
Adam Bryan of Bar Congress in Austin, Texas, told me that when he was manager of another great local spot, the East Side Show Room, he stopped carrying olives, one of the side benefits of which was that he could reject orders for dirty martinis without having to seem snobby. "The number of grossly dirty martinis served in this town is astounding," he said.
There was a short period in my youth when I myself was a dirty martini drinker. I had started dating a beautiful young woman who appeared to have a great, worldly taste for everything—music, clothes, cocktails. Her drink was the Ketel One dirty martini. And for a while it became mine, seeming, at the time, to be the height of sophistication.
Today, my loathing for that cocktail is intense. I agree with Marco Dionysos of San Francisco's Smuggler's Cove, who calls the dirty martini "a way for people who don't care for the taste of alcohol to pretend they're having a grown-up drink."
But Misty Kalkofen, one of the cocktail whizzes at Drink in Boston, stands up for partisans of briny cocktails (and for my younger self). "I don't think it's fair to make a sweeping generalization about the dirty martini drinker," she says. "Consider when it rose in popularity [in the ’90s], during a time when the majority of one's options on a cocktail list consisted of a base of vodka topped with several layers of overly sweet, artificially flavored modifiers. If I had to choose between a sickly-sweet nightmare or a dirty martini, I'd go dirty martini as well."
But not if that dirty martini is actually filthy. As Dionysos says, "Most bars pour warm olive juice right out of the garnish tray. Yuck." Kalkofen adds, "That warm garnish tray is the perfect breeding ground for all types of bacteria."
With that in mind, more bars are separating the olive brine and keeping it refrigerated or using a product like Dirty Sue, which is prebottled olive brine. At Drink, Kalkofen drains picholine olives from the brine, covers them in dry vermouth with thyme and sage, and lets them sit for a couple of weeks. When a guest orders a dirty martini, she says, "We muddle approximately four olives with a pinch of salt to get that 'savory' note that is the holy grail of the dirty martini drinker." Suddenly, it's not sounding that bad.
And from there, Kalkofen says, "I do my best to introduce the guest to the wonderful joys of manzanilla and fino sherries." She's had luck converting customers from dirty martini drinkers with cocktails like the Bamboo (equal parts dry vermouth and dry amontillado sherry with orange bitters) or the Dunaway (fino, Cynar, a touch of maraschino, and orange bitters).
"It's so common for bartenders to judge a person based upon the cocktail they order, and honestly, it says nothing about the human drinking the dirty martini other than they may have never had someone willing to take the time to shepherd them through a true cocktail experience," says Kalkofen. Thank you, Misty, for the path to redemption. Younger me, I forgive you for liking the dirty martini!
Damn damn damn! I love the gin martini so dirty it's mother is ashamed of it. I don't care if those around me think me unsophisticated. I offer the dirty gin martini to guests aboard my plane (a 2008 Dassault Falcon 900DX EASy), and if they think me unsophisticated, then ... they can hop out at any time.
I'm surprised at the volume of comments on this. I can't think of a more boring food-related problem than to be embarrassed about liking (or having liked) dirty martinis. The only way it could be worse is if you quoted "experts" on either side of the issue. Oh wait, you did that too.
(I tease because I love. Please keep giving us stories about alcohol.)
I wonder what sort of harsh judgement beer lovers get from bartenders.
Personally, I know that a judicious splash of clean flavorful brine (either from olives or from Tomolives), given that the gin is a balanced London dry and the vermouth is fresh, makes the botanicals just pop. Not too much, mind you...and that brine must be pristine. I gave up on ordering a properly dirtied martini out, only make 'em at home where I am in control...and when all is just so, it is...+READ
Personally, I know that a judicious splash of clean flavorful brine (either from olives or from Tomolives), given that the gin is a balanced London dry and the vermouth is fresh, makes the botanicals just pop. Not too much, mind you...and that brine must be pristine. I gave up on ordering a properly dirtied martini out, only make 'em at home where I am in control...and when all is just so, it is the perfect preprandial.-COLLAPSE
I love the folks at Drink. They care about cocktails but aren't judgmental. A good bartender can be trusted to make a drink you'll love. I've never had a bad one at Drink.
Dirty martinis are okay, but if not making a gin martini, I want a martinivitz (vodka martini with kosher dill pickle juice.) Vodka blasphemy maybe, put pretty tasty
I cannot believe that people give a damn about things like that. What a bunch of stupid condescension and folderol. I don't care about your fedora or your Vespa or your sleeve tat or your loft. Serve me what I order.
Never bothered by dirty martini's - Vodka Martini's though are another vile vile matter.
I like me a Sazerac one of the oldest original cocktails (spirit, water, sugar and bitters) and I like me a dirty vodka martini. As the Mr. Mackay stated he liked drinking the dirty martini in youth and now loathes it perhaps because his palate is more "sophisticated" or maybe it's the association w/ the girl.
GO OLIVES!
Holy shit. Surely any self-respecting Chowhound is secure enough in their own culinary knowledge to not care what the bartender thinks about their drink order. Let alone to be worrying about anybody else's drink order! Oops, I forgot - this is the CHOW part of the site. Never mind.
Last night I ordered a very dirty martini just because of this article. it was delicious.
And I suppose this would be a bad time to tell this poor bartender that on occasion I rather enjoy having sherry over ice?
What about those of us who quite like the taste of alcohol, and just happen to love olives? I've been known to sample straight olive brine out of the jar, no vodka needed.
Honestly, if a bar told me they didn't stock olives, I'd think they were a pretty crappy bar that couldn't be bothered to stock the mixings of common drinks. If I picked up on the attitude that they thought my tastes in...+READ
What about those of us who quite like the taste of alcohol, and just happen to love olives? I've been known to sample straight olive brine out of the jar, no vodka needed.
Honestly, if a bar told me they didn't stock olives, I'd think they were a pretty crappy bar that couldn't be bothered to stock the mixings of common drinks. If I picked up on the attitude that they thought my tastes in drinks were sub-standard, and they were trying to steer me towards what they thought was acceptable, I'd take my money elsewhere.-COLLAPSE
This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. What an arrogant $%#!!. The guest should get whatever he or she wants without fear of some self appointed celebrity bar manager deciding that it's gauche.
Checking for a feeling of shame . . . going in deep . . . looking at my mood from all angles . . . my motivations . . . my need for approval . . . nope. None. No shame. I feel pretty good about myself, in fact. But thank you! A moment of self-examination never hurts. Oh, and Dirty Sue is not a good product, in my humble (and, clearly, suspect) opinion.
Here's the link to the aforementioned thread:
http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/703095
As stated on the long thread already on Chowhound about this (which, yeah, I started: dirty martinis are gross), everything about this drink screams rookie. I'm especially fond of the Grey Goose/Ketel One/Chopin/expensive vodka of choice being used. It's just laughable.
I mean, I can kind of see why a vodka "martini" drinker might like them. You're drinking a glass of vodka- it doesn't have...+READ
As stated on the long thread already on Chowhound about this (which, yeah, I started: dirty martinis are gross), everything about this drink screams rookie. I'm especially fond of the Grey Goose/Ketel One/Chopin/expensive vodka of choice being used. It's just laughable.
I mean, I can kind of see why a vodka "martini" drinker might like them. You're drinking a glass of vodka- it doesn't have any flavor, so anything additional is helpful. But with gin? Why ruin sweet, sweet gin?
I'm normally a "drink what you like" kind of girl, but man, a dirty martini is a travesty.-COLLAPSE
Am I reading the same article? Misty Kalkofen (a stellar bartender, which means she's also a warm and hospitable one) is precisely *defending* dirty martini drinkers. She's also offering alternatives to their drink of choice. What's wrong with that?
Huh? I like my filthy martini, and I like other things too, like certain gins and vodkas straight up or with a twist.
Lighten up.
Apparently it's not possible for someone with decent taste to like a dirty martini. Vodka has basically no flavor, so I don't see how a dirty martini is covering it up. And here's another crazy thought - maybe I like the taste of olives! In fact, I'm also a fan of the hot and dirty, which adds jalapeno juice to the glass. I'm a real cretin.
what the heck happened to people enjoying what they like to drink without hipster foodie snobs telling us what is and isn't proper?
I'm a little confused by the bartender who is busy trying to convert her customers from dirty martinis to something completely different--namely sherry. Perhaps she has a few too many cases in back.
Real martini's require gin!
The whole point of brine is that it is a preservative, stop worrying about evil germs the whole time.
I have personally worked as a bartender at an "upscale" chain in Minneapolis; it rhymes with "rave", lol, and they re-used olive juice from the garnish tray quite often. Always grossed me out and if I was prepping, I was sure to get it straight from the jar.