If you're eating something from a chain restaurant or something that came packaged in a grocery store, chances are at one point or another a person called a research chef had a hand in developing it. But it's not a food job you hear much about: While the products made by research chefs are ubiquitous, their work is arcane. Companies want to own their pot pie or lasagne formulas, they want consumers to visualize Wolfgang Puck personally creating their frozen chicken potstickers, and most of all, they don't want some rival company making the exact same thing.
But CHOW found a research chef willing to spill some secrets of the trade. Chef Wendy, who works for a Canadian firm that develops private-label products for companies like Whole Foods, Safeway, General Mills, and McDonald's, would prefer not to reveal her last name, but that was the last thing she was reticent about. CHOW spoke with her about how to crack the secret codes on food labels, what's really in your carton of orange juice, and more.
Secret 1: People who say they're allergic to MSG usually aren't.
"What do all these have in common?" Chef Wendy asks. "Broccoli, mushrooms, tomatoes, inosinate, guanylate, and autolyzed yeast extract? Give up? They are all sources of monosodium glutamate. So don't bother telling me you're allergic to MSG if you eat pizza." If you really are allergic to it, look for these ingredients, whether or not the label says "no added MSG."
Secret 2: Most cartons of orange juice aren't simply filled with juice.
"I could get killed for this one," says Chef Wendy happily. "Orange juice is orange juice right? Not so much. They juice the orange and distill all the oils out of the peel." The end result is the equivalent of a bunch of little bottles, which product developers can use, mad scientist style.
"I was in an OJ plant where they had over 300 formulas for not-from-concentrate orange juice," says Chef Wendy. If the client, the company that actually puts out the orange juice, wanted a juice that was sweeter, or more yellow, or a deeper shade of orange, the plant Wendy worked for could mix things together until they got just the right formulation. It's a lot different than just squeezing oranges. And the label will still just say "orange juice."
Secret 3: Consumers often are scared of the wrong ingredients.
In the rush toward whole foods and away from chemical wonders, Chef Wendy says, consumers get paranoid about some ingredients that "are not dangerous and in fact are quite natural. One of my faves is carrageenan. Carrageenan is on a lot of labels, and I'm often asked, 'What is that chemical?' It's not a chemical. It's seaweed! It's also one of the best thickening gums there is. It can hold over 10 times its weight in water. So that means your frozen sauce doesn't end up leaving a watery ring around it on the plate."
Secret 4: Labels have secret codes that you can crack.
Who made that microwave burrito you're eating? As we've pointed out before, it's not Trader Joe's. But you can find out who did, if you are savvy enough. "It's all in code," says Chef Wendy. If the product has meat, poultry, or eggs in it, by law it must have an establishment number or name somewhere on the label. It may read something like "Meat Products of Houston, Inc." boldly on the back, or it could be a tiny number hidden somewhere on an inner flap. Whichever it is, you can look it up at the USDA's Food Safety and Inspection Service website and find the producer's name and other information. "If there's no meat it's a little harder, but it can still be done. There are addresses and various numeric codes that will give it away."
Secret 5: Trader Joe's and Whole Foods are difficult to work with, and that's a good thing.
"Traders is a very exacting company," says Chef Wendy. "They have a famous list of ingredients you cannot use. It's about four pages single spaced. Some of the ingredients are quite difficult to keep out, but they have their standards and they are very high and they mean it. That's a good thing. Whole Foods has a similar list and it's on their website."
You'd think that such an exacting list would be a pain, but Chef Wendy says, "I like that the standard is high and it's kept high. Whether they want a high-end item or a bargain-priced item, the rules are the same."
Secret 6: Sometimes research chefs are grossed out by what they make.
"I don't, as a rule, take jobs that compromise my belief systems. No chemical feasts allowed," says Chef Wendy. This leads her to concentrate on developing frozen foods—because the freezer is such an effective food preserver, these items don't need a lot of the stabilizers and preservatives that canned and bottled products require. Nonetheless, "I do have to make lower-end products, and when I do, I work very hard to make them taste far better than they have a right to be!" It's not so much, she says, that the food companies "ask for crap. It's more they ask for the moon and can we please make it for next to nothing. There are less and less of these products being made because the consumer doesn't want them as much, but the market exists."
Secret 7: A really great frozen meal could actually exist, but you're too cheap to pay for it.
Chef Wendy says it's absolutely possible to make a frozen meal that will knock you out of your chair with greatness. "But that entrée needs to cost $7 to $10. People are willing to spend that much in a restaurant for something mediocre but not for something fabulous from the grocery store."
Hence frozen meals cost about $2 or $3. "There is rarely even a full ounce (less than 28 grams) of protein in most single-serve entrées. The $3-and-up ones are more expensive because they put 2 ounces in theirs."
How does she know that, exactly? "When a [traditional] chef refuses to tell you the recipe, it's not because it's a secret. It's really because they probably don't remember what they put in it. And that's the difference between a culinary chef and a research chef. Research chefs weigh everything to at least two decimal points."
Image source: Flickr member iboy_daniel under Creative Commons
I'm blown away by the people who say that MSG allergies are psychosomatic....or a myth. It took me decades to decipher what the hell was causing me to be short of breath, have heart palpitations and become so weak in some cases I couldn't hold my head up. I have been to the E/R on more than one occasion. My body shuts down when I ingest too much MSG. So I avoid it at all costs, read my labels and...+READ
I'm blown away by the people who say that MSG allergies are psychosomatic....or a myth. It took me decades to decipher what the hell was causing me to be short of breath, have heart palpitations and become so weak in some cases I couldn't hold my head up. I have been to the E/R on more than one occasion. My body shuts down when I ingest too much MSG. So I avoid it at all costs, read my labels and know what the "hidden" names are. I have noticed a reaction when eating some tomato sauces and assumed the restaurants were using MSG but have often wondered if the tomatos themselves could be causing my reaction. So to the guy who said people have a psychosomatic reaction when they know they've eaten MSG...you're missing the point. I NEVER purposely ingest anything with processed MSG, autolyzed yeast extract, etc. etc. When I go to a restaurant and an hour later feel like my whole body is shutting down, I have a fairly good idea that they've secretly added MSG to their ingredients. I've had this reaction at BJ's, Olive Garden, Fridays, some Mexican Restaurants (I LOVE Carne Asada but think it's often used in the marinade) and many "mom and pops" local restaurants. I now know to avoid those restaurants. Of course Chinese has been off the list for years except Pick up Stix. For those non-believers, so happy for you that you do not have this sensitivity because it SUCKS not being able to just enjoy a meal out with your family or friends without the fear of being blindsided by a horrible reaction because the government does not require honest reporting of MSG (or it's many forms) by restaurants to their customers. If you don't have the sensitivity, you really have no business making assumptions about people who do. Just be thankful you do not.-COLLAPSE
My sensitivity to MSG started when I was 5. It took me over 30 years to figure out what made me double over in pain when I ate certain foods. For whatever reason, I cannot eat anything with the additive MSG. I love tomatoes and broccoli and have no issues with them. I cannot eat at restaurants like Applebees etc since the majority of their foods are processed, frozen and include MSG since the...+READ
My sensitivity to MSG started when I was 5. It took me over 30 years to figure out what made me double over in pain when I ate certain foods. For whatever reason, I cannot eat anything with the additive MSG. I love tomatoes and broccoli and have no issues with them. I cannot eat at restaurants like Applebees etc since the majority of their foods are processed, frozen and include MSG since the quality of their meats must be low. if I think back to what I ate a lot of as a kid, Liptons soups, Knorr for spinach dip, sausage, Chinese food, chips...I carried Tums and Maalox with me for years until I discovered the following.
A few years ago on my child's birthday my husband brought McDonalds home for breakfast. Obviously I had an empty stomach since early morning, My kids had the pancakes with sausage, while I had a bite of sausage and the processed, folded yellow egg. My husband and older children went to work,school. I was left home with a baby. In 45 minutes, I called my husband to tell him to come home, something was seriously wrong with me. Had stomach pains that were beyond explanation. I was afraid something was going to happen to me and my baby would be alone. I proceeded to throw up 9 times from only 2 bites. My mouth had felt weird after the 2 bites so I didn't eat any more. It was then that I researched sausage from McDonalds. MSG was the top ingredient. Since then, I read every label. It is the added, not natural MSG that for whatever reason, my system can't handle. I once ate Chik Filet and was sick for 5 days. After chicken in their ingredient list, MSG is at the top. Everyone thinks they are a healthy fast food chain, their ingredients are awful. I have an intestinal sensitivity. I get the same pain, in the same spot when I eat foods with MSG. I will not accept anyone telling me what happens to me is not real. Why do people accept peanut, shellfish allergies with ease. So for now, I am healthy, feel 100% better, eat fresh non processed foods. I also will not give my kids MSG. I do not think it is necessary and certainly do not want them to go through what I have.-COLLAPSE
I happen to be VERY allergic to MSG. When I called Dominos they would not say what was causing my massive swelling and pain... it was the ONLY thing I ate that day (I eat less often than most people) and not an hour had passed and my left pinky was hot, swollen and hurt so much I cried. Ibuprofen didn't take the pain away...
MSG is an "exciotoxin" and it's poisonous when put in the...+READ
I happen to be VERY allergic to MSG. When I called Dominos they would not say what was causing my massive swelling and pain... it was the ONLY thing I ate that day (I eat less often than most people) and not an hour had passed and my left pinky was hot, swollen and hurt so much I cried. Ibuprofen didn't take the pain away...
MSG is an "exciotoxin" and it's poisonous when put in the CONCENTRATIONS that are used in food service.-COLLAPSE
Wow, Chef Wendy. Your ignorance demonstrated in the article above and your comment below about MSG reduces Chow's credibility by tenfold. MSG sensitivity is a VERY real-thing - For about a decade, I was suicidal, in constant pain, had joint problems, was always thirsty, had bulimia, had skin problems, everything bad until I made the glutamic acid link. Now that I've cut it out, I'm fully...+READ
Wow, Chef Wendy. Your ignorance demonstrated in the article above and your comment below about MSG reduces Chow's credibility by tenfold. MSG sensitivity is a VERY real-thing - For about a decade, I was suicidal, in constant pain, had joint problems, was always thirsty, had bulimia, had skin problems, everything bad until I made the glutamic acid link. Now that I've cut it out, I'm fully functional and extremely happy.
Our bodies are not programmed the same. Like diabetics have a sensitivity to sugar, people like me have a sensitivity to free-glutamic acid.
And bringing up the "One billion people in China each (every man, woman, and child!) eat over 15 lbs of glutamtes a year. Migraines are unheard of over there." Can you please back that up?-COLLAPSE
Wendy, I'll try my best not to turn my response into ad hominem, but you've been profoundly misinformed about MSG. There are a few kinds of MSG: 1) Natural, bound MSG that's found in tomatoes, mushroom, carrots, etc.. 2) Naturally free MSG (free glutamic acid) and, 3) the most harmful culprit, processed free MSG (processed free glutamic acid). You clearly failed to distinguish between those 3...+READ
Wendy, I'll try my best not to turn my response into ad hominem, but you've been profoundly misinformed about MSG. There are a few kinds of MSG: 1) Natural, bound MSG that's found in tomatoes, mushroom, carrots, etc.. 2) Naturally free MSG (free glutamic acid) and, 3) the most harmful culprit, processed free MSG (processed free glutamic acid). You clearly failed to distinguish between those 3 types.
How does processed free glutamic acid act as a flavor enhancer? It excites your brain cells thereby either damaging or killing them in the long run. The FDA still to this day relies on a study on the safetely of MSG from 1979 that limited the symptoms to only 5 and didn't study its long-term effects. If you think that's a reliable study, then go ahead, think what you want.
If MSG is safe then why does the FDA allow food/beverage companies to hide it (unlabled) when it's a component of ingrediants like citric acid, carrageenan, malted barley flour, dry milk powder, gelated, hydrolized vegetable protein and more? Why, when I asked a neurologist to talk about glutamate, did he get nervous and reply with the follow before hanging up, "I can't talk to you, but thank you very, very, very, very much for asking."?
If you truly think that our government can't intentionally harm its own people, I challenge you to look through history to find ONE society with a secret prison system whose government DID not eventually turn against its own people. Good luck.
Also, before you reply to my response, please thoroughly read this article: http://www.naturalnews.com/025066.html-COLLAPSE
1. I get hives from MSG added in to my meal, but not tomatos, broccoli, and mushrooms. Am i really not allergic to MSG?
2. So what if people who aren't really allergic to MSG say they're allergic. It's a crappy ingredient. Those that may not really be allergic may still get negative side effects from msg and may prefer to not have it at all. Or maybe it's just a polite way of avoiding food with...+READ
1. I get hives from MSG added in to my meal, but not tomatos, broccoli, and mushrooms. Am i really not allergic to MSG?
2. So what if people who aren't really allergic to MSG say they're allergic. It's a crappy ingredient. Those that may not really be allergic may still get negative side effects from msg and may prefer to not have it at all. Or maybe it's just a polite way of avoiding food with msg because they have their reasons. Who cares?-COLLAPSE
"Chef" Wendy needs to read through the comments and actually visit some of the links posted there before responding. I'm starting to wonder whether she's actually a truly trained chef or not considering she doesn't know much about the chemistry side of food. Two of the links posted in the comments list quite a large number of studies that show a link between MSG and migraine so saying that over...+READ
"Chef" Wendy needs to read through the comments and actually visit some of the links posted there before responding. I'm starting to wonder whether she's actually a truly trained chef or not considering she doesn't know much about the chemistry side of food. Two of the links posted in the comments list quite a large number of studies that show a link between MSG and migraine so saying that over the last 50 years no studies have shown this link is absolutely incorrect. She needs to get over herself and actually do a little research.-COLLAPSE
Good Day folks. I just have to make a comment here. It's interesting that of all that Joyce and I chatted about it's the MSG issue that is highlighted. To Chawks64. Nitrite and Sulphites are not MSG. They are very definitely allergens and in the case of Sulphites, can be very very dangerous. I once saw a customer die on the floor of a restaurant I worked in years and years ago. She forgot to...+READ
Good Day folks. I just have to make a comment here. It's interesting that of all that Joyce and I chatted about it's the MSG issue that is highlighted. To Chawks64. Nitrite and Sulphites are not MSG. They are very definitely allergens and in the case of Sulphites, can be very very dangerous. I once saw a customer die on the floor of a restaurant I worked in years and years ago. She forgot to mention her allergy to sulphite before she hit the salad bar. She was gone in seconds. I have never and will never forget that. I feel your pain by the way. I get migrains from both of them too. But....In over 50 years of studies no one has ever come up with a medical reason to not consume MSG in any form. You can look this up. MSG is a victim, as are so many things, of a media looking for a story. One billion people in China each (every man, woman, and child!) eat over 15 lbs of glutamtes a year. Migraines are unheard of over there. They live longer than we do even if they smoke like fiends. Whatever. We need to back up from the issue and look at it a whole new way. Right now there's a bunch of guys in suits sitting at a meeting somewhere deciding what you will eat this Christmas. Like good little soldiers you will go out en masse in December (Thanksgiving is long since put to bed) and show them whether they guessed right. But your decision will be heavily influenced by their marketing so though you think you decided on your own, think again. Those ingredients we use that are suspect are there because they tell me to put them there. They pay me. My sense of rightiousness is going to be heavily influenced by my need to pay the rent (I'm speaking as all R&D Chefs). Information is power people. Learn about what you eat and you will feel a lot better. Organic is not all it's cracked up to be either. Natural? I don't even know what that means any more and neither does the government. They don't eve have a legal definition for it so good luck when you buy something labeled natural. If you are going to maintain your cred as a foodie or an organic nazi or a sustainable freak, or whatever your current thing is. Then you owe it to yourself to find out the unvarnished truth about ALL that you put in your mouth. I'd recommend starting with organic. It will leave you gasping!!-COLLAPSE
Certain natural foods have glutamate. MSG is a synthetic version of glutamate. It is incorrect to say that broccoli, mushrooms, and tomatoes have MSG.
That said, I agree with Chef Wendy's point that WAY more people think they have an MSG allergy than really do.
If you have a problem with MSG, I feel your pain. I'm okay with it, but I get a 3-day migraine from sodium nitrite or sulfites, but I see people all the time saying there's nothing to it. I dare you to tell me that on Day 3 when I've been working outside with a migraine in the bright sunlight all day because I'm out of sick time...
The more emotional and intemperate comments here imply that unsupported assertions about MSG are acceptable to some people in their own writing, but outrageous when anyobody else uses them for a different conclusion.
The article did specify that people are not _usually_ allergic to MSG; no comment has seriously disputed that. This is a bit like the flavor of cilantro: most people enjoy it, a...+READ
The more emotional and intemperate comments here imply that unsupported assertions about MSG are acceptable to some people in their own writing, but outrageous when anyobody else uses them for a different conclusion.
The article did specify that people are not _usually_ allergic to MSG; no comment has seriously disputed that. This is a bit like the flavor of cilantro: most people enjoy it, a few find it unpleasant and that may be their individual flavor sense (not just a preference) -- but the latter minority dominates most online discussions on the subject, imparting a distorted picture of how common it is.-COLLAPSE
I am so tired of all this bullshhit about NOT being allergic to MSG.
Yes, asswhole, I am. It is the reason I am not at work RIGHT NOW. I have an unbelievably bas sinus headache, am wheezing g and hurting love rand feel absolutely exhausted. And this only half as bad as it can get.
when some moron decides to put it in a product and change the name of it rather than eliminate it so the people...+READ
I am so tired of all this bullshhit about NOT being allergic to MSG.
Yes, asswhole, I am. It is the reason I am not at work RIGHT NOW. I have an unbelievably bas sinus headache, am wheezing g and hurting love rand feel absolutely exhausted. And this only half as bad as it can get.
when some moron decides to put it in a product and change the name of it rather than eliminate it so the people who ARE ALLERGIC won't be sick the way I am right now, those poisoners became a public menace.
One in six people have some level of sensitivity to this substance. It Increases with age. And crosses the placenta to affect children's neural development.
Feel lousy after eating fast food, cold cuts, chain restaurant meals? Guess why?
Don't get cute about broccoli and mushrooms. They have it in a completely different inactive organic form in their chemical makeup.
I can eat them all day long.I eat one maruchan instant noodles or canned beef bullion, for example, and i am a half an hour away from being in an emergency room.
If you want put it in your product fine.
But frigging label it. Why is that so much to ask?
Why are you eating stuff that will hurt you or your kids sooner or later, anyway.
I am a living proof that this is no myth. It will and does make you sick.-COLLAPSE
I wonder if this is the company that made the "White Chicken Sesame Noodle Bowl" at Trader Joe's. That was the best frozen thing I have ever eaten? Why was it discontinued? Is there a way to get it some other way?
I have IBS and now I know one more thing to stay away from. Thanks. Oh, I cook and bake with citrus peels. They are wonderful in baked goods. Google Orange Olive Oil Cake.Good stuff.I am by the way allergic to MSG. I have had people tell me something does not contain it at restaurants...sometimes they are right but I remember one time I turned as red as a stop light, my heart racing and doing a...+READ
I have IBS and now I know one more thing to stay away from. Thanks. Oh, I cook and bake with citrus peels. They are wonderful in baked goods. Google Orange Olive Oil Cake.Good stuff.I am by the way allergic to MSG. I have had people tell me something does not contain it at restaurants...sometimes they are right but I remember one time I turned as red as a stop light, my heart racing and doing a very awful imitation of Linda Blare in the Exorcist! Then the girl comes out to tell me that it was no "added" MSG. The canned sauce had it already! Yet I am totally fine with mushrooms and tomatoes. Love them both very much~two of my favorite foods even. I have lost some respect for this site after reading such non-sense. I think I'll take my bodies reaction to the stuff first, and my doctor's educated opinion second, not what this unknowing anonymous. Very bad article.-COLLAPSE
The levels of MSG, naturally occurring in foods and when used as a concentrated additive, as well as how the body uses one vs. the other is very different. It is so grossly irresponsible of this article to assert anything different or to make such bold statements with no authority--the writer is neither a doctor or the afflicted, that I am amazed that Chowhound even allowed it to be posted.
Carageenan may only be seaweed, but when it's extracted and added to food it can cause bowel inflammation (and not just in people with sensitive systems). Sure it may be natural, that doesn't mean it can't be bad for you.
This article is not only dead wrong on many points, but blatantly insulting.
Many of us who are MSG-affected are well aware of the levels of free glutamic acid in hydrolyzed protein, autolyzed yeast, etc. Indeed, many people who have issues with MSG don't feel better (or, even worse, dismiss the possibility that they are MSG sensitive) until they discover this and eliminate the related offending...+READ
This article is not only dead wrong on many points, but blatantly insulting.
Many of us who are MSG-affected are well aware of the levels of free glutamic acid in hydrolyzed protein, autolyzed yeast, etc. Indeed, many people who have issues with MSG don't feel better (or, even worse, dismiss the possibility that they are MSG sensitive) until they discover this and eliminate the related offending foods from their diet.
Regarding carrageenan, and the Wikipedia entry for it, which links to a number of peer-reviewed scientific articles:
A recent publication[15] indicates that carrageenan induces inflammation in human intestinal epithelial cells in tissue culture through a BCL10-mediated pathway that leads to activation of NFkappaB and IL-8. Carrageenan may be immunogenic due to its unusual alpha-1,3-galactosidic link that is part of its disaccharide unit structure. Consumption of carrageenan may have a role in intestinal inflammation and possibly inflammatory bowel disease, since BCL10 resembles NOD2, mutations of which are associated with genetic proclivity to Crohn's Disease.
As a Crohn's Disease victim, this is indeed scary stuff, and something I didn't previously know. (I never consciously avoided carrageenan in the past before apart from viewing it as a non-dangerous substitute for quality ingredients and cooking techniques, but now I certainly have reason enough.)
As for #2, what is wrong with orange peel oils? I'm happy that more of the orange is being utilized that would otherwise be wasted.-COLLAPSE
It's not that people are 2 cheap to pay 4 good frozen meals, it's that frozen meals compete with other food in the grocery store (as opposed to a restaurant where foods are competing with other restaurants and food on the menu). If you go into the store and it's significantly cheaper to make the food from fresh or canned - people aren't going 2 buy frozen.
im_nomad made some good points. My allergies are definitely cumulative. I'm allergic to cats. I can usually tolerate my sister's cats, but if I'm already sensitized by high pollen counts (i.e. May in the Bay Area), then I'm much more likely to wheeze around her cats. I've also noticed I'm more likely to wheeze if I consume high levels of sulfites (red wine, dried fruit) at her house.
As for MSG,...+READ
im_nomad made some good points. My allergies are definitely cumulative. I'm allergic to cats. I can usually tolerate my sister's cats, but if I'm already sensitized by high pollen counts (i.e. May in the Bay Area), then I'm much more likely to wheeze around her cats. I've also noticed I'm more likely to wheeze if I consume high levels of sulfites (red wine, dried fruit) at her house.
As for MSG, I don't really believe it causes the problems people claim it does, but I am willing to consider the idea that high levels of MSG in broth are absorbed more quickly (especially since soup is usually the first thing you eat at a Chinese restaurant) than MSG in solid foods, and thus may causes a reaction when solid foods don't.-COLLAPSE
Essence of psychosomatic MSG effect is the significant fraction of the people declaring sensitivity to MSG who make no such complaint upon ingesting comparable amounts of it unknowingly from natural sources. It's naturally occurring, of course, in many fermented foods, meats, and some vegetables especially in dried or concentrated forms. That's why genuinely MSG-free cooking is difficult. This...+READ
Essence of psychosomatic MSG effect is the significant fraction of the people declaring sensitivity to MSG who make no such complaint upon ingesting comparable amounts of it unknowingly from natural sources. It's naturally occurring, of course, in many fermented foods, meats, and some vegetables especially in dried or concentrated forms. That's why genuinely MSG-free cooking is difficult. This does not argue that no one has real MSG sensitivities, or that other factors in some Chinese cooking aren't at work -- just that the reports frequently depend not on whether they've ingested MSG, but on whether they're aware of it.
http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/756969#6185613
http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/756969#6185613-COLLAPSE
Am not sure what to make of this MSG allergy business. I'm not a hypochondriac, have no other allergies that I'm aware of, and am not prone to headaches. But when I've eaten at certain Chinese restaurants, I'll get a splitting headache within an hour of eating, and the headache usually lasts through the following morning.
Doing a quick PubMed search, I would say that the MSG-migraine issue is controversial. There's a lot of anecdotal evidence reported towards MSG avoidance, which is sub-par for those of us practicing strict evidence-based medicine. There's also evidence as alluded to above (I would be interested in reading the papers in the "mountains of research" for my own edification). On the other hand, there...+READ
Doing a quick PubMed search, I would say that the MSG-migraine issue is controversial. There's a lot of anecdotal evidence reported towards MSG avoidance, which is sub-par for those of us practicing strict evidence-based medicine. There's also evidence as alluded to above (I would be interested in reading the papers in the "mountains of research" for my own edification). On the other hand, there is a solid amount of basic research pointing towards glutamate as a cause of "cortical spreading depression" - a proposed mechanism for migraine.
A couple of points - migraine is a very heterogenous disease. It's not like, say, pneumonia (i.e. a bacterial infection of the lung) - there are different patterns of migraine which may be due to very different mechanisms, but appear the same clinically. We don't know. What we do know is that if people can achieve migraine relief or freedom by avoiding certain foods or other lifestyle triggers, great! Argument is sort of a moot point. If it's helping people without hurting, fine. I would advise people to avoid most processed foods due to a major point in Chef Wendy's post - hidden sodium, which we KNOW leads to high blood pressure, along with hidden sugars causing insulin resistance and diabetes, and hidden calories causing obesity.-COLLAPSE
Isn't there an element of things being cumulative with regards to migraines? aka, a piece of chocolate or some msg on its own, in the absence of other triggers (like stress, glass of wine, cheese or what not). There's a tipping point. Saying something isn't an allergy doesn't seem to discount the number of people who have reactions. I know people with IBS who aren't technically "allergic" to...+READ
Isn't there an element of things being cumulative with regards to migraines? aka, a piece of chocolate or some msg on its own, in the absence of other triggers (like stress, glass of wine, cheese or what not). There's a tipping point. Saying something isn't an allergy doesn't seem to discount the number of people who have reactions. I know people with IBS who aren't technically "allergic" to certain foods, but that doesn't mean they aren't miserable after they eat them.
The opposite of #3 is also true: "natural" ingredients doesn't = aok . Just because something grew out of the ground or was removed from an animal, doesn't mean it's safe to eat.-COLLAPSE
#1 and #3 are hardly secrets; people have been explaining these things authoritatively for decades, the problem is not secrecy but stubborn myths that some consumers cling to as if they were valuable. There are others too, and _that_ would make a really good article!
I use msg as a meat tenderizer and have for years. I dont know how many foodies i have had at my bar talk about how they are "alergic to msg" and they only eat local and blah blah blah... while eating one of my msg and jack daniels aged kc strips.
@chowsearch: Miss the point much? The subject of this article AGREES with you.
"It's not a chemical. It's seaweed!"
This is a strange comment from someone who has the word 'research' in their job title. Seaweed, like everything else (including you and me), is made of chemicals and nothing but chemicals. 'Chemical' is not a dirty word.
Umm, glutamate, glutamic acid, is a normal part of body chemistry, so an allergy to the salt of it is impossible, calling into question everything this charlatan is saying. One can be sensitive to its capillary dilation effects, which is one of the things it does, but the credibility of this writer and editing system is shot.
For myself, I'm not sure if it is MSG or another ingredient..but I have had some very bad reactions to a bright green Coriander? sauce at a few Indian restaurants.
Like breathing problems, headache a few minutes after eating.
This has happened to me a few times at different Indian restaurants and a few times a different Asian restaurants.
I do eat MSG sometimes and never have these issues at...+READ
For myself, I'm not sure if it is MSG or another ingredient..but I have had some very bad reactions to a bright green Coriander? sauce at a few Indian restaurants.
Like breathing problems, headache a few minutes after eating.
This has happened to me a few times at different Indian restaurants and a few times a different Asian restaurants.
I do eat MSG sometimes and never have these issues at home.
MSG is in Pringles, beef jerky,instant noodles, many dip sauces.
So for me I just avoid most spicy indian dishes-even though the ones that this happened to me were not spicy items.
I still buy samosas,indian chicken wrap,pakoras and have been fine with those items.
Also most of the brand name crackers at the grocery store are stuffed full of MSG.-COLLAPSE
Of course problems with MSG are not due to allergy -- they are due to the inability to tolerate TOO MUCH MSG, which is completely different from an allergic reaction. Since it's an issue with tolerance, the symptoms are due to how much MSG is consumed, and some individuals are more sensitive than others. So just because most people don't have problems with MSG all of the time doesn't mean that...+READ
Of course problems with MSG are not due to allergy -- they are due to the inability to tolerate TOO MUCH MSG, which is completely different from an allergic reaction. Since it's an issue with tolerance, the symptoms are due to how much MSG is consumed, and some individuals are more sensitive than others. So just because most people don't have problems with MSG all of the time doesn't mean that the problem doesn't exist for some people when they consume too much. It's similar to how we all have different thresholds for alcohol. I, personally, have a low tolerance for MSG and for ignorant persons who like to spout off without having bothered to do some basic research.-COLLAPSE
Chef Wendy is clearly ignorant of the facts concerning MSG, and science... First of all, there's a huge difference between an allergy and a sensitivity. Its not an allergic reaction. Second of all, she wouldn't think its a myth if she (like I, and many others) got severe--and scary--heart palpitations from it. And dumping Accent or Goyazon onto food is very very different than the minute amounts...+READ
Chef Wendy is clearly ignorant of the facts concerning MSG, and science... First of all, there's a huge difference between an allergy and a sensitivity. Its not an allergic reaction. Second of all, she wouldn't think its a myth if she (like I, and many others) got severe--and scary--heart palpitations from it. And dumping Accent or Goyazon onto food is very very different than the minute amounts that are in non-processed sources such as broccoli or mushrooms. I've gotten scarily ill, mostly in Latin American countries where food is often coated in Accent-type seasonings. Its happened to me in Peru, Puerto Rico, Spain...and within minutes of eating the offending food.-COLLAPSE
I'm always irked when I hear people say they are allergic to MSG or don't visit Asian restaurants because of MSG.
When in reality, if you ate (any of the above), or purchased packaged food you've eaten some form of MSG.
I'm amazed that this myth still exists.
I suppose that I am MSG symptomatic subject B (tingling,heartracing)and it has been suggested that I submit my findings to scientific journals for peer review. Got me to wonderin' how old you comedians are. You'd have to be pushing 50 to remember the the $3.99 Chinatown pepper steak, subgum chicken chow mein etc. dishes that caused the reaction I described. And picking on migraine sufferers that...+READ
I suppose that I am MSG symptomatic subject B (tingling,heartracing)and it has been suggested that I submit my findings to scientific journals for peer review. Got me to wonderin' how old you comedians are. You'd have to be pushing 50 to remember the the $3.99 Chinatown pepper steak, subgum chicken chow mein etc. dishes that caused the reaction I described. And picking on migraine sufferers that claim MSG is a trigger is mean, not funny.-COLLAPSE
I like to snort lines of Accent (pure MSG) to start my day off right. It certainly enhances the taste of all the colours.
Re: peterh32 - well, of course Accent is higher in MSG. It's MADE of MSG. BUt that has nothing to do with whether or not a teaspoon of it has any potential negative effects beyond placebo. It's like saying there's more salt in salt than in seawater.
Actually, though, tomato juice is fairly low in glutamic acid. The pulp of the tomato is far higher in GA than the juice - so a sauce made from...+READ
Re: peterh32 - well, of course Accent is higher in MSG. It's MADE of MSG. BUt that has nothing to do with whether or not a teaspoon of it has any potential negative effects beyond placebo. It's like saying there's more salt in salt than in seawater.
Actually, though, tomato juice is fairly low in glutamic acid. The pulp of the tomato is far higher in GA than the juice - so a sauce made from straight tomatoes would be significantly more GA-laden.
But top it with parmesan and you've got an MSG-bomb. Aged parm is ridiculously high in GA. Better lay off that pasta al pomodoro if you're the paranoid sort.
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Re: everyone else
Like I said, we can go with the opinions of the vast majority of research scientists who have studied this in controlled laboratory settings for deacdes, or with anecdotal "evidence" by random people who may be having psychosomatic symptoms, for all we know. Again, that's the *vast majority* - you can find a few random scientists to disagree with global warming or evolution, too. You have to weigh that against the mountains of peer-reviewed literature that says otherwise.
Or maybe we can wonder why the "symptoms" of MSG aren't consistent from person to person... A gets a migraine, B gets a tingly feeling and increased heart rate (which, oddly, are the same well-known ACTUAL effects of... Szechuan peppercorns) and C feels tired (which, oddly, is the same ACTUAL effect of... eating too much.)
Of course, there must a conspiracy behind this, because scientists at Rutgers and Columbia and Princeton are really all in the pocket of the food industry.-COLLAPSE
Check out this very informative video, for all the people out there who naively think MSG has no effects. It's in the food industry's (and likely Chef Wendy's) interest to have you believe msg is good for you. It makes you hungrier and eat more, it makes cheap food taste better, and is addictive. It is used in test labs to fatten mice.
Watch a MD discuss the neuro-effects.
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Check out this very informative video, for all the people out there who naively think MSG has no effects. It's in the food industry's (and likely Chef Wendy's) interest to have you believe msg is good for you. It makes you hungrier and eat more, it makes cheap food taste better, and is addictive. It is used in test labs to fatten mice.
Watch a MD discuss the neuro-effects.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-pnzj0c06Q&feature=player_embedded-COLLAPSE
Too much MSG can DEFINITELY CAUSE AN ALLERGIC REACTION. Food community is just slow to figure this one out, just like other established allergies are slowly discovered and universally recognized (ie gluten). It may come down to dosage level as many common foods (unfortunately) have msg in them.
Sorry, Chef Wendy, I think I'm gonna trust a MD or Scientist on this one or just look at someone who...+READ
Too much MSG can DEFINITELY CAUSE AN ALLERGIC REACTION. Food community is just slow to figure this one out, just like other established allergies are slowly discovered and universally recognized (ie gluten). It may come down to dosage level as many common foods (unfortunately) have msg in them.
Sorry, Chef Wendy, I think I'm gonna trust a MD or Scientist on this one or just look at someone who has the numerous blatant symptoms from consuming enough MSG.-COLLAPSE
mmgth, as this sensitivity or allergy has yet to be proven, I'm certain that many peer reviewed journals are eagerly waiting the submission of your research paper.
As someone who experiences a reaction to MSG it's such a relief to read that there's no scientific evidence to support my reaction. Guess that will make it go away. Usually a temporary, hard to describe "tingling" sensation and increased heart rate that's more weird than scary. And maybe all those Chinese restaurants that put the /(no)MSG on their menus should be informed. This IS definitely due...+READ
As someone who experiences a reaction to MSG it's such a relief to read that there's no scientific evidence to support my reaction. Guess that will make it go away. Usually a temporary, hard to describe "tingling" sensation and increased heart rate that's more weird than scary. And maybe all those Chinese restaurants that put the /(no)MSG on their menus should be informed. This IS definitely due to LOTS of MSG added and "Chinese Food Syndrome" is pretty much a thing of the past though not completely.-COLLAPSE
Seems to me there's a dosage issue on MSG:
One cup of tomato juice (a high-glutamate food) ~> 1 mg glutamate;
One teaspoon of Accent flavor enhancer ~> 4 grams glutamate --
4 thousand times as much as in the tomato juice! Or did I miss something?
Whether I'm the one with the painful headaches or not, you're correct, isn't relevant. It's also not relevant who HAS the painful headaches. What's relevant is what scienctific studies have shown - and there isn't a lick of scientific evidence that MSG has negative effects on anyone. This is such a common theory that it's been tested innumerable times - and there' been nothing. Nada. Zilch.
To...+READ
Whether I'm the one with the painful headaches or not, you're correct, isn't relevant. It's also not relevant who HAS the painful headaches. What's relevant is what scienctific studies have shown - and there isn't a lick of scientific evidence that MSG has negative effects on anyone. This is such a common theory that it's been tested innumerable times - and there' been nothing. Nada. Zilch.
To tell someone they're possibly experience a placebo effect is, I understand, potentially insulting - I had my own issues with my noggin and anxiety attacks some years back, and it was very hard to accept the idea that I was, essentially, doing it to myself without my knowledge. Now, I'm not saying that in every single case migraines are "in your head" - but there are a number of factors, and it's human nature to draw correlations between what may be unconnected data sets. We, as humans, look for patterns. That's how we make sense of our world. But not every pattern really is one.
Just as an example, stress is considered the #1 trigger for Migraines. So, you ate some Chinese food. You worry that maybe there was MSG in it. You've heard that MSG can be a trigger for Migraines. That's a stressful situation, you start wondering if you're going to have one, and then... bam. You do. So was it the MSG that caused it... or the stressing about having eaten MSG that did?
So, should we go with the opinions of a couple of random posters on a food website, or decades of scientific research and hundreds of clinical studies?
But believe what you will. The subject of MSG, for whatever reason, is a bit like debating evolution with creationists, I've found.-COLLAPSE
Wow sgordon, as someone who has suffered with migraines for about a decade, I find your comments really insulting. Migraine sufferers try hard to keep track of foods, and many times migraines come on within several HOURS of eating the wrong foods, not 24 or 28 hours. While MSG is in a lot of foods, I know that I get migraines from it - whether it is MSG added Chinese, or an arugula salad, both...+READ
Wow sgordon, as someone who has suffered with migraines for about a decade, I find your comments really insulting. Migraine sufferers try hard to keep track of foods, and many times migraines come on within several HOURS of eating the wrong foods, not 24 or 28 hours. While MSG is in a lot of foods, I know that I get migraines from it - whether it is MSG added Chinese, or an arugula salad, both will give me a headache. Whether you "agree" with this, is not really relevant because you're not the one with the painful headaches!-COLLAPSE
I'm inclined to agree with the MSG allergy comments... but remember that most allergies are not just about present/not present ingredients, but the quantity.
The question that we cannot (easily) answer is, how much MSG is in the product that has MSG added, versus the product that has autolyzed yeast or mushrooms...
Re: glyph, "As for me - how do I know it's MSG that causes my migraines? I kept a food diary, recording *everything* I ate for months. Every time I ate an item with MSG on the label, I had a migraine close to 24 hours later."
There's a difference between correlation and causation. The only way you could "know" if MSG was the cause would have been if you *didn't* know what you ate until 48...+READ
Re: glyph, "As for me - how do I know it's MSG that causes my migraines? I kept a food diary, recording *everything* I ate for months. Every time I ate an item with MSG on the label, I had a migraine close to 24 hours later."
There's a difference between correlation and causation. The only way you could "know" if MSG was the cause would have been if you *didn't* know what you ate until 48 hours later - enough time for a migraine to have come and gone without you knowing what was in your food. Migraines can be psychosomatic, there's mountains of research that show that. Unless your personal study was double-blind, there's no evidence MSG had anything to do with it. There have been hundreds of studies where people who claimed to have MSG sensitivity were fed MSG and were just fine, or were told they ate MSG when they hadn't, and "felt" the effects.
It's no fun to think our minds can play tricks on us, we'd all like to think that we're personally immune to placebo because we're too smart / skeptical / whatever - but the truth is, our minds are tricky little critters, and they fool us all the time.-COLLAPSE
Great article, loved all the responses, I travel with an avowed "allergic to MSG" friend, I won't send this to her, it would really ruin her repartee with waiters/waitresses! LOL
Ok, I'd buy the food journal to track MSG sensitivities aregument IF you did the journal WITHOUT looking at the ingredients list. Just eat without knowing if there is MSG or not. Track every bite and sip. Also water/beverage intake, time of day, hunger level, where you eat, etc. Measure added salt pepper spices; I mean every morsel you put in your mouth.
Then, track migraines. Go back...+READ
Ok, I'd buy the food journal to track MSG sensitivities aregument IF you did the journal WITHOUT looking at the ingredients list. Just eat without knowing if there is MSG or not. Track every bite and sip. Also water/beverage intake, time of day, hunger level, where you eat, etc. Measure added salt pepper spices; I mean every morsel you put in your mouth.
Then, track migraines. Go back afterwards and see if any of the foods had MSG or other foods with significant MSG components, Ie. mushrooms, seaweed, tomatoes etc. Then see if there is any correlation between the food you ate and headaches. Ok, we still haven't gotten to causality and can't 'cause you are a sample population of 1. But it you can't draw a straight line from all ingestion of MSGT or MSG like foods then you are not having MSG sensitivity that results in migraines.
Perhaps something else is your trigger and it's happening at or around the same time as eating a suspect food. No clue. Could be you are not getting enough water, perhaps you aren't getting enough or too much protein. Perhaps your eating and food intake has absolutely nothing whatever to do with your migrains and it's just conicidence.
Placebo effect if powerful strong juju and unless you do everything to remove it as a factor you are always going to have a bias in your anecdotal assessment of MSG as a migraine trigger food. Honestly a peer reviewed double blind study showed that people who were given placebo pills, told in advance that the pills were actually placebos, and then proceded to take the placebo pills regularly had statistically significant improvement in their medical condition compared with those who did not take the placebo. It was a Harvard study and the condition was IBS with no relief from conventional treatment.-COLLAPSE
I should add to my comment: I, however, love the fact that MSG is stored in giant barrels in the kitchens of certain restaurants (ex. Chinese restaurants in Chinatown). I think almost everything can be improved/ accented by MSG; it's like salt, things just lack substance if there's not enough.
ike04 and glyph - I don't disagree with the fact that people have MSG sensitivites; I just disagree with the ones who are telling me that while eating Cheetos. Unfortunately, I think most people just avoid MSG because they heard someone sometime say something something MSG OMG. Like the people who claim sulfite allergies but eat dried fruit. Sorry you're mistakenly lumped in with idiots.
Ya know what guys, for those of us that react to it, it sucks. If you can find another solution to this, then please do. I am willing to say I'm not allergic, but that it makes me feel like Sh*t when I consume it. If it is not the MSG, then what else is it? I'm really asking, what else is it.... because when I cut out things with MSG from my diet I do not have the reaction of feeling like I was...+READ
Ya know what guys, for those of us that react to it, it sucks. If you can find another solution to this, then please do. I am willing to say I'm not allergic, but that it makes me feel like Sh*t when I consume it. If it is not the MSG, then what else is it? I'm really asking, what else is it.... because when I cut out things with MSG from my diet I do not have the reaction of feeling like I was hit by a train-COLLAPSE
Filing this under 'someone is wrong on the internet': look up stereoisomers, there is more than one kind of MSG.
It's all very well to talk about Chinese eating kilos of MSG with no ill effects, but don't forget that most east Asians can't process lactose without ill effects, while conversely millions of people in northern Europe process milk just fine.
I'm someone who is sensitive to MSG. It's often easier for me to just tell people that I'm allergic to it than explain that I get migraines from it. I know it's not an allergy (it has nothing to do with my immune system), but it's a word that everyone knows and makes the conversation shorter and more palatable.
You say there's no scientific evidence showing issues with MSG? We're still trying...+READ
I'm someone who is sensitive to MSG. It's often easier for me to just tell people that I'm allergic to it than explain that I get migraines from it. I know it's not an allergy (it has nothing to do with my immune system), but it's a word that everyone knows and makes the conversation shorter and more palatable.
You say there's no scientific evidence showing issues with MSG? We're still trying to understand migraines in general, but we are getting closer to answering this. Here are some peer reviewed articles y'all may wish to peruse: http://neurotransmitter.net/migraineglutamate.html and http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17691981
As for me - how do I know it's MSG that causes my migraines? I kept a food diary, recording *everything* I ate for months. Every time I ate an item with MSG on the label, I had a migraine close to 24 hours later.
Getting a migraine ruins my day, and it's something I've dealt with for 15 years now. I hate not being able to eat it. It sucks, but I'd rather not have a migraine than have a bag of Doritos. Please don't dismiss people's concerns about MSG. Sure, maybe for most people, they can eat buckets of it without a problem, but for me, it is.-COLLAPSE
jonbelle--I know its an amino acid---you are actually made of the stuff along with another 20 or so. I don't think its possible to be allergic to it.
I don't generally find myself commenting on articles I'm mentioned in but I am fascinated by the comments, so far. The little back and forth between annasiam and jonbelle so illustrates one of my pet peeves. The way we spin words to confuse. I don't doubt for a second that everything you two have said about glutamates ad infinitum is factual. And I admire your knowledge. But that's the sort of...+READ
I don't generally find myself commenting on articles I'm mentioned in but I am fascinated by the comments, so far. The little back and forth between annasiam and jonbelle so illustrates one of my pet peeves. The way we spin words to confuse. I don't doubt for a second that everything you two have said about glutamates ad infinitum is factual. And I admire your knowledge. But that's the sort of conversation that is responsible for the MSG ban in the first place. It has been estimated that every man, woman, and child in Mainland China consumes just under 2 lbs of MSG a year. This is a country with low breast cancer rates, low prostate cancer levels, very little record of Migraine, asthma, shall I go on? The media drove that ban. Mostly, I personally guess, because if it is that confusing to talk about it must be bad for us! There has never been a study done, and there have been a lot, in over 50 years of intense research, that has connected MSG to any of the "conditions" discussed in the media.
Instead of carrying on with this technical mumbo jumbo and further confusing the issue. Why aren't we going after all the hidden sources of sodium? I've developed products that end up with close to 1000 mg of sodium and I have not added a single grain of salt. What about all the phosphates used in meats to plump them up by holding water? As I have said for years and I believe mentioned to Joyce (well done girlfriend!!) Until we truly educate the consumer and stop with all the "mysteries" we won't ever be trusted by our consumers. They are in far more danger from the pathogens on the floors of uninspected plants than they are from MSG.
But there's the rub again and I'm guilty of it too. We speak in tongues. Pathogen means poison, period. We have to start speaking in a language our consumers can understand and we have to start being very open.
I would be rich if I had a nickel for every person who's suggested to me that no one really tells the truth on a label and no one follows the regs. That's so wrong and so unprovable because of all the secretness. I can only speak with full knowledge of Canadian regs but I know the U.S. regs as well and I know what happens if you put false info on a label or leave info out. You all do if you think about it. They're called Recalls and nobody wants one. You can be closed without notice, you can have your product ordered off the shelves, immediately. You can be put out of business in a very arbitrary fashion. Only a fool tries to ignore the regs. Only a really foolish fool plays the label game any more. The laws the law and it's enforced. I've seen plants shut down for a water drip from a corner of the ceiling.
I have vested interest, to be sure, in seeing our industry grow. But it comes from the sure and certain knowledge that we can do so very much more and with health and responiveness as part of the bargain. I can feed you from my freezer with food that I will say is not as good as, but better than anything you'll get in most restaurants. More importantly it will be safer. Restaurants are not governed by the same regulatory group that governs us. They generally come under local health departments and are inspected very occasionally by some public health nurse or other appointed inspector. Who does not swab around the drains and inside the fridges or ovens, and so on. And so you have e coli closures where small children get terribly ill and even die from eating a hamburger. Or listeria outbreaks from restos who didn't get the cross contamination memo.
I hope Joyce's article opens a dialogue that goes on and on and on. For there is much safety contained in such a discussion.
Happy New Year to one and all. Let's hope it's a good one, without any tears.-COLLAPSE
Great article and thanks for pointing out how crazy people are at the mere mention of these three letters: MSG.
Re: "People who say they're allergic to MSG usually aren't." -
The true statement would leave out the word "usually" as there hasn't been one single documented case in a peer-reviewed study of an MSG allergy. Ever. Even so-called "sensitivity" is, at it's best, placebo. Studies have shown that there might be negative effects when consuming mass quantites of it - but it would be the same kind...+READ
Re: "People who say they're allergic to MSG usually aren't." -
The true statement would leave out the word "usually" as there hasn't been one single documented case in a peer-reviewed study of an MSG allergy. Ever. Even so-called "sensitivity" is, at it's best, placebo. Studies have shown that there might be negative effects when consuming mass quantites of it - but it would be the same kind of quantities that one would have negative effects from regardless the chemical, be it salt, sugar, whatever.
I'm not shilling for Aji-No-Moto or anything, I just think it's time people stopped believing this nonsense. But then people still believe in angels and aliens and trickle-down economics, I suppose... always a losing battle...-COLLAPSE
Annasiam, I think you might be mistaken. Sodium isn't "attached" to glutamate once it hits water. It's an ionic bond that dissociates in solution. Naturally occurring glutamate can also associate with sodium ions in the food, technically making it monosodium glutamate. We just don't call it MSG unless it is purified out in it's pure form. The only possible difference is that it carries a little...+READ
Annasiam, I think you might be mistaken. Sodium isn't "attached" to glutamate once it hits water. It's an ionic bond that dissociates in solution. Naturally occurring glutamate can also associate with sodium ions in the food, technically making it monosodium glutamate. We just don't call it MSG unless it is purified out in it's pure form. The only possible difference is that it carries a little bit more sodium, but when you compare the quantities of naturally occurring glutamate to the quantities of salt you consume, this is totally negligible.
A difference in glutamate and glutamic acid only depends on pH. Glutamate is the basic form, and glutamic acid is the protonated acid. In a very acidic preparation, you might expect glutamate to be protonated, but even naturally occurring glutamic acid is almost completely equivalent to MSG. Once it gets past your digestive system, you can be certain that they are the same.
Of course, I don't recommend ingesting a large amount of MSG, I just don't want anyone to get hung up on this basic biochemical fact. I love the headline to this article though--if we were allergic to MSG, we'd all be dead!-COLLAPSE
I love it. Especially the MSG and carrageenan messages, so many people who think of themselves as 'delicate flowers that can't handle the dreaded chemicals' give people (and there are so few) with real MSG or other sensitivity an undeserved bad rep, purely because there are so many culinary dilettantes and control freaks in masquerade.
That's my story and I'm stickin' with it.
What a great article. However, natural foods such as mushrooms and tomatoes contain glutamate (or glutamic acid), which is an amino acid that stimulates the "umami" or savory flavor receptors. Monosodium glutamate is attached to a sodium. It's created by a fermentation process and is not naturally occuring in food in this form.