
Dear Helena,
The other day I was loading several bags of groceries into my car when I observed a man rooting through a dumpster near the back door of the store. He had already found a bunch of bananas and seemed to be holding a plastic box containing what looked like a perfectly good carrot cake, with only slightly mashed frosting. I can't believe how much I spend on groceries every week; what if I was to try that? But is this stealing? Is it "rude" to rummage through a business's trash? Is there a polite way go to about it?
–Mashed Cake Tastes Just as Good
Dear Mashed Cake,
It's illegal to trespass on private property, even if all you want to do is salvage some overripe bananas. So don't climb over any fences in your pursuit of free food. Stick to trash bags and dumpsters that are on public property. New York is great for dumpster diving, says Cindy Rosin, a spokesperson for Freegan.info, since all the trash is left out on the sidewalk. Rosin combs through the city's garbage to keep herself supplied with coffee and "organic, unprocessed food." Rummaging through trash that is on public property is usually not specifically prohibited by law. And it's unlikely to bother the business in question if you go about it politely—that is, discreetly.
Of course, some people, like Rosin, salvage food in order to make a political statement—in her case, "to highlight the wastefulness of capitalism." Obviously if this is your goal, you'll want to go in broad daylight. But if you're just aiming to score some free food, then it's better not to be theatrical about it. Follow the rules below.
1. Go early or late. Forage under cover of night, says Ran Prieur, a former dumpster diver now living in Spokane, Washington, who has found delicacies such as wild rice, breaded halibut, and "really high-end bacon." Or go early in the morning, says Keith McHenry, a cofounder of Food Not Bombs. Workers sort through produce and other items before the store opens, and discard anything imperfect. Visit the dumpsters at dawn and you might snag some barely bruised apples or, as McHenry once did, "a $250 wheel of imported French cheese."
2. Stick to grocery stores. Restaurants are more likely to be annoyed by dumpster divers, since arguably they have a greater interest in maintaining a classy image. But there's no point in bothering with them anyway, says Prieur. "Often the leftovers are all mixed together and shoved into a big bag." Even dumpster divers have their standards.
3. Leave it neat. Don't strew garbage everywhere like a wild animal. As well as being rude, this kind of behavior could lead to a business locking its dumpsters or stowing its trash somewhere you can't get to it. In New York, says Rosin, it might also cause the city or the sanitation companies to give the business a ticket. So pick up after other dumpster divers, if they've left a mess, and retie all garbage bags. It's easier to be neat if you come with the proper equipment, says Prieur: work gloves, a pocket flashlight, and, of course, plenty of plastic bags.
4. Share your spoils. It's rude and greedy to hog your finds. "The best thing I ever found was a whole case of extra-virgin olive oil," says Prieur. "I took three bottles and set the case behind the dumpster, and later other people came and took the rest of it." Or spread the love among your friends. Rosin remembers: "We found a five- or ten-pound chocolate bar and shared it with everyone we knew and it still took a month to go through it." But if you serve your finds to your dinner guests, be honest about the ingredients' provenance. Don't dish up a meal of salvaged halibut followed by chocolate dumpster soufflé and then say, "Guess where your dinner came from?"
I’m a Dumpster diver or as I call myself a hunter & gatherer. I live in government housing now after becoming a TBI (Traumatic Brain Injury) patient, & my husband of 28 years left me. I lived in a $300, thousand dollar house before this. I’ve worked as an assistant vault teller in a bank, & then ran my own alternative health care business, so as you can see my life has changed considerably. I...+READ
I’m a Dumpster diver or as I call myself a hunter & gatherer. I live in government housing now after becoming a TBI (Traumatic Brain Injury) patient, & my husband of 28 years left me. I lived in a $300, thousand dollar house before this. I’ve worked as an assistant vault teller in a bank, & then ran my own alternative health care business, so as you can see my life has changed considerably. I started doing this because I saw someone from my building pull some bread out of the Dumpster, so I looked & was amazed to see probably 50 loaves of bread. Since I only get $34.00 in Food stamps & $642.00 a month in Social Security Disability Insurance. I pay $242.00 in rent every little bit helps. It wasn’t long living in the building before I realized there were elderly people who by the end of the month had no food at all. Most of them are like I am & have no car which means even though there is a food bank in town there is no way to get there & get any of those resources. Paying for a taxi is to expensive. So every night I go to the Dumpster & salvage what I can for myself & the elderly in the building, & handicapped. They all know where I get it, & are appreciative. I’ve got whole cases of eggs, after going through them & cleaning them because it was dropped out of the case of 24 I got 22 cartons. Most the time there is only 1 or 2 broken in the carton if the eggs are thrown out. Bread of all kinds is thrown out all the time, along with vegetables. Crackers & other boxed good are found on occasions. About 2 to 3 times a year the companies seem to clear the shelves of all the candy & cookies from that company & I have got 3 to 5 large garbage bags full of these at those times. Canned items are seldom in the trash unless they are bent, although sometimes if an item is not going to be carried I have got a whole case. I have found cases of frozen items that were that days date or the next days. Virgin Olive Oil where one was broke, the other 5 were fine was a great found. Cans of Mixed nuts & cans of Cashews nuts just out of date were great. My favorite fine of course always is meat. In the cold weather it is the safest of course even though I check every day, if I see the meat man come out it is even better. I have got very lucky and got as much in one day as 3 packs of 6 steaks in each. Packaged sausage of 4 packs & 5 packages of lunch meat & a package a hamburger all out of date that day were also found. One time I got a lobster, & another time I got two crab legs. I always pray for this business. I also pray I don’t get caught, because it is a $500.00 fine. I have talked to the manager of the store & thanked her & told her that without what they throw out people in our building would starve. She said they had never called the police since she worked there. I felt that was about all she could do to say she would not cause us a problem at getting the food. I do pick up around the Dumpster & try to respect the area out of appreciation.-COLLAPSE
I've heard of dumpster diving for non perishable objects such as dishes, furniture, architectural elements, ect but not food! This is really disgusting to me, even if your saying the food isn't bad the container its been sitting in is no less than vile! I have worked in places where we shared the dumpster area with food service businesses and its just absolutely vomit inducing back there! I work...+READ
I've heard of dumpster diving for non perishable objects such as dishes, furniture, architectural elements, ect but not food! This is really disgusting to me, even if your saying the food isn't bad the container its been sitting in is no less than vile! I have worked in places where we shared the dumpster area with food service businesses and its just absolutely vomit inducing back there! I work in the medical field and just because you can't see it or "it looks fine" it may not be, even goes for things still in the store to be sold sometimes. While I understand you have to do what you have to do to feed yourself if you are financially unstable. However if you can afford your food what are you doing??? Putting your health and well being at risk to save a bit of money? If you want to save money maybe buy less gas or not have that fancy cell phone plan or stop buying new games for your ps3.-COLLAPSE
I have to comment here, as someone who worked at a food establishment where people routinely tried to forage through our dumpsters:
- You might be costing the business money: our garbage company could fine us if there were untied bags in the dumpster (or anything else that made a mess). We could also get fines from the health department or our landlord for a messy dumpster area.
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I have to comment here, as someone who worked at a food establishment where people routinely tried to forage through our dumpsters:
- You might be costing the business money: our garbage company could fine us if there were untied bags in the dumpster (or anything else that made a mess). We could also get fines from the health department or our landlord for a messy dumpster area.
- You don't know why those items were thrown away! Sure, plenty of perfectly good food is thrown away, but a lot of it is put in the dumpster for very good reason. Food can become contaminated in many ways that is not immediately evident. Even if it doesn't make you sick, you could be bringing contaminants into your home and soon your cupboards will be infested with insects.
- If you do this for 'political reasons' because you don't like seeing food wasted rather than absolute necessity, stop kidding yourself. Taking things for your own pantry isn't helping the issue. Instead, get involved. Pretty much every grocery store wants to donate their excess food. The one thing holding them back is getting the food to the food banks and organizations. They rely on volunteers to come pick it up. So if you really want to help, find an organization to work with and go around the city collecting donations. You'll make a much bigger difference that way. Also, you'll get your pick from the donations.-COLLAPSE
Dumpster diving should be left to those who need the food, not as a moral statement.
@shattered: Chow is hardly pioneering in the idea of dumpster diving. It has been a movement growing in popularity for quite a few years now.
Most recent of many article is the NY Times: http://parenting.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/04/07/feeding-your-family-from-a-dumpster/?scp=1&sq=dumpster%20diving&st=cse
And, as there is definitely a political angle to it, it is in fact often done by choice.
Lars Eighner wrote about this topic decades ago. Google him and "On Dumpster Diving", an excerpt from his memoir. By the way, he'll tell you why the D in Dumpster should be capitalized.
"Freeganism"? lol. Right, when in need to try to legitimize something plainly stupid and desperate, co-opt the name of another lifestyle (which is in itself fairly loony in its self-denial of pleasure, but I digress).
Anyway, notice that not ONE person here defending this practice knows someone doing it by choice. Wait, lemme educate the fringe element on the definition of choice: a good...+READ
"Freeganism"? lol. Right, when in need to try to legitimize something plainly stupid and desperate, co-opt the name of another lifestyle (which is in itself fairly loony in its self-denial of pleasure, but I digress).
Anyway, notice that not ONE person here defending this practice knows someone doing it by choice. Wait, lemme educate the fringe element on the definition of choice: a good starting point is having enough money to pay for basic food and shelter!
Now really, I know this story must be getting alot of hits but if CH has any sense at all, they will remove this article as the public health hazard it is.-COLLAPSE
Does eating off room service trays left in the hotel hallway classify as dumpster diving?
http://www.esquire.com/features/answer-fella/legal-to-dumpster-dive-0709
Depending on where you live and the specific circumstances of that dumpsters ownership, I'd caution on the side of knowing the law. If you dive because you have no $ there are plenty of legal ways to eat daily. If you dive cause "you can" know the law in your state. A mistake can be costly.
My roommate dumpster dived some stuff and shortly thereafter I had a cockroach infestation. Do you think it is possible that the two could be connected? That was over a year ago and the problem has since been taken care of. My roommate no longer lives with me and I never suggested to him that the two things could have been connected. I am just wondering if this is a possible danger of dumpster...+READ
My roommate dumpster dived some stuff and shortly thereafter I had a cockroach infestation. Do you think it is possible that the two could be connected? That was over a year ago and the problem has since been taken care of. My roommate no longer lives with me and I never suggested to him that the two things could have been connected. I am just wondering if this is a possible danger of dumpster diving.-COLLAPSE
The hysterical comments here are hilarious. I've been eating out of dumpsters for years. I have dumpstered Trader Joe's for the last 4 days straight. I get tons of produce, bread, and even meat that way. (Yes, even meat.) About 75% of my friends also dumpster, or at least have dumpstered. Nobody gets sick. All it takes is common sense (only frozen meat, wash EVERYTHING, if you have a bad feeling...+READ
The hysterical comments here are hilarious. I've been eating out of dumpsters for years. I have dumpstered Trader Joe's for the last 4 days straight. I get tons of produce, bread, and even meat that way. (Yes, even meat.) About 75% of my friends also dumpster, or at least have dumpstered. Nobody gets sick. All it takes is common sense (only frozen meat, wash EVERYTHING, if you have a bad feeling about it, DON'T EAT IT.)
Nobody should feel ashamed about it. But at the same time, go ahead commenters, spread some fear and disgust. More dumpstered goodies for me!
Oh, and PS: if you can afford the carrot cake, you don't need to dumpster. I do it because my ass is BROKE.-COLLAPSE
I was forced to live out of supermaket discards for two weeks. And I don't want to live through that ever again. It was not dumpster diving but they've given the goods to us as charity (we were charity workers for free in that ***-forsaken place for two weeks). I have never felt worse in my life. My diet was miles from balanced, I couldn't eat anything fresh because of poisoning risk and...+READ
I was forced to live out of supermaket discards for two weeks. And I don't want to live through that ever again. It was not dumpster diving but they've given the goods to us as charity (we were charity workers for free in that ***-forsaken place for two weeks). I have never felt worse in my life. My diet was miles from balanced, I couldn't eat anything fresh because of poisoning risk and everything just tasted off... Never again!-COLLAPSE
No one bashed capitalism. Cindy Rosin, not Chow or Helena or mashed cake, wants to highlight the wastefulness of capitalism. It is just a fact that capitalism has waste as a byporduct. Dumpster divers consume some of the waste. Big deal.
ok I understand the reduce reuse and recycle thing but trash picking for our dinner?... really? you have no idea why that food was thrown out. The food could have been tainted, or recalled, that breaded halibut could have been left out all night by the lazy closing guy and the opening manager 6 hours later had to throw it out when he came in have fun catching a parasite. Barely bruised apples?...+READ
ok I understand the reduce reuse and recycle thing but trash picking for our dinner?... really? you have no idea why that food was thrown out. The food could have been tainted, or recalled, that breaded halibut could have been left out all night by the lazy closing guy and the opening manager 6 hours later had to throw it out when he came in have fun catching a parasite. Barely bruised apples? you know how much a clean unbruised not at the bottom of a trash bag apple costs? 10 cents. That organic carrot cake along with the 10 pound chocolate bar could have been tainted with raw chicken, beef blood or caustic floor cleaner or a myriad of other toxic chemicals restaurants and grocery stores use to clean.-COLLAPSE
Yeah, i'm wondering why its all about portraying capitalism in a bad light. anyway, my brother (who lives in a 1.5 million house) regularly dumpster dives at our local Aldi's. and no, its not filled with items that mass media has told them to discard in favor of new and improved items, only things that are near or past their expiration date (or slightly damaged). bogus, Gub'mint created, dates...+READ
Yeah, i'm wondering why its all about portraying capitalism in a bad light. anyway, my brother (who lives in a 1.5 million house) regularly dumpster dives at our local Aldi's. and no, its not filled with items that mass media has told them to discard in favor of new and improved items, only things that are near or past their expiration date (or slightly damaged). bogus, Gub'mint created, dates that may or may not be related to reality. and yes, he found chocolate too. mmm, mmm, good.-COLLAPSE
An article that supports dumpster diving and bashes capitalism?
I may need to leave Chow. When did this place stop becoming about the food?
Beautiful story, Art! I'm glad you were able to "pay forward" Mr. Takahashi's kindness. There are many lessons in your story that apply to what's going on today, with certain political factions trying to scapegoat people whom they don't consider "real Americans" and who believe that promoting self-serving interests, not the community as a whole, are the best ways to handle tough times. They may...+READ
Beautiful story, Art! I'm glad you were able to "pay forward" Mr. Takahashi's kindness. There are many lessons in your story that apply to what's going on today, with certain political factions trying to scapegoat people whom they don't consider "real Americans" and who believe that promoting self-serving interests, not the community as a whole, are the best ways to handle tough times. They may be protecting their bank accounts, but they're bankrupting their souls.-COLLAPSE
I have a homeless friend (well, he isn't exactly homeless, because I let him live in my shed) - I know that wasn't meant to be funny...but come on - read it out of context... it is hysterical...
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I'm not quite sure why it's hysterical, Toneyette, although I was trying to describe the situation with a light tone. He lives in my (finished, with electricity and heat and an internet...+READ
I have a homeless friend (well, he isn't exactly homeless, because I let him live in my shed) - I know that wasn't meant to be funny...but come on - read it out of context... it is hysterical...
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I'm not quite sure why it's hysterical, Toneyette, although I was trying to describe the situation with a light tone. He lives in my (finished, with electricity and heat and an internet connection) backyard outbuilding but it's marginal in terms of being a "home." After three years I finally talked him into getting into "the system" and applying for various social services. Since the county doctors has declared him permanently mentally (bi-polar) and physically (degenerative joint disease) disabled I'm hoping he'll qualify for SSI and can move into some real housing. But in this economy he's not the only person I know who is living in someone's backyard and yes, eating out of dumpsters. But you know what he does? He has a regular route going into dangerous areas to distribute food from the food bank to the hardcore homeless (people too crazy or strung out to get to a shelter or soup kitchen). Because some people, instead of whining about how they don't have enough, have compassion for those who have even less.-COLLAPSE
This is an article to support dumpster diving? Cover your eyes.
As stupid questions go, I'd give this one an A
During the Depression, the Japanese-American produce manager at our local market used to put the bruised but edible fruits and vegetables in a clean cardboard box and put it on top of the garbage so that when my mother and I came in the early morning it was there for us and our family had fresh vegetables and fruit during the toughest times. I have never forgotten that. Unfortunately the produce...+READ
During the Depression, the Japanese-American produce manager at our local market used to put the bruised but edible fruits and vegetables in a clean cardboard box and put it on top of the garbage so that when my mother and I came in the early morning it was there for us and our family had fresh vegetables and fruit during the toughest times. I have never forgotten that. Unfortunately the produce manager was later interned in the Japanese camps and died there of pneumonia. After the passage of 30 years, I was a City Councilman in Los Angeles for the same neighborhood where we had lived then, and the same market owner came before us for an approval that would save his business. I spoke for it and voted for it, and it carried by my vote. When he later spoke to me, thanking me for my vote, I told him that he should "thank Mr.Takahashi" and explained to him that my long-dead mother cast that vote on Mr. Takahashi's behalf. Arthur Snyder, Los Angeles-COLLAPSE
Instead of dumpster diving to make a political statement, why not start a campaign to convince grocery stores in your area to donate their expired or near-expired foodstuffs to food banks and soup kitchens? We have done that in our small community of 50,000. Our supper house gets regular donations from the big grocery stores. They also donate to Feeding America, which does more to alleviate...+READ
Instead of dumpster diving to make a political statement, why not start a campaign to convince grocery stores in your area to donate their expired or near-expired foodstuffs to food banks and soup kitchens? We have done that in our small community of 50,000. Our supper house gets regular donations from the big grocery stores. They also donate to Feeding America, which does more to alleviate hunger through negotiation than through pointing up people's wastefulness. Nobody wants a lecture. Catch some flies with honey.-COLLAPSE
I find it a bit sad that businesses are still dumping expired food. I have volunteered at a local Food Bank, and they take and redistribute food to the poor that is up to 2 years out of date. Have grocery stores really failed to see that this way they can give back to the community as well as get a pretty decent tax write-off, I'm sure.
The expiration dates are to enable legal sale of the food, not consumption. I was one of the more robust/ political dumpster divers in my time. In my ventures I usually found it best to simply be polite and honest, and time things right. If you visit these locations often enough, you'll discover the standard time that the Corp crew does their clean up and disposal. A real common one is the clean...+READ
The expiration dates are to enable legal sale of the food, not consumption. I was one of the more robust/ political dumpster divers in my time. In my ventures I usually found it best to simply be polite and honest, and time things right. If you visit these locations often enough, you'll discover the standard time that the Corp crew does their clean up and disposal. A real common one is the clean up of supermarket deli counters, with all the ready to eat items being tossed on a daily basis.-COLLAPSE
"It's a humbling lesson that the really poor people I know are among the most generous with what little they have." I have also found that to be true Ruth.
Many years ago one of my mom's friends Wilma went on a camping trip with her family and made a huge score of expired yogurt and cheese at a supermarket dumpster. She was so happy about it. My mom thought it was pretty cool too except this...+READ
"It's a humbling lesson that the really poor people I know are among the most generous with what little they have." I have also found that to be true Ruth.
Many years ago one of my mom's friends Wilma went on a camping trip with her family and made a huge score of expired yogurt and cheese at a supermarket dumpster. She was so happy about it. My mom thought it was pretty cool too except this friend Wilma had a voice that carried, and couldn't resist crowing about it in public. They got the strangest stares. :)
My fantasy is to go dumpster diving at TJ's and "rescue" discarded orchids tossed after they stop blooming. Haven't built up the nerve yet. But if and when I do, if I see any yogurt or cheese I'm grabbing some of it in Wilma's honor.-COLLAPSE
I have a homeless friend (well, he isn't exactly homeless, because I let him live in my shed) - I know that wasn't meant to be funny...but come on - read it out of context... it is hysterical...
"Stick to trash bags and dumpsters that are on public property."
A store's docks are private property, even if there aren't fences. I'm a security guard, so I know. I know you can be arrested for dumpster diving at the facility where I work, but I'm not sure about supermarkets. I wouldn't try it.
Beyond that, expiration dates do have some meaning (I've worked in food retail in the past)....+READ
"Stick to trash bags and dumpsters that are on public property."
A store's docks are private property, even if there aren't fences. I'm a security guard, so I know. I know you can be arrested for dumpster diving at the facility where I work, but I'm not sure about supermarkets. I wouldn't try it.
Beyond that, expiration dates do have some meaning (I've worked in food retail in the past). Things don't magically go bad at the stroke of midnight on the date on the box, but they are a guideline. They should be thought of more as sell-by dates for non-perishables and use-by or freeze-by dates for highly perishable items like meats and dairy. Shelf-stable items are dated with the expectation that they won't be used right away by the customer. Some products (crackers, cereals, etc) can be eaten months after the date, but shouldn't be kept indefinitely. Just last week I opened a very old bag of animal crackers and had to throw it out because the soybean oil in them had turned. The general rule is that if it smells ok, taste it and if it tastes ok, eat it.
Another major reason to avoid dumpster diving is safety. Sharps procedures (for broken glass, etc) are not always followed well. Housecleaning products and medications may be disposed of together. Spoiled food contamination can be serious.
To be safe and avoid legal trouble, go to grocery and bakery outlets if they're nearby. I know there are many here in the Philadelphia area and they can have amazing deals. They sell short-dated, out-dated, and discontinued foods for up to 80% off normal prices. Try google to see if you have them in your area. Some are brand-named (Entemans, Kraft, and Pepridge Farm, among others) and others are discount chains which buy from supermarkets. If you live in the midwest or northeast where there is a lot of food production, check to see if the local producers have outlet sales. I know Godiva's factory is just one in the greater Philadelphia area and has sales to the public on certain days. They're getting rarer these days, but non-chain supermarkets frequently have day olds and outlet sections. Even chain markets sometimes have clearance areas. They're usually at the back of the store or near the stock room doors.
I'm not a freegan, for all of the reasons above, but I'm a definate sale-ivore. I can eat quite well on $5 a day or less, mostly because of outlets.-COLLAPSE
Wow, I can understand homeless people eating out of dumpsters, but those who aren't?? Really?? Even a shelter has better food than what you would find thrown away in some stores' dumpster. It's true grocery stores throw out slightly damaged goods, but all of my stores always have racks in the back by the restrooms with day old bakery items, that many shoppers buy, usually at a discount.
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Wow, I can understand homeless people eating out of dumpsters, but those who aren't?? Really?? Even a shelter has better food than what you would find thrown away in some stores' dumpster. It's true grocery stores throw out slightly damaged goods, but all of my stores always have racks in the back by the restrooms with day old bakery items, that many shoppers buy, usually at a discount.
@papercut - I cannot for the life of me understand why someone would put their own personal liability on the line to feed others, personally or with dumpster food and not worry about someone getting really sick or dying. That's insane. She should make relationships with vendors & stores who would most likely gladly give her their throwaways or seconds for her mission, instead of climbing into a filthy, germ-infested dumpster. And many "freegans" are not homeless at all, just cheap, stupid or lazy. To do this to make a "political statement" is absurd. There are many, less hazardous ways to make a political statement, like, oh, I don't know, volunteer for a campaign or cause you believe in, or, even easier VOTE .-COLLAPSE
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If you don't believe me check it out yourself. There are freegan groups all over the country - if you live in NYC there's even a meetup. Go on a tour and take a look at all the food - perfectly good, usable, often not even past the expiration date - food that gets thrown out. Bakeries throw away bread and pastries at the end of the day; food that's going to hit it's expiration date...+READ
@ Shattered
If you don't believe me check it out yourself. There are freegan groups all over the country - if you live in NYC there's even a meetup. Go on a tour and take a look at all the food - perfectly good, usable, often not even past the expiration date - food that gets thrown out. Bakeries throw away bread and pastries at the end of the day; food that's going to hit it's expiration date in a day (or two or three), coffee, olive oil, etc., etc., etc.
Obviously you've never personally seen what grocery stores - not restaurants, grocery stores - throw out or you'd know better. Stores are afraid of being sued because someone got sick (or believed they got sick) from something they sold so they're overly cautious. But a lot of time it's just that consumers don't want to buy slightly bruised or weird looking fruits or vegetables. Trust me, a LOT of perfectly edible food gets thrown away by grocery stores in this country.
Check out a freegan tour, or even a documentary about food production in this country. I think the first time I heard about freeganism was in one of those Michael Pollan documentaries. And it's not just food in stores - often food is left to rot in fields because the price of that particular "commodity" has dropped too low for it to be profitable for farmers to harvest, transport and sell. All the while people are starving and can't get enough food, or good food, to eat.
Like I said, a sin.-COLLAPSE
"Companies dont just throw stuff like that out without reason." -- well, LawnGnome, maybe they have *a* reason, but it might not be a *good* reason.
A lot of food that's discarded is discarded because of the "expiration date" on the package. But expiration dates have little relationship to whether the food is actually good, especially for shelf goods. Some stores even discard food that's...+READ
"Companies dont just throw stuff like that out without reason." -- well, LawnGnome, maybe they have *a* reason, but it might not be a *good* reason.
A lot of food that's discarded is discarded because of the "expiration date" on the package. But expiration dates have little relationship to whether the food is actually good, especially for shelf goods. Some stores even discard food that's *near* its expiration date, because they think customers won't buy it, especially if they've gotten in a newer shipment of packages with later dates on them. Sometimes stores discard food because there isn't enough left to be worth taking up shelf space; baked goods are discarded because they don't want to bother with selling them as "day old" -- even though they are perfectly good. Sometimes food is discarded because the package is damaged (i.e., the boxes get slashed when the cut open the shipping box), even though the contents is unaffected.
I have a homeless friend (well, he isn't exactly homeless, because I let him live in my shed) who has a regular route for dumpster diving that includes our local Trader Joe's, CVS, and high-end bakery. It's pretty mind boggling what they throw out. Sometimes he brings me stuff to cook and we share it -- no problems -- or he shares a big find with me. It's a humbling lesson that the really poor people I know are among the most generous with what little they have.-COLLAPSE
Sometimes I put a whole bowl of cassoulet out on my front porch for people to take. Other times I cook a dozen lobsters and put one each, in the neighborhood dumpsters. Think globally act locally!
Also, just another thought I had. The dumpster divers are putting the business at risk of liability if the diver gets injured. Most dumpsters aren't very accessible, and normally have heavy lids. What if someone got injured and doesn't get discovered for days? I'm sure they'd be lawsuits, at the least the companies insurance premiums going up, because the insurance company would probably claim it...+READ
Also, just another thought I had. The dumpster divers are putting the business at risk of liability if the diver gets injured. Most dumpsters aren't very accessible, and normally have heavy lids. What if someone got injured and doesn't get discovered for days? I'm sure they'd be lawsuits, at the least the companies insurance premiums going up, because the insurance company would probably claim it wasn't properly secured.
Point is, dumpsters are private property, on private property. If you want to use someones property, do so with permission-COLLAPSE
I'm dumbfounded that Chowhound is advocating scavenging for food. Ive worked in the food industry and it's an extremely dangerous and stupid practice. As others said, things get thrown out for a reason, and that reason is not always obvious from a quick eyeballing or smell. Besides, if it wasn't completely inedible before, it is once it's mixed with all the other trash in the dumpster.
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I'm dumbfounded that Chowhound is advocating scavenging for food. Ive worked in the food industry and it's an extremely dangerous and stupid practice. As others said, things get thrown out for a reason, and that reason is not always obvious from a quick eyeballing or smell. Besides, if it wasn't completely inedible before, it is once it's mixed with all the other trash in the dumpster.
papercut, you haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about. Restaurants and grocery stores have the smallest margins of any business and will do everything they can to avoid waste.-COLLAPSE
A woman in Phoenix rescues food to give to homeless people and homes for runaways.
The US uses something like 30% of it's oil consumption for food, but almost half of that food it is wasted, usually perfectly good, edible food. We passed peak oil in about 2006/2008. It's a sin that this food is being thrown away when half the population of the world lives on less than $2 a day around 40,000...+READ
A woman in Phoenix rescues food to give to homeless people and homes for runaways.
The US uses something like 30% of it's oil consumption for food, but almost half of that food it is wasted, usually perfectly good, edible food. We passed peak oil in about 2006/2008. It's a sin that this food is being thrown away when half the population of the world lives on less than $2 a day around 40,000 children die *every single day* from starvation and easily cured diseases.
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Film about dumpster diving ("Dive"): http://divethefilm.com/-COLLAPSE
One other thing - Helena says, and I paraphrase: Don't trespass on private propery; stick to grocery stores. Can someone name me a grocery store that isn't on private property? And, isn't the Dumpster itself private property as well? So, unless divers get permission from the owners, divers are committing a crime.
"... seemed to be holding a plastic box containing what looked like a perfectly good carrot cake, with only slightly mashed frosting."
How can a shopper loading groceries into the car see that a person at the back of a store has, specifically, a carrot cake - let alone the mashed frosting? I suppose the shopper could be parked right next to the back door, or he has X-ray vision - or the...+READ
"... seemed to be holding a plastic box containing what looked like a perfectly good carrot cake, with only slightly mashed frosting."
How can a shopper loading groceries into the car see that a person at the back of a store has, specifically, a carrot cake - let alone the mashed frosting? I suppose the shopper could be parked right next to the back door, or he has X-ray vision - or the letter is a fake one written by a Chow staffer. If Helena wants to write about Dumpster diving - or any subject - then go ahead, but dispense with the fake letters.-COLLAPSE
What LawnGnome said. No restaurant is going to throw away a whole wheel of cheese because they just like to waste food. Things like that only get thrown out because something is wrong with them.
I worked at a place where we had a delivery of dairy to a different building--and no one knew about it. When it was discovered the next day, after sitting out 24 hours in summer, it all had to be tossed....+READ
What LawnGnome said. No restaurant is going to throw away a whole wheel of cheese because they just like to waste food. Things like that only get thrown out because something is wrong with them.
I worked at a place where we had a delivery of dairy to a different building--and no one knew about it. When it was discovered the next day, after sitting out 24 hours in summer, it all had to be tossed. Not exactly a treasure to brought home and shared with friends.-COLLAPSE
I knew a dumpster diver. Thought he was sticking it to the man. Also thought he was sticking it to the man when he got evicted for not paying his landlord. To a some more perspective to it.
Also, I understand damaged fruit and the like. But do these people consider maybe there is a reason they are throwing out a case of olive oil, bacon, or a whole wheel of cheese? Companies dont just throw...+READ
I knew a dumpster diver. Thought he was sticking it to the man. Also thought he was sticking it to the man when he got evicted for not paying his landlord. To a some more perspective to it.
Also, I understand damaged fruit and the like. But do these people consider maybe there is a reason they are throwing out a case of olive oil, bacon, or a whole wheel of cheese? Companies dont just throw stuff like that out without reason. Maybe that bacon was left outside at room temp for a day or so before someone noticed and tossed it?-COLLAPSE
So you're against scavenging bones from guest's plates, but are ok with dumpster diving for food...