trays of hot food in the middle of a busy restaurant. Such idiocy, I swear.
What kind of dope fiend cannot even wait until at least their shift is over before getting stoned??
agreed...I have co-workers who drink before/during/in between shifts and I find it highly unprofessional. Not only is it highly illegal in BC to consume any alcohol while serving it, but it also is a liability for the restaurant itself. I don't see how drugs of any sort are different.
In my restaurant now and in every other restaurant and private club I have ever worked the rule is if you are high (or drunk or tripping or whatever) you are done. Period. Don't care how well you can "handle" whatever you have done. It is way too much of a liability from my end as an owner or manager. It is a very simple and easily followed rule and I've never had any problems with people not...+READ
In my restaurant now and in every other restaurant and private club I have ever worked the rule is if you are high (or drunk or tripping or whatever) you are done. Period. Don't care how well you can "handle" whatever you have done. It is way too much of a liability from my end as an owner or manager. It is a very simple and easily followed rule and I've never had any problems with people not liking it.-COLLAPSE
If a server is high enough that diners notice, then yeah it's a problem. But to those of you in Readerland getting the most indignant at the thought of your waiters potentially smoking marijuana - you've probably been served by many stoned waiters and not noticed in the least. It's not uncommon.
Hey, so, a question for those of you that toke. (I don't, as I'm a huuuuge square, but, whatevs.) To me, an outsider, this seems analogous to being "A little drunk" while working? Is this the same thing?
I mean, if I was the manager, I would just say "do it after work."
I've worked in restaurants for almost 10 years and I'm of the mind that a server shouldn't get stoned at or before work. There are plenty of mistakes that the patron never sees. If I have to remake a table's food because the server rang the order in wrong because he/she is busy/flustered that's one thing. But if's because they are high, they are just wasting my time and the patron's. Meanwhile...+READ
I've worked in restaurants for almost 10 years and I'm of the mind that a server shouldn't get stoned at or before work. There are plenty of mistakes that the patron never sees. If I have to remake a table's food because the server rang the order in wrong because he/she is busy/flustered that's one thing. But if's because they are high, they are just wasting my time and the patron's. Meanwhile the kitchen gets blamed for being slow. If you can't do your job without being high(especially if it's because you dislike it) you should probably find another profession.-COLLAPSE
I agree with JeMange. Patrons pay good money for proper service. If you can't perform your job properly under the influence, then you've had too much. If I want crappy service from some tweaked out server, I'll go to waffle house, but that's not something I want at a "fine" dining establishment. A proper manager would want to know about a stoned server providing sub-par service. This means the...+READ
I agree with JeMange. Patrons pay good money for proper service. If you can't perform your job properly under the influence, then you've had too much. If I want crappy service from some tweaked out server, I'll go to waffle house, but that's not something I want at a "fine" dining establishment. A proper manager would want to know about a stoned server providing sub-par service. This means the patron is not having a good experience, and is not likely to come back.-COLLAPSE
I'm sure not gonna tell the manager "hey, my server is stoned out of his gourd", but if I'm getting really lousy service I might ask for another server - for whatever reason. Its up to the server to be able to work it out with his boss. If someone can't do the job, then don't show up for work.
People who suck at their job high probably just always suck at their job. Most people aren't good at being servers. It's a skill, and it takes practice, and it's still always hard. Not their fault. What was an un-sanctimonious phrase at my old restaurant? "Thank god for every tip."
Thanks for a realistic article on a real-life issue in the restaurant business.
I waited tables for several years at a cafe where smoking before, during, and after your shift was almost encouraged. After several attempts, I soon found out I couldn't do it - I was too easily confused, and was even more awkward with my tables. I learned it was best to wait until I was had closed out my tables,...+READ
Thanks for a realistic article on a real-life issue in the restaurant business.
I waited tables for several years at a cafe where smoking before, during, and after your shift was almost encouraged. After several attempts, I soon found out I couldn't do it - I was too easily confused, and was even more awkward with my tables. I learned it was best to wait until I was had closed out my tables, and figured out my bank. Sometimes smoking a bit made my closing sidework a little less humiliating. (I was always amazed how the line cooks could get "baked" before a shift, and deal with a busy brunch shift.)
I will assume the earlier comments were written by people who have never worked in the service industry or other demoralizing jobs, and/or "foodies" who have worked office jobs their entire lives. (Sorry, I'm still bitter.)
For better or worse, recreational and hard drugs are all around us, you just don't know it.-COLLAPSE
I've always told the people I've worked with, that I don't care if they are high. As long as I can't tell they are high, and they are doing their job properly.
If they manage that, why should I care if someone is high? Doesn't seem much different from someone wired on energy drinks.
Helena, you do realize doing drugs - even marijuana - is illegal, right?
Are you kidding me??? I shouldn't complain the manager because they'll get FIRED??? The unemployment rate is 9%, if you can't appreciate your job enough to not do drugs while you're on the clock, you don't deserve it.
Wait, what? Is this for real, or troll bait? If I can tell my server is high, s/he is too high. This goes for anyone doing any job, as far as I'm concerned. Except maybe working in a head shop; those folks should probably get an exemption.
Though now many of my recent restaurant experiences make way more sense . . .
And my performance actually improved............hahahha
I love how most of these articles, which are supposed to be aimed at helping diners, are written from the perspective of a service person. So, if some utterly baked wait-person forgets half my order, resulting in my night being ruined, I shouldn't complain the the manager? Give me a break!
I've been known to indulge a bit myself, but I don't do it on the job as performance will invariably...+READ
I love how most of these articles, which are supposed to be aimed at helping diners, are written from the perspective of a service person. So, if some utterly baked wait-person forgets half my order, resulting in my night being ruined, I shouldn't complain the the manager? Give me a break!
I've been known to indulge a bit myself, but I don't do it on the job as performance will invariably suffer, despite what Cheech or Chong happen to claim.-COLLAPSE