
Dear Helena,
I recently dined at an LA hot spot where it seemed that two-thirds of the diners were either hookers or women who looked like hookers (tight cocktail dresses, stilettos, and so on). My friend and I were dressed normally and were seated in a less "fun" part of the dining room, near a bunch of old people. Later, we saw the waiters seat a conspicuously frumpy couple behind a pillar at a tiny, tiny two-top. It was obvious they were being discriminated against because they weren't sexy. Do restaurants have a right to do this? And what's your recourse if you think you're getting the "looksist" treatment?
—My Money's as Good as the Hooker's
Dear My Money's as Good as the Hooker's,
Tight, short dresses and stilettos aren't reserved for hookers these days. The clothing you describe might simply be what is currently considered hot. Naturally, hotness will secure you a better table, as will fame and celebrity, at least at some restaurants. Most aren't willing to admit it, of course. I interviewed various maître d's and managers at glam hot spots in Los Angeles and New York, and the majority either denied discriminating when seating people or said they do so purely to make the customer happy (giving older couples quieter tables, for instance). But Michael Bailey, who has worked as maître d' at the New York–based Michael's and Lever House, says they're all lying: "If you have three supermodels or a really good-looking couple, you don't want to tuck them away in a dark corner; you want to showcase them like jewels."
Is it fair for an underwear model or just a fetching twentysomething to get a better table than you? No. But the fact is most of us like to ogle beautiful (or stylish) people and celebrities. As businesses, restaurants are bound to cater to that taste, the same way they put fresh flowers in their vases.
This doesn't mean you have to resign yourself to being seated next to the kitchen for the rest of your life. It's fine for guests to request a different table, says Marino Monferrato, general manager of Cecconi's in LA.
So although maître d's may try to shove you out of sight, if you ask to be moved, they will usually accommodate your request if they can. They're used to it. But be realistic: If you're a walk-in, don't expect a desirable table, and if you're a couple, don't expect to be seated at a four-top.
Another way to get a great table is to become a regular. Whereas famous and hot people may bring more business in the short term, most restaurant staff understand that repeat business is where the money is. When the gilded youth have moved on to the next hot restaurant, says Bailey, "what you have left is people living in the neighborhood and driving in from the suburbs—the middle layer."
You could also pick quieter restaurants with a clientele made up more of food-lovers than glitterati. Such places are easy to find, even in New York, Los Angeles, and Las Vegas. In some cities, like San Francisco, for instance, it's more the norm than the exception. Seating there tends to be democratic—so much so that it caused a minor scandal when former San Francisco mayor Willie Brown boasted of getting seated right away at Nopa, and Steve Jobs reportedly couldn't get seated at the massively popular restaurant Flour + Water.
In my experience, the restaurants that are showcasing eye candy are more focused on "the scene" than the quality of the food and service. Just my take, maybe I'm wrong.
What a wonderful story, Caprese Stacy!
Surely graydyn was being sarcastic. Right? Surely?
People, people,people. This is Chowhound! Get back to your purist roots and remember that the Food is First. I have been frumpy for many years now and if the food is good, I will return to the restaurant. I can put up with rude waiters, drafty locations, and the bimbettes at the next table if whatever is on my plate was worth the visit.
BTW despite my outward appearance I always make sure that...+READ
People, people,people. This is Chowhound! Get back to your purist roots and remember that the Food is First. I have been frumpy for many years now and if the food is good, I will return to the restaurant. I can put up with rude waiters, drafty locations, and the bimbettes at the next table if whatever is on my plate was worth the visit.
BTW despite my outward appearance I always make sure that my behavior is impeccably polite. Usually pays off.-COLLAPSE
Usually, my husband and I are not seated at the "lookist" tables. But on the day of our wedding, we hadn't really gotten to eat at our reception so we went out to dinner still dressed in our wedding attire. We were seated in what was basically the "front window" (felt like a department store window) of a popular downtown restaurant. It was so much fun. We were spectacle, but I didn't mind a bit...+READ
Usually, my husband and I are not seated at the "lookist" tables. But on the day of our wedding, we hadn't really gotten to eat at our reception so we went out to dinner still dressed in our wedding attire. We were seated in what was basically the "front window" (felt like a department store window) of a popular downtown restaurant. It was so much fun. We were spectacle, but I didn't mind a bit (spouse was a wee bit embarrased). The staff treated us like gold, and people walking by were waving, smiling, blowing kisses, giving "thumbs up."-COLLAPSE
My friend and I went to Transylvania (Dario Argento's horror-themed bar in Torino, Italy) wearing cute summer party dresses, and were seated at the only table down the hall that lead to the emergency exit. It works both ways!
my business partner Bob and I were seated at a chinese restaurant in front of Ben Affleck and Gwenyth Paltrow. Why? Because we were regulars, and they were not.
I agree with tatamagouche - much prefer being in a corner. Is the "Las Vegas strip" typical in terms of attire in Western-world cities and towns?
Graydn, that was an infantile comment. As long as paying guests are appropriately dressed for the formality of a restaurant and clean, they have every right to equal accomodation. One of my friends put on a LOT of weight due to a medical condition. I...+READ
I agree with tatamagouche - much prefer being in a corner. Is the "Las Vegas strip" typical in terms of attire in Western-world cities and towns?
Graydn, that was an infantile comment. As long as paying guests are appropriately dressed for the formality of a restaurant and clean, they have every right to equal accomodation. One of my friends put on a LOT of weight due to a medical condition. I wouldn't be so crass as to wish that upon you, but a bit more compassion would be in order.
Often such "lookist" establishments are overpriced and rely more on flash than good food.-COLLAPSE
I'm tired of people being so judgemental about actually having to share the world with people whose genes may not land them in the most attractive catagory. "fatties" have every right to eat dinner or lunch or dessert in public as anyone else or should we pass a law that fatties ae only allowed out after dark?
Of course fatties should be relegated to the corners! People are there to eat, who wants to be turned off their food by having to behold a heifer the whole meal?
I work weekends in a restaurant whilst finishing college, and although a small place, people still gripe about their "terrible" table. The best way to be seated where you like is to 1) Call ahead and make a reservation, explain what kind of table you expect (by the windows, bar, etc.) 2) If you aren't pleased with the table, and there are other options, simply politely say "we'd like to sit over...+READ
I work weekends in a restaurant whilst finishing college, and although a small place, people still gripe about their "terrible" table. The best way to be seated where you like is to 1) Call ahead and make a reservation, explain what kind of table you expect (by the windows, bar, etc.) 2) If you aren't pleased with the table, and there are other options, simply politely say "we'd like to sit over there, please."
If the table isn't reserved, they most likely will accommodate you.-COLLAPSE
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I don't know if it's that easy, joonjoon—seating sometimes has to do with staffing (whose section is busy and whose isn't). Sometimes tables are reserved. Etc.
Yeah, pick out a table you want and tell them you'd rather sit there...if they say no, take your business elsewhere.
i got the best service from michael bailey.....my husband and i sat at one of the best tables, had the best service and the staff was totally gracious to us....i guess we looked good that night...
The styling very much is "hot" by todays standards. Talk a stroll down the Las Vegas strip, or into any of the high end restaurants. That's the majority of attire amongst younger people.
I do like to be seated away from the crowd at any place where I dine. I don't like to disturb others, and them to disturb me. This is of course easy for where I dine, small but wonderful tasting joints around...+READ
The styling very much is "hot" by todays standards. Talk a stroll down the Las Vegas strip, or into any of the high end restaurants. That's the majority of attire amongst younger people.
I do like to be seated away from the crowd at any place where I dine. I don't like to disturb others, and them to disturb me. This is of course easy for where I dine, small but wonderful tasting joints around the Vegas Valley independently owned. Long Life Veggie, Huzzah!-COLLAPSE
Akitist: ha! Good point, good joke.
I wonder what "My Money"'s take on normal dress is. Black cocktail dress and stilettos sounds about right for a trendy spot in LA. A Kalamazoo librarian's working outfit might be less so.
I concurr that being seated with old people is a gut-wrenchingly angst-filled experience, and I'm sure my grand-daughter agrees with me.
Good rule of thumb--if the "beautiful people" are getting conspicuously seated the food is going to suck.
I dunno. Being seated in a virtually empty room sounds good to me.
Sometimes you don't have to be frumpy. Went to brunch once, and was seated alone in the 3rd dining room. Well, I thought, they're full out there; they'll start seating in here.
Ha. The only other table the whole time I was there was a couple with a toddler, obviously the only other "untouchables" that arrived.
I've been seated in a little, mostly walled-off section a few steps down from everything else... where the other two tables had small children. It was a blind date and aside from the worry we'd be trapped in a glass box full of crying children, we also didn't want to have to watch our language. We very promptly asked to be moved to another table, since the place was almost empty. I can understand...+READ
I've been seated in a little, mostly walled-off section a few steps down from everything else... where the other two tables had small children. It was a blind date and aside from the worry we'd be trapped in a glass box full of crying children, we also didn't want to have to watch our language. We very promptly asked to be moved to another table, since the place was almost empty. I can understand seating the two couples with kids in there near each other, but... two young people without kids?
Another time I was seated behind the entryway into the kitchen at a small, awful "Mexican" place... and my table was promptly forgotten. My date had to STAND and wave to get any attention. Again, they were virtually empty, so seating us back there made no sense.-COLLAPSE
Good point tatmagouche!
I think the undesirable tables tend to be behind pillars where it seems cramped, or next to the kitchen, were the doors might be swinging near your face. I've sat next to many kitchen doors that were also in corners. Both of these are not only "out of sight" but they are also uncomfortable. I've only had this happen when a restaurant is really cramped. If I see other tables, I ask for them....+READ
I think the undesirable tables tend to be behind pillars where it seems cramped, or next to the kitchen, were the doors might be swinging near your face. I've sat next to many kitchen doors that were also in corners. Both of these are not only "out of sight" but they are also uncomfortable. I've only had this happen when a restaurant is really cramped. If I see other tables, I ask for them. Sometimes the host will tell me they are all reserved, but I always have that sneaky suspicion...-COLLAPSE
What's a "better table"? I'd *rather* be in a dark quiet corner (which is by definition not next to the loud kitchen door). The premise—that "undesirable" tables are "out of sight" tables —is false. I hate tables in the middle of the room.