Make Your Own Pancetta
There’s something powerful about hacking apart a pig, slathering it with salt and spices, tying it up, and letting it hang in the cellar until covered with mold. “It shows what you’re capable of doing,” says Christine Mullen, executive chef of San Francisco’s CAV Wine Bar & Kitchen. “Not everybody can make their own salami and have a great product.”
The art of preserving or curing meat, charcuterie includes everything from pâtés and terrines to bacon and headcheese. Many chefs, like Mullen, are making their own in wine cellars and walk-ins across the country, turning previously undesirable pig parts into artisanal salamis, hams, and sausages. It’s a centuries-old European tradition that is experiencing a major renaissance.
Blame it on Batali and Bertolli. Mario Batali’s father, Armandino, operates a salumi shop in Seattle using skills he learned in Italy. When Mario opened Babbo in New York City in 1998, he began curing meats, too, using recipes his father helped to develop.
Paul Bertolli made his first charcuterie around 1982, while a chef at Chez Panisse. He later evangelized it at his annual Whole Hog Dinner menu at Oliveto in Oakland, California. His 2003 book Cooking by Hand contains an extensive chapter on curing pork that has inspired many chefs to give it a try.
“There’s a whole subculture in the food world that wants something authentic, wants something genuine, and wants to be transparent about it,” says Bertolli, who recently founded Fra’mani Handcrafted Salumi in Berkeley, California.
No two pieces of cured meat taste alike. The unique temperature, moisture, and mold conditions where each product hangs contribute to a subtle uniqueness that some compare to the terroir in wines. “These are products that you don’t put between mustard-slathered slabs of bread,” says Bertolli.
But there are dangers in the seemingly mystical transformation from raw to cured. If you don’t closely monitor temperatures, or if you use too little salt, harmful bacteria can flourish. For instance, homemade pancetta needs to be rolled very tightly, as pathogens can grow in air pockets.
Because of the risks, there are stringent health-code rules for charcuterie in most cities. In May, New York City health inspectors confiscated and destroyed several years’ and thousands of dollars’ worth of charcuterie after they found that the curing room at Il Buco was six degrees warmer than the health code allowed.
However, some chefs choose to break the rules. Mold flavors the meat, and to grow mold you need certain temperature and humidity levels—levels that the law might not always permit. “If you take [mold] . . . away, it’s just not gonna happen,” says Mullen. “You’re not gonna get the ‘wow’ factor.”
Here’s our recipe for homemade pancetta. It’ll make you feel powerful. Or at the very least, it will add bacony, fatty goodness to whatever it touches. Just don’t be scared of a little mold.
-Jason Horn
Photography by Susan Burdick. Illustration by Olivia Warnecke.
If you want to learn more, here are some charcuterie books that have been helpful to us.
The Art of Making Sausages, Pâtés, and Other Charcuterie, by Jane Grigson (Knopf, 1976)—An oldie but a goodie; the title says it all.
Charcuterie: The Craft of Salting, Smoking and Curing, by Michael Ruhlman and Brian Polcyn (W.W. Norton, 2005)—With more than 140 recipes, ranging from the classic prosciutto and pancetta to the nontraditional vegetable terrine and smoked salmon, this is the bible for curing meat at home.
Cooking by Hand, by Paul Bertolli (Clarkson Potter, 2003)—This cookbook/food memoir by the former Chez Panisse and Oliveto chef helped spark today’s charcuterie trend. The chapter titled “The Whole Hog” explains what to do with an entire pig.
Garde Manger: The Art and Craft of the Cold Kitchen (2nd Edition), by the Culinary Institute of America (Wiley, 2004)—Used as a textbook at America’s most prestigious cooking school, this tome features recipes and instruction in making food that isn’t cooked with heat, like cold soups and sausages.
More than likely those that maintain the red color have used nitrite in their curing agent. When used in appropriate quantities nitrite will help the meat maintain a nice red color, act as an antimicrobial and help with flavor.
The lighter color is maintained by the use of a curing agent. Any good processing supply shop will sell a cure. Prague powder or salt-peter were used many years ago as cure.
Mine were also pretty dark. Much darker than bacon, but not as as dark as beef jerky. The stuff I see in the store is like a dark red so there must be something the the commercial preparation that keeps it brighter than making it at home. Since there's no mold, I say put that slice in the frying pan & see what it tastes like.
Can anyone help me with a question? I made pancetta using a piece of pork belly a little less than half the size called for in Ruhlman's recipe or this one, so I halved the curing ingredients as well. It just finished aging - no mold or anything - but when I sliced it it looked a lot darker (brownish in the meat not the fat) than most of the pictures I have seen of other folks' pancetta, which...+READ
Can anyone help me with a question? I made pancetta using a piece of pork belly a little less than half the size called for in Ruhlman's recipe or this one, so I halved the curing ingredients as well. It just finished aging - no mold or anything - but when I sliced it it looked a lot darker (brownish in the meat not the fat) than most of the pictures I have seen of other folks' pancetta, which are often bright pink or red. Have I screwed it up? Should I toss it, or is this okay? Would love to hear from any of you who have done this.-COLLAPSE
hmlee,
It darkens as the moisture dries out of it, like beef jerky is darker than the original raw strip of meat. It will all be darker and smaller when it's done. Mold is related to moisture, so if the humidity isn't high in there it should be OK. Good luck and keep us posted!
Jan
So why exactly does the pancetta get darker in certain parts as it hangs? I have mine hanging in my closet now - day 4. It doesn't appear to have mold on it, but I want to make sure to know what to look for if things do start to go bad...
One other suggestion. Unless you're already practiced with tying meat you might wrap a towel & practice first. My first pancetta was ugly. I knew what she was doing, but watching her do it backward confused me. The second time I tied it like a pro, but it was unwieldy trying to hold this huge roll of meat on the counter, keep it tight and wrap that wad of string around it while the meat is greasy...+READ
One other suggestion. Unless you're already practiced with tying meat you might wrap a towel & practice first. My first pancetta was ugly. I knew what she was doing, but watching her do it backward confused me. The second time I tied it like a pro, but it was unwieldy trying to hold this huge roll of meat on the counter, keep it tight and wrap that wad of string around it while the meat is greasy & covered with seasoning too. That said, the first pancetta, with separate strings tied around it, was a much tighter roll than the second one I tied the "right" way. You have to tighten every knot from the start because that string won't slide to take up any slack.
And cheese making... ? Any links to recipes/techniques? That sounds interesting. Good luck!-COLLAPSE
Thanks Deborah and Jan. Will keep you posted. And thanks for the advise about the drips. And yes, and as with most Australians, I'm also fluent in American :), inches, farenheit etc as well as talking our own brand of English.
The fridge was slated for cheese making but that may have to wait for a few weeks...
--Greg
Good luck Greg! (and Thanks Deborah!) I think the wine fridge might be a good alternative during warm weather. My run in with mold came from high humidity.
Also note this will drip for a few days when you hang it up, so put a layer of foil, or a small bowl below or it will drip & run in the bottom of your fridge. It's just a small puddle maybe 2 inches diameter {sorry I don't know cm) but I...+READ
Good luck Greg! (and Thanks Deborah!) I think the wine fridge might be a good alternative during warm weather. My run in with mold came from high humidity.
Also note this will drip for a few days when you hang it up, so put a layer of foil, or a small bowl below or it will drip & run in the bottom of your fridge. It's just a small puddle maybe 2 inches diameter {sorry I don't know cm) but I didn't know it would drip when I made my first one.
Share your recipe when you get this put together. It usually takes a week or so before my grocery store gets a pork belly for me, so if you are letting yours thaw, I'll be a couple of weeks behind you.
Keep me posted!
Jan-COLLAPSE
Greg, thanks for pointing out the broken link on the pancetta recipe. It's been updated.
Best,
Deborah from CHOW
Thanks for the reply Jan. Given your experience I may give it a try. Our weather here in Melbourne (southern hemisphere) is mid-summer and we are experiencing yet again record high temperatures in the 40-45 degree range (104-113 deg F). So its not what the Italians might call ideal.
Anyway I am impatient as usual so I am going to do it anyway. A big "however" though, I have recently acquired a...+READ
Thanks for the reply Jan. Given your experience I may give it a try. Our weather here in Melbourne (southern hemisphere) is mid-summer and we are experiencing yet again record high temperatures in the 40-45 degree range (104-113 deg F). So its not what the Italians might call ideal.
Anyway I am impatient as usual so I am going to do it anyway. A big "however" though, I have recently acquired a wine cooler fridge which is supposed to keep the temperature between 10 and 15 deg Centigrade so I will put it in there for the curing time. Its a little cooler than recommended but may prevent mould growth.
--Greg-COLLAPSE
Hey Greg,
If you'll read my conversation with Jam0, the posts just above yours, you'll see I made it without curing salt & what I used. I couldn't find curing salt either, and like you I didn't want to use the nitrates, nitrites if I didn't have to. Mine turned out great! I think I'll mix kosher salt (less salty & larger grains) with the very fine Tender Quick I used and come up with a less salty...+READ
Hey Greg,
If you'll read my conversation with Jam0, the posts just above yours, you'll see I made it without curing salt & what I used. I couldn't find curing salt either, and like you I didn't want to use the nitrates, nitrites if I didn't have to. Mine turned out great! I think I'll mix kosher salt (less salty & larger grains) with the very fine Tender Quick I used and come up with a less salty product.
My first batch was excellent, although a bit too salty on its own, it was very good for using in beans, soups, stews & pastas. My second batch would have been wonderful... BUT, the weather turned rainy on me. Saturday was my goal to take it down & storms moved in on Thursday. I belatedly cut it down (it was hanging in the garage) on Friday, and it smelled wonderful & looked good, but there was a tiny little speck of green fuzz at the bottom center. I cut that off & cooked a few slices & they tasted fine & I didn't get sick, but I unrolled it further & found more green inside. ;-( I wrapped it & kept it refrigerated and it was a couple of weeks before I could bear to throw it out. Somewhere in this string of posts I read white mold is good, green mold is bad.
I am going to call the grocery & have them order another pork belly for me and try again. Our weather was very mild before Christmas so it was too warm. January and February are our coldest and driest months so now is the ideal time for me to have another go at it. Good luck & let me know what combination of salts & flavors you use.
Jan-COLLAPSE
Hi
I was thinking of making procuitto but making pancetta looks like a bit of a practice run. I actually have a pork belly in the freezer so I think I'll make pancetta with it. I was hoping not to use any chemicals like curing salt. So my first question is,
- is it possible to make pancetta without the curing salt ?
I guess I don't have too strong an objection. I eat bacon for example.
...+READ
Hi
I was thinking of making procuitto but making pancetta looks like a bit of a practice run. I actually have a pork belly in the freezer so I think I'll make pancetta with it. I was hoping not to use any chemicals like curing salt. So my first question is,
- is it possible to make pancetta without the curing salt ?
I guess I don't have too strong an objection. I eat bacon for example.
The second question is,
- what is curing salt ?
I am in Melbourne, Australia and I have seen a lot of local suppliers of cures for various smallgoods like sausages for example. Is curing salt a standard item/recipe. What would I ask for ? I could ask them but a bit of background would be useful. The link to "curing salt" on the recipe is broken.
Thanks!
Greg-COLLAPSE
I'm not sure, after the first two times I approximated the amount but it would have been about the same quantity. ie I dont add extra or much extra due to the lack of curing salt. I did however add more the first time and it came out rather salty.
Ah ha... Thanks for that. I will go on a search for larger salt! The Tender Quick is a very fine salt, Which makes sense for use in pickling and for brining meat because you want it to dissolve in the liquid.
I washed off the cure, but the meat was so large it just barely fit in my sink. I also could have filled the sink and really washed it off instead of just running water over it. And using...+READ
Ah ha... Thanks for that. I will go on a search for larger salt! The Tender Quick is a very fine salt, Which makes sense for use in pickling and for brining meat because you want it to dissolve in the liquid.
I washed off the cure, but the meat was so large it just barely fit in my sink. I also could have filled the sink and really washed it off instead of just running water over it. And using that fine-grained salt, I'm sure a lot of it had already soaked in. I used a half a pork belly. If the butcher has one, I think I will buy a whole pork belly and have it cut into thirds. The smaller pieces of meat will be easier to handle and I can wash it better, and probably roll it better. and it will give me 3 options for different flavors.
So how much salt do you use per pound? I used the recipe called for here on Chow, but I substituted Tender Quick @ 1 tablespoon per pound for the curing salt. It required a lot less curing salt but that is loaded with nitrites and nitrates and this method worked, I'm fine with it. I am soooo busy, but with Christmas 3 weeks and 2 days away. I have to get this started so I'll have time to get it done before Christmas!-COLLAPSE
Sorry my bad.
for saltiness the granule size is important. The principle is that smaller grains will desolve and penetrate the meat more where as the larger crystals desolve just enough to salt the flesh but are also large enough to draw out the blood (which is the primary purpose of the proceedure when making kosher cured foods). In my early attempts I used a mixture of table salt and large...+READ
Sorry my bad.
for saltiness the granule size is important. The principle is that smaller grains will desolve and penetrate the meat more where as the larger crystals desolve just enough to salt the flesh but are also large enough to draw out the blood (which is the primary purpose of the proceedure when making kosher cured foods). In my early attempts I used a mixture of table salt and large sea salt and they were good but quite salty. Now i just use the large sea salt and it comes out only mildly more salty than normal bacon. I fidn the less salty meat has greater recipe potential.
After curing but before hanging you want to wash the cure off (the salt), however I find it works better if you give it a decent rinse rather than a 5 second one.
There are a variety of method for curing meats in the fridge like this one. The two primary being elevated and soaking. Soaking is what we did here, where the meat sits in its own salty juices so that they can circulate. I find that this means alot of the salt dissolves in the fluids. The other being elevated where you put the meat (commonly fish) between two oven or cooling racks and then put the whole lot in the bag. This prevents the meat from soaking. The reason I say this is more salty is it draws out the fluids but little of the salt dissolves in those fluids and so more of it stays on or in the meat.-COLLAPSE
OK, you lost me a little bit. You mean the size of the salt I use can make a difference in the saltiness? I used Tender Quik, a commercial salt used for pickles and stuff since I couldn't find the regular curing salt the recipe calls for.
And if I wash the surface really well, it will wash a lot of the salt off, and the same with a vinegar wash before I roll it.
But that last part you lost...+READ
OK, you lost me a little bit. You mean the size of the salt I use can make a difference in the saltiness? I used Tender Quik, a commercial salt used for pickles and stuff since I couldn't find the regular curing salt the recipe calls for.
And if I wash the surface really well, it will wash a lot of the salt off, and the same with a vinegar wash before I roll it.
But that last part you lost me.. I had it in a plastic bag in the fridge for the first week, but what do you mean by "elevating" it?-COLLAPSE
Your son has exellent taste :D. I love shrimp, possibly overly so. I don't even consider other options when they are available.
I'm pleased your pancetta worked out well. An amazing flavor isn't it? I'll never go back to the shop bought stuff after knowing how good it can be. I plan on starting 2 in the next couple of days, also hoping to complete them for christmas.
The unraveling when you...+READ
Your son has exellent taste :D. I love shrimp, possibly overly so. I don't even consider other options when they are available.
I'm pleased your pancetta worked out well. An amazing flavor isn't it? I'll never go back to the shop bought stuff after knowing how good it can be. I plan on starting 2 in the next couple of days, also hoping to complete them for christmas.
The unraveling when you cook it issue has kind of frustrated me a little but I think there should be a way to fuse it together better than I have in the past. I've tried using fat and hanging a little longer which helps it hold together when I cut it but not when I cook it. Oh well, no real loss anyway.
I've found that it is very easy to control how salty it is. It depends on the salt you use in the cure (ie size), how well you wash it before hanging and I think wiping it with vinegar may remove some from the surface. Well these are the factors we can control easily. Oh and whether you just toss in a bag to soak during the cure or elevate it makes a huge difference. I've found elevating it makes it saltier.
jamo-COLLAPSE
I thought it was cracklin, but I wasn't sure. The "g" gets left off down here in the southern part of the States. Actually many people in the North probably have never heard of it. LOL And my spelling of Risoles was just a guess.
Anyway... my pancetta turned out GREAT! I cut it down yesterday and was disappointed to find I hadn't sealed it completely when I rolled it but there was no mold,...+READ
I thought it was cracklin, but I wasn't sure. The "g" gets left off down here in the southern part of the States. Actually many people in the North probably have never heard of it. LOL And my spelling of Risoles was just a guess.
Anyway... my pancetta turned out GREAT! I cut it down yesterday and was disappointed to find I hadn't sealed it completely when I rolled it but there was no mold, white or any other color and it still smelled like it did when I started, although not as strong.
I cut the bottom part of because it was hard and uneven and then I sliced a few pieces and cooked them in a skillet. Just a bite by itself was pretty salty so I wasn't sure how to prepare it. I found a bunch of recipes and decided to make a fettuccine, shrimp, pancetta dish for dinner. However, in the meantime I found a recipe for white beans and pancetta & decided to cook the beans while I watched football Sunday afternoon.
We usually season beans with bacon or ham. I boiled the beans for 2 minutes and then let them stand for an hour. I cut up the hard uneven end of the pancetta into a dice, and cooked it. Then I diced and cooked a red onion (it was the only color I had) in the skillet in the pancetta grease. I chopped up the previously cooked slices (that I hadn't already eaten) into small bits and added all the pancetta to the onions to warm it all up. Then I dumped it into the beans and let it cook for another hour and a half until the beans were done.
Oh my gosh! Now I know why people love pancetta! It was nothing like a "pot of beans" that we cook with bacon or ham! It was much more than that! I put some olive oil and an herb blend on slices of French bread and in a low oven to dry it out on both sides, and crumbled it into croutons to eat in the soup. I also added freshly grated Parmesan and another hard cheese (Romano or Asiago) to the top and it was wonderful! I decided to hold the fettuccine and shrimp for another day.
But I learned a LOT! I didn't roll this as tightly as I should have. When I rolled it I thought it was a shape I was making and I didn't realize the point was to remove the air pockets. I've used about 2-3 inches so far and the center is open. When I slice it comes apart and forms a "C" shape, which is kind of OK because then I can cut off that big lump of fat I rolled into the middle. Next time I will trim the fat and do a better job of shaping it into a nice rectangle or square. Now I know that will make the rolling easier. I am going to call the butcher today and see if they have more. I think I will make 2 at the same time. One like this, but rolled right; and one with different seasonings, maybe some more heat. If I do it this week, they will be done in time to share with my family as Christmas gifts.
I also found a pancetta and sage recipe for turkey and gravy that I plan to use for Christmas dinner.
I have taken pictures, but I need to get them online and send a link so you can see how it turned out. I'll try to do that in a few days.
I will be very busy this week so it might be a few days before I can send a link to my pix.
Thanks so much for your encouragement through this. I was a bit cautious when I was about to take that first bite, but there was no foul smell, so I went for it. ;-) Yum! And my son loved it for dinner too. He didn't even mind about not having shrimp, which is his favorite food!-COLLAPSE
Sorry about the late reply, I've been real busy.
How did your pancetta turn out?
Yea rissoles are good. Risoles(diff. spelling I think is like an indonesian springroll 'thing'). I've always enjoyed turkey but it's very rarely eaten here.
It is probably a bit late to comment now but the pig skin could be used as crackling, it is essentially just salted pig skin. I think it was probably a good...+READ
Sorry about the late reply, I've been real busy.
How did your pancetta turn out?
Yea rissoles are good. Risoles(diff. spelling I think is like an indonesian springroll 'thing'). I've always enjoyed turkey but it's very rarely eaten here.
It is probably a bit late to comment now but the pig skin could be used as crackling, it is essentially just salted pig skin. I think it was probably a good idea to remove it otherwise it would have gone like leather. And yea dogs love it.-COLLAPSE
I think I would take it off too. I don't know how you make it, but I think they make dog chews out of pigskin. If you have a dog, that might be worth googling and seeing if there is a way to make it.
I think it's just dried or sometimes smoked? Maybe cut it into chunks & put it in a very low oven to dry out, kind of like you'd make beef jerky.
thanks. since it will be hard, i've decided to take the skin off. anyone have any uses for salt-cured pigskin?
That is way beyond my level of knowledge. When it dries, it will be all sealed together in a roll, so if skin is inedible rolled up in there I would think it should have to come off, but I have no idea if you can cut it off at this stage. The skin was already cut off mine when I bought it so I didn't have to do that. Maybe someone else knows?
I just hung my pancetta to dry and realized I skipped the step of removing the skin. Does anyone have any advice? Should I take it down, remove the skin, and re-hang? Or wait until it dries?
I looked up Bresaola and found some recipes and blog with some pictures. It was covered with white mold, and now I know what to look for if my pancetta gets it, although I don't think it will in the next few days.
I have hosted a Thanksgiving Dinner which included some friends from Australia for their first American Thanksgiving. They loved it. It was fun to share that American tradition with...+READ
I looked up Bresaola and found some recipes and blog with some pictures. It was covered with white mold, and now I know what to look for if my pancetta gets it, although I don't think it will in the next few days.
I have hosted a Thanksgiving Dinner which included some friends from Australia for their first American Thanksgiving. They loved it. It was fun to share that American tradition with them. And they shared some Aussie traditions with us. We made risoles (is that how you spell it?) it was kind of a cross between a plain hamburger and how we make meatloaf. I've lost my recipe, so if you know what I'm talking about I'd love to hear what you have to say about it.
But I can see why you'd go for BBQ for Christmas. It's the middle of summer for you. That's what we do for the 4th of July (again another American holiday... sorry) because we cook out and it's warm.
We usually have turkey again for Christmas, and then we have ham for New Year's Day, but this varies in different parts of the country. Traditional menus for New Year's Day in the south (which Oklahoma is more south than north) include ham, black eyed peas and rice. Black eyed peas are considered lucky, so you eat them on New Year's Day for good luck through the year.
Black eyed peas are frequently seasoned with bacon drippings, so I think that is where I'll use my pancetta.
It's good to hear that the bottom is imperfect... I was afraid it meant there are air holes. They still might be there, but the flared out bottom doesn't mean it for sure.
I'll let you know how it turns out.-COLLAPSE
Lol thanks, I remember having thanksgiving with friends in the US once. It was awesome.
I would suggest some recipes but christmas is rather a different event here. Instead of christmas hams (although not uncommon) we usually go for BBQ's and summery things.
I find the rolled pancetta often get an imperfect half inch at the bottom. Can try rolling tighter but I found it doesnt help much....+READ
Lol thanks, I remember having thanksgiving with friends in the US once. It was awesome.
I would suggest some recipes but christmas is rather a different event here. Instead of christmas hams (although not uncommon) we usually go for BBQ's and summery things.
I find the rolled pancetta often get an imperfect half inch at the bottom. Can try rolling tighter but I found it doesnt help much. Maybe a slip knot to tighten during the drying might help.
Manuka has a light taste but I'm not sure how to describe it. Sounds like your brother does hot smoking. It is purely reference to temperature. Hot smoke cooks the meat an flavors it where as cold doesn't. To do a cold smoke you just add a length of pipe from the original smoke chamber where it is hot to an additional one containing the meat. By time the smoke gets there it is cold.
Bresaola is strongly flavored of red wine and air cure is just a reference to one of the many methods of curing. If you would like to try it check theartisan.net they have lots of recipes including bresaola. I simplified their recipe a little because I wanted a milder taste.
Good luck-COLLAPSE
You're probably right, buffalo might be too lean to do this with. We have a few places around here that sell buffalo meat. I've made chili with it and it's very good.
I have no idea what Bresaola is. A "red wine air cure"? And what is a "cold smoke"? We're having smoked turkey and ham for Thanksgiving today. My brother has a smoker, like a tall charcoal grill. Coals are in the bottom, then a pan...+READ
You're probably right, buffalo might be too lean to do this with. We have a few places around here that sell buffalo meat. I've made chili with it and it's very good.
I have no idea what Bresaola is. A "red wine air cure"? And what is a "cold smoke"? We're having smoked turkey and ham for Thanksgiving today. My brother has a smoker, like a tall charcoal grill. Coals are in the bottom, then a pan of water and the meat goes in the top. Close it up & keep it going until the meat is done. But I think he has a gas smoker instead of having to keep shoveling in charcoal. What kind of flavor do you get with Manuka wood? Mesquite is something we use around here to flavor smoked or even grilled foods. Hickory is another wood we use for smoking.
I think my pancetta is still looking good. However, the bottom looks kind of "unrolled" at the very end. I think it's the drying process and the different moisture levels of the meat that is causing it, but next time I will be sure to roll it and tie it tight all the way to the bottom.
Only 3 more days.
Now I need a good recipe for pancetta that will go with Christmas Dinner so I can share it with the family.
I am going to get some condensed milk and try that dip you mentioned. It sounds very good.
I will also slice off the bottom portion of the pancetta and cook it up & taste a small amount before I go for the whole thing. Let's hope nothing bad happens!
I know to you it's just Thursday, but Happy Thanksgiving anyway.-COLLAPSE
Hand lense as in a magnifying glass or something of the sort. I used to to identify the crystal structure of the salt. lol That really sounds geeky. :p and yea I just chopped of a small piece and cooked it and ate to see if it tasted odd or I became sick shortly after.
Yea, fish and chips joints usually have vinegar available here, aus or the UK. although we usually have white vinegar...+READ
Hand lense as in a magnifying glass or something of the sort. I used to to identify the crystal structure of the salt. lol That really sounds geeky. :p and yea I just chopped of a small piece and cooked it and ate to see if it tasted odd or I became sick shortly after.
Yea, fish and chips joints usually have vinegar available here, aus or the UK. although we usually have white vinegar available as the first choice and less often malt. Vinegar is great for everything. I use it for making salad dressings, dips, a dash is good in alot of cooking eg stews, marinades and it is essential for pickling. And most important pancetta :D.
Yea, same stuff as you use in key lime pie (I should have remembered that). Though the non sweetened version would be better. To one can add about a shot worth of vinegar (30ml and I'm approximating about a fluid ounce) and a little salt and pepper. From here you can add almost anything you want. Some lemon and garlic can be quite good. Chilli adds nicely too. Personally I quite like just using the base design and dipping crisps or celery in it. Crispy breads, crackers or raw veges are what goes best with it, although putting it in a sandwich with some cheese and salad makes a nice lunch too.
We can buy venison but you would be insane to pay neigh on 30 dollers a kilo when you can kill many kilos worth for a few cents. There is a much more liberal hunting culture over here. Though if you shoot deer you would be nuts not to eat it. My close friend shoots deer regularly and two years ago he got a whole one turned into 40 large sticks of salami. They were superb. Making sausages is quite different but also very very easy. If you want to try that there are thousands of recipes available and just designate an afternoon to do it. They will be ready to use almost straight away.
To get more obscure cuts of meat for curing eg buffalo belly you would probably need to request it at the root lvl. eg go to the abattoir or find a friendly butcher who deals in buffalo. Would Buffalo not be a bit too lean for pancetta? I would have gone for cures like Bresaola, which is a red wine air cure. Bresaola is great with poached eggs rocket or water cres.
I had some smoked pancetta today. It remains my favorite. Maybe you should try it next. You want to do a cold smoke so as to not cook it and I do it just before I hang it. I've chosen to do it then because the pancetta wouldbe too dry after and I figured it is safer after cured. I use Manuka wood which wont be available to you, so you might want to research what one would suit your needs.-COLLAPSE
Ok, I checked it out with my flashlight and it looks like rolled up meat. Nothing fuzzy or slimy. There are specks of pepper that I put on before I rolled it, but otherwise it looks good. And it still smells good.
I don't know what a "hand lense" is (or maybe I do, but we call it something else) and by "taste test" do you mean you cut off a slice and cooked/tasted it when you cut it down?
Mine...+READ
Ok, I checked it out with my flashlight and it looks like rolled up meat. Nothing fuzzy or slimy. There are specks of pepper that I put on before I rolled it, but otherwise it looks good. And it still smells good.
I don't know what a "hand lense" is (or maybe I do, but we call it something else) and by "taste test" do you mean you cut off a slice and cooked/tasted it when you cut it down?
Mine gets no light except when I turn on the light out there to look at it. And I have to smell it when I check it because it looks fine to me. And it smells yummy.
So about this malt vinegar thing. We have a fast food restaurant called Long John Silver's and they fry fish and chips (French Fries) and malt vinegar is available to splash on the fish, and I love it. But other than that, we don't really know what to do with Malt Vinegar here in the States, so give me some help.
The only "condensed milk" I know if is canned "sweetened condensed milk" and it's a prime ingredient in Key Lime Pie. Is that what you mix with malt vinegar? What kind of flavoring do you add? And what do you dip in it or spread it on?
And we do have venison. But it's not something we buy in the grocery store. The venison I hear of is from people who hunt and have the deer they shoot dressed and I don't know the terminology, but if you shoot it you use it.
But we do have bison (American Buffalo) available for sale. I've bought it to make chili and it's very lean and yummy. I wonder if I could find a buffalo belly to make pancetta out of?
Do you have deer in New Zealand?
I have never thought of making salami, but I love it! I'd also love to make some sausage. I wonder what the difference is? I guess it's that sausage has to be cooked and salami can be eaten without cooking?
So tell me more about the malt vinegar spread and how you make it and what you dip in it. It sound like something I would love!-COLLAPSE
Allergys suck. My mum is allergic to neigh on everything.
Sounds like the right color and progress. When you take your torch/flashlight out to have a look check the meat surfaces, thats where you will like the salt and/or mold if there is any. You will usually only get salt if the meat absorbed too much. When I first made one I wasnt sure what I had until I got out a hand lense and then did a...+READ
Allergys suck. My mum is allergic to neigh on everything.
Sounds like the right color and progress. When you take your torch/flashlight out to have a look check the meat surfaces, thats where you will like the salt and/or mold if there is any. You will usually only get salt if the meat absorbed too much. When I first made one I wasnt sure what I had until I got out a hand lense and then did a taste test.
Don't be concerned about a little light - mine got reasonable dosages of halogen bulb - obviously though, its best to keep it to a minimum as it encourages nastys.
I know the feeling about sniffing it. I love sniffing mine, they smell soo good. Sadly some of my flatmates disagreed and said it smelt rancid. Their problem though, not mine. They just don't appreciate the better things in life.
I love my malt vinegar, couldn't live without it. Mix a little with condensed milk (like reduced cream if you don't have it there) and season it however you like. Note that the base taste is rather sweet. Makes for a nice spread or dip. My family has been doing various versions of it for generations.
Do you get venison around your area? I'm keen to try curing some venison or something. They make very nice salami.-COLLAPSE
Sorry about that. I just saw malt vinegar on the shelf and thought "I need that" but I couldn't remember why. I guess I had your suggestion in the back of my mind when I saw it. So far I don't see any kind of furry thing on it. It still is pretty smooth looking like the fat was when I hung it.
Yes, it is getting darker, and the fat is not silvery anymore, but kind of a very light tan color.
I...+READ
Sorry about that. I just saw malt vinegar on the shelf and thought "I need that" but I couldn't remember why. I guess I had your suggestion in the back of my mind when I saw it. So far I don't see any kind of furry thing on it. It still is pretty smooth looking like the fat was when I hung it.
Yes, it is getting darker, and the fat is not silvery anymore, but kind of a very light tan color.
I haven't touched it a lot, but my son hung it up just out of my reach, so when I want to see if it still smells good I have pulled it a little closer to get a sniff.
The light in my garage is a pretty dim bulb, I might take a flashlight out there (I think you would call it a torch) & take a look at it in better light.
It seems to look like the pictures in the demo above.
I will know it if it gets mold. I am very allergic to mold and my nose will tickle if it gets much on it. That will be my first clue.
I'm keeping my fingers crossed. 6 more days.-COLLAPSE
lol, You lost me on that vinegar bit. If you're asking why you purchased it for the pancetta, the answer is for mold treatment. Incase your pancetta grows little white furries (either mold or salt). The mold itself from everything I've read is harmless but I remove it anyway. Watch for colored mold though (including pale green), these kinds are bad.
The high humidity should be fine, I've read...+READ
lol, You lost me on that vinegar bit. If you're asking why you purchased it for the pancetta, the answer is for mold treatment. Incase your pancetta grows little white furries (either mold or salt). The mold itself from everything I've read is harmless but I remove it anyway. Watch for colored mold though (including pale green), these kinds are bad.
The high humidity should be fine, I've read reports that the humidity can be good for taste but does as pose additional risk. Taste for risk seems to be story of everything with pancetta. I wouldn't be too concerned though. Just follow its progress and I'm sure you will notice anything if it does go wrong. I always do a little tester piece afte complete so if something is wrong I'll get it in a small dose.
The firmness is good. Has it dried around the edges and darkened in color much? This isn't anything important, I'm just curious about how fast it is drying.
I would recommend not touching it directly or if you need to cover your hand in plastic wrap. Nor should you let them touch each other if you are making multiples. This applies to all salumi.-COLLAPSE
I just bought some malt vinegar over the weekend, but I wasn't sure why. Now I remember. But I don't remember why.
So far mine is still firm and has a very slightly oily feel on the surface.
I will plan to take it down next weekend. Let's hope nothing odd happens in the meantime.
Our humidity is a bit more than 60% the last few days and there is a chance of rain on Thanksgiving Day (that's this...+READ
I just bought some malt vinegar over the weekend, but I wasn't sure why. Now I remember. But I don't remember why.
So far mine is still firm and has a very slightly oily feel on the surface.
I will plan to take it down next weekend. Let's hope nothing odd happens in the meantime.
Our humidity is a bit more than 60% the last few days and there is a chance of rain on Thanksgiving Day (that's this Thursday). I'm sure the garage is dryer, but I'll keep an eye on it if it turns rainy.
Thanks.-COLLAPSE
"Sweet" bacon is probably kind of similar to what you know normal bacon as. Maybe with just a little more sweetness. This discription is more of a comparison to the distinct savory flavor of this recipe.
Il'd say stick to the 15 for now unless you feel some urgent need to take it down. If you run into any problems just remember the vinegar wipe. The malt vinegar adds a nice taste anyway.
As...+READ
"Sweet" bacon is probably kind of similar to what you know normal bacon as. Maybe with just a little more sweetness. This discription is more of a comparison to the distinct savory flavor of this recipe.
Il'd say stick to the 15 for now unless you feel some urgent need to take it down. If you run into any problems just remember the vinegar wipe. The malt vinegar adds a nice taste anyway.
As for spoiling I think that is said for two reasons; the first is that pancetta has a relatively short curing time and secondly, often once taken down it is sliced and therefore has new exposed surfaces. It is the same reason you shouldnt hang it for too long.
jamo-COLLAPSE
So the longer it hangs, the harder it gets... makes sense, more moisture is out of it, And the longer it hangs, the more savory and less sweet. I don't even know what "sweet" bacon tastes like.
So next Sunday will be 15 days. I'm not sure when I'll cut it down. It smells really great right now.
It seems very odd to hang a piece of meat in my garage for 2 weeks and then I have to put it in the...+READ
So the longer it hangs, the harder it gets... makes sense, more moisture is out of it, And the longer it hangs, the more savory and less sweet. I don't even know what "sweet" bacon tastes like.
So next Sunday will be 15 days. I'm not sure when I'll cut it down. It smells really great right now.
It seems very odd to hang a piece of meat in my garage for 2 weeks and then I have to put it in the fridge or it will spoil.
Now I have to find some good recipes to use it in! I can't wait!
Jan-COLLAPSE
Hey,
The shortest one I did was about eight days and I had to take it down due to house work. And the longest about three weeks. These times I think are about the reasonable limits of what should be done. Any less and although I suspect it would be safe, there would be no benefit to the hanging and any longer and the bacon will be too dry and may carry health risks. At 8 days the pancetta is...+READ
Hey,
The shortest one I did was about eight days and I had to take it down due to house work. And the longest about three weeks. These times I think are about the reasonable limits of what should be done. Any less and although I suspect it would be safe, there would be no benefit to the hanging and any longer and the bacon will be too dry and may carry health risks. At 8 days the pancetta is still quite moist and soft and the fat will soften during cooking and it will release a fair bit of moisture too. The taste already has all the flavors of the 'cure' but not much of the unique savory flavor of aged meat. Whilst still good I definately recommend longer. 2-3 weeks I found to be the most ideal range for time vs flavor and enough moisture that it hasn't turned into a brick. At this point it should be quite firm (like softish salami) and the flavor imparted should be one of the three most noticeable flavors. After three weeks it becomes more like a hard salami, especially around the edges. However it has a wonderful taste.
I find I do shorter times for sweeter bacons and longer times for savory ones, especially those for salads.
On a side note the flavor is produced in cured meats from 3 sources. denaturing of the meat, bacteria and mold. Although this sounds bad this is the source of the taste and isn't harmful if the right ones are cultured. So obviously with more time comes more flavor and more risk.
I think you must have read 3 weeks to make it as I couldn't find anything sayig otherwise. I often give it a little more cure time and hang time then stated but I do find it hard to be patient when I usually want to eat it as soon as I begin to make it. Another factor to note is how you slice it. A softer bacon will be difficult thinly slice with a knife (a trick here is to partially freeze or at least refridgerate to make thin slicing easier - this applies to all meat). If you have a food slicer though, there no issues anyhow.
I recommend 15 days or just over for your first one before you become too playful.-COLLAPSE
Hi,
Somewhere I read that this was supposed to hang for 3 weeks, but the demo at the top of this shows it drying for 15 days. Maybe I read it takes 3 weeks to make it?
How long do you let yours hang? It's eight days today. And you mentioned more aged or less aged changes the flavor in one of your earlier posts. Can you tell me more about that?
Thanks,
Jan
The problem involved with making a leg of proscuitto is it takes a minimum of 6 months and up to 2 and a half years for a better quality one. There are a few basic recipes floating around on the internet and in books but the better recipes are kind of family secrets I think.
As for the tying I didn't have any trouble following the instructions but I can see how you might. The changes I made...+READ
The problem involved with making a leg of proscuitto is it takes a minimum of 6 months and up to 2 and a half years for a better quality one. There are a few basic recipes floating around on the internet and in books but the better recipes are kind of family secrets I think.
As for the tying I didn't have any trouble following the instructions but I can see how you might. The changes I made are; a second line to hang with, making it tyed on four sides. And instead of just looping it around the pancetta, I tied each one off so that when cutting it into smaller chunks for storage each loop will act to hold one piece together by itself.
I just try to roll as tight as I can and that all that can be done. Should be fine though. I haven't had any issues yet.
Mmm paprika would be nice. I tried rosemary in one and that worked alright. Not perfected but it does create a different flavor to the pancetta.
jamo-COLLAPSE
My pancetta has been hanging a week & so far so good. I didn't read/hear about air pockets until I'd already rolled & hung my pancetta, so I hope there aren't any. I don't know if I would have done it differently if I knew about them. I just rolled it as tight as I could pressing it as I went. I had my son have a go at it when I finished & he said he thought it was as tight as we could get it.
We...+READ
My pancetta has been hanging a week & so far so good. I didn't read/hear about air pockets until I'd already rolled & hung my pancetta, so I hope there aren't any. I don't know if I would have done it differently if I knew about them. I just rolled it as tight as I could pressing it as I went. I had my son have a go at it when I finished & he said he thought it was as tight as we could get it.
We had a little trouble with the tying. couldn't quite figure out that first slip knot. I said we should practice on a rolled up towel before we do the next one. I sew, and I ended up doing a "blanket stitch" around it, which I think is the same thing on the demonstration, but we couldn't figure out the way she showed. Mine is not hanging straight down, but has a little curve at the bottom.
I love prosciutto too! But it's a little more available around here so I hadn't thought to make some of my own. I'll have to look for a recipe and see what's involved.
I have some ideas about my chili flavored pancetta. I'll have to check my spice rack and see what sounds good. I'm thinking paprika, & cayenne... I have some good rubs for brisket. I might use that with the salt & sugar...
I will keep you posted.
Jan-COLLAPSE
Storing a few bits of data and ideas will be great for future ref. Both for yourself and others.
Yea, the dripping is a bit of an issue but it only occurs for the first few days. After then it evaporates faster than it seeps. I always put a bowl or tray of some form under where I hang it. As it drys you may begin to notice white growth - which as posted elsewhere on this site will either be...+READ
Storing a few bits of data and ideas will be great for future ref. Both for yourself and others.
Yea, the dripping is a bit of an issue but it only occurs for the first few days. After then it evaporates faster than it seeps. I always put a bowl or tray of some form under where I hang it. As it drys you may begin to notice white growth - which as posted elsewhere on this site will either be salt or mold, both easily dealt with. How you tie the pancetta is important as basic design taught allows it to droop and deform. I developed my own methods off the same basis but I figure everybody will have their own needs or desires to achieve here. Avoid air pockets - they scare me a little as one of my flatmates is doing food science and explained some of the unfriendly things I could encounter.
When I started producing them and I went hunting for the componants I got some wierd looks from people wondering if I was nuts. Their problem though - Im the one that gets the end result :D
It is expensive here as well. I would pay $60 NZ a kilo minimum and much more for better quality. Im working towards making prosciutto which I pay $160 NZ a kilo for.
As for modifications, the only essential bit is the curing (salting and refridgeration), elsewise you can substitute anything. Do note however that the impression I have been given is that other ingredients add to its survivability. Ie nutmeg, garlic, sugar and many of the herbs help prevent the growth of harmful bacteria (Many cures for other meats can consist of a coating of straight sugar).That being said, I've already gone so far as to swap out up to 50% of the listed ingredients. Chili would work great! do tell me how that goes as I am keen to try it aswel. Chili may even help the cure. But yea, just be mindful of the possible benefits of some ingredients before removal and if unsure just try some google research.
Flavor wise you will probably notice the primary tastes that come through with the current recipe are the juniper berries (slight gin taste) and the peppercorns. Thyme is definately an important flavor but not dominant. So if you want to make other flavors the first thing to do is cut back on berries. I don't ever remove the pepper because I love it. I'm sure pepper must make up a large portion of my diet. Simply increase the amount of sugar to make it sweet. My friend wanted to to try citrus but I opted not to as I concluded the citric acid would cause the meat to break down and could have drastic health and taste results. I imagine most herbs/roots and spices would work fine elsewise. I had good results from the addition of sauces and pastes, most of which in my case were asian or italian themed. My next step to consider is the addition of large amounts of plant material. eg solid pieces.
Your welcome for the help. I love sharing my interest in the topic.
Jamo-COLLAPSE
We have some wetter times of year when it might not be a good idea to have one of these in the garage, but through our winter months it's pretty dry. We have a "fire" season in January/February when everything is really dry, but nothing like they have in California. And of course I couldn't hang this out there in the summer, it would be too hot!
My garage is attached to the house and totally...+READ
We have some wetter times of year when it might not be a good idea to have one of these in the garage, but through our winter months it's pretty dry. We have a "fire" season in January/February when everything is really dry, but nothing like they have in California. And of course I couldn't hang this out there in the summer, it would be too hot!
My garage is attached to the house and totally enclosed. The garage door is shut & the back door is shut, so there isn't going to be dust blowing through there. I have too much stuff out there to put my car in the garage.
I'll start charting the humidity from our local weather reports. That might help me in the future if this works or doesn't.
I didn't think about this dripping. It's just a little bit and I think the first day or two was the most. I think it's stopped by now. It smells delicious, so all is well for now.
I'm glad I found some one to talk to about this. No one around here even has an idea of what I'm talking about. Only a handful of groceries carry pancetta (and it's very expensive), so most people don't even know what it looks like or tastes like. And I only found one grocery store that could order pork bellies so I could get the meat to work with.
I think I'd like to make one with a lot of chilis in it... My brother would love the heat and it would be a great flavor to add to chili when we make it. Chunks of it fried hard and crispy would be a great topping for Green Chili Stew! Yum.
So if I start another one, what are the essentials of the recipe that are required for the drying and curing, and which ones are there for flavor that I could fool around with? Or should I use them all and then add the additional flavors?
I'm so glad you found my post. This is invaluable information!
Jan-COLLAPSE
Born in Australia but I live in New Zealand now. Lived in the states for two years though.
I think removing the cheese cloth is fine. Though if issues do arise and you use it next time maybe you would need to hang it for longer for drying purposes. I used varying hang times for mine and the results are quite different but none negative. Shorter times made it more like normal streaky bacon but...+READ
Born in Australia but I live in New Zealand now. Lived in the states for two years though.
I think removing the cheese cloth is fine. Though if issues do arise and you use it next time maybe you would need to hang it for longer for drying purposes. I used varying hang times for mine and the results are quite different but none negative. Shorter times made it more like normal streaky bacon but with cure flavors. Longer times resulted in it being alot firmer than average bacon and the fat took on slightly different cooking properties. And obviously the pork flavor itself was more aged. I like the more aged herby flavors while my girlfriend is fonder of the sweeter less aged pancetta.
Feel free to ask for my modifications any time you want. Also after they are made and sliced thinly with a food slicer (or knife) you can add more flavors and store it ^_^. I encourage other people to make some too and post them.
One thing I have heard is very important is humidity control. My grandfather made bacons and salamis and said he lost one or two batches by doing them during the monsoon(wet) season. Your garage and the weather I checked for your local area seem reasonable.
Yea I can imagine pets would find pancetta appealing, I know I do. Sounds like your pancetta should turn out good. Feel free to post your results and thoughts.
You're welcome for the advice.
Jamo-COLLAPSE
Thanks Jamo,
After I slept on it, I decided to take the cheesecloth off. The point of hanging it is to dry it out, so I didn't think the cheesecloth would help that.
Now that it's cooler, there are no flying bugs in the garage, I don't think. I has been warmer than normal a few days this week, but the garage still seems fairly cool when I go check on it.
I'm afraid any locations in my house...+READ
Thanks Jamo,
After I slept on it, I decided to take the cheesecloth off. The point of hanging it is to dry it out, so I didn't think the cheesecloth would help that.
Now that it's cooler, there are no flying bugs in the garage, I don't think. I has been warmer than normal a few days this week, but the garage still seems fairly cool when I go check on it.
I'm afraid any locations in my house will be too warm, also I have 3 cats and 2 dogs, and I can't think of a place to hang it where it wouldn't fascinate them to the point of figuring out how to get to it.
My dad had a darkroom for photography when I was a kid, and I have inherited all his darkroom equipment. I know he had a thermometer in there and I think I have it now. I'll look for it and put it someplace handy so I'll know what the temperature ranges out there.
My mom still lives in the house I grew up in, so if the garage doesn't work so well I can always take it up and hang it in my dad's old darkroom. But if these are as durable as you say, I think it will be fine.
At least I hope so. If it works out, I'll start another one right away so it will be done before Christmas and I'll give a chunk of it and a collection of recipes to family members for Christmas.
I might ask for some of your personal recipes for the next round.
Thanks for the advice.
Can you tell me where you live? I'm thinking Australia?-COLLAPSE
Hey jcristi,
I've made just under a dozen thus far without any failures and I've been a bit playful with some of them so I'll try and offer some advice.
I recommend a thermometer even just for use in the future but in the short term I believe the weather where you are at this time of year is about 10-20 C which is roughly around the ideal range. With the ones I made I didn't panic about the...+READ
Hey jcristi,
I've made just under a dozen thus far without any failures and I've been a bit playful with some of them so I'll try and offer some advice.
I recommend a thermometer even just for use in the future but in the short term I believe the weather where you are at this time of year is about 10-20 C which is roughly around the ideal range. With the ones I made I didn't panic about the temperature unless it was over 20 C. Note that I was using large sea salt crystals as I couldn't procure the right salts. So you have an advantage there. If you are concerned about it being too salty just remember a few things; Larger salt grains will permeate less but still do the job i.e. table salt would make it so salty it would probably be painful to eat, don't add extra salt as a precaution when u go to hang it after the wash because it really wont help much and it'll be real salty and finally it's common practice with homemade bacons to wash/soak them a little right before cooking (Im not a fan as although it does eliminate alot of salt it also loses alot of flavor).
By the sounds of what you said it should work fine. just remember a sweet to savory herb/meaty smell (even though it may seem mildly pungent is good). You will know if it rots as it will smell rancid.
I haven't had any issues with critters but in saying that there aren't too many flying pests I had to deal with. I've hung then in the kitchen, lounge, bedroom basement and all have been fine. The garage may experience greater temp fluctuations and more insects but If you lack anywhere better (or the people you are living with are disgusted by the prospect) I see no reason why it shouldn't work.
Again, I don't think the cheese cloth will have a negative effect but personally I wouldn't bother unless there are lots of bugs and you are very concerned about them. Southern Hams I believe are made in your part of the world and they are wrapped in cheese cloth and are in principle the same concept. The same applies to Prosciutto. Assuming you keep the cloth on maybe you should do a precautionary wipe with vinegar and then just inspect it carefully when you take it down. DW it doesn't harm the taste.
They seem fairly hardy and just take a little TLC and attention.
Any other questions or concerns? Best of luck
Jam0
P.S If people feel like being creative try smoking or use of raw sugar in the recipe - I got good results from both.-COLLAPSE
OK, I just rolled my first pancetta and it's hanging in the garage. I'm not sure if that's the best place for it, but it seems like my bathroom would be too warm. I live in Norman, Oklahoma and it's cooling off here but I don't know what the temp in my garage is. Maybe I should get a thermometer out there?
Also, everyone I told about this was worried about bugs or critters or dust if I just hang...+READ
OK, I just rolled my first pancetta and it's hanging in the garage. I'm not sure if that's the best place for it, but it seems like my bathroom would be too warm. I live in Norman, Oklahoma and it's cooling off here but I don't know what the temp in my garage is. Maybe I should get a thermometer out there?
Also, everyone I told about this was worried about bugs or critters or dust if I just hang it there, so I wrapped it loosely in cheesecloth. But then I read about the mold & wonder if I need to take the cheesecloth off so I can see the meat as it ages.
I followed the recipe exactly, except I couldn't find curing salt around here. I used Tender Quick with only .5% Sodium Nitrate and .5% Sodium Nitrite. The information I found said 1 Tablespoon cures 1 pound of meat. So instead of the small amount of Curing Salt that's called for, I used about 5 Tablespoons of Tender Quick. If it works, it will be more salty, but less carcinogenic with the smaller amounts of nitrites and nitrates.
Any suggestions before this rots & I lose it?
BTW, I 'm making this because pancetta is not readily available around here. I found some at a local grocery store & I got 8 paper thin slices for over $5. Then I went online & found it for $14.99 a pound, but the shipping (which included an ice chest) was $50! That's when I looked for a recipe. After some asking around, a local grocery store got some pork bellies and called me. The materials for this recipe cost about $20. If this is good (and if it's not, I'll try again) I'll have 5 pounds of pancetta for $20.
So if anyone has any suggestions I'm listening.
Thanks-COLLAPSE
I followed the recipe, and came out a winner...albeit a bit moldy:
http://www.sweatyrobot.com/ericmlevy/2008/03/13/food-my-pancetta-is-betta-or-cant-get-rid-of-mold/
Back on Oct 28, 2006 jerryketel wrote:
" I'd love you folks to help us find good quality artisan meats."
I never saw a complete answer to that. Has any one found or created a list of these local artisan meat suppliers? I would like to find local (PNW) sources for lamb, goat, pork, fowl and beef. If you know of a good local source send it to me and I will create a list and post it.
Eat...+READ
Back on Oct 28, 2006 jerryketel wrote:
" I'd love you folks to help us find good quality artisan meats."
I never saw a complete answer to that. Has any one found or created a list of these local artisan meat suppliers? I would like to find local (PNW) sources for lamb, goat, pork, fowl and beef. If you know of a good local source send it to me and I will create a list and post it.
Eat well and prosper,
skipperr-COLLAPSE
I posted elsewhere but there seems to be people with a similar issue here.
The pancetta I produced has developed white patches, primarily on meat surfaces, on the 4th day of hanging. I the conditions are right but air circulation might be a bit low. I didn't use sodium nitrate salt as I am allergic to it. Instead I used extra salt and was very careful and generous with the whole procedure. The...+READ
I posted elsewhere but there seems to be people with a similar issue here.
The pancetta I produced has developed white patches, primarily on meat surfaces, on the 4th day of hanging. I the conditions are right but air circulation might be a bit low. I didn't use sodium nitrate salt as I am allergic to it. Instead I used extra salt and was very careful and generous with the whole procedure. The smell is sweet and similar to the ingredients used in curing. The patches seem firm, taste salty and are pure white in colour.
I have no qualms about eating mold but I would rather not get food poisoning or something.
Cheers,
Jade-COLLAPSE
I'm making my own bacon right now, and pancetta will be next, so thanks for the videos! I met Micheal Ruhlman when he was in town promoting his new book the Elements of Cooking, and had him sign his book Charcuterie for me. He left the following comment on my bacon post and asked me to pass it along:
"btw, i looked at the chow recipe. they say pink salt is the same as saltpeter. this isn't true....+READ
I'm making my own bacon right now, and pancetta will be next, so thanks for the videos! I met Micheal Ruhlman when he was in town promoting his new book the Elements of Cooking, and had him sign his book Charcuterie for me. He left the following comment on my bacon post and asked me to pass it along:
"btw, i looked at the chow recipe. they say pink salt is the same as saltpeter. this isn't true. saltpeter is potassium nitrate. pink salt is sodium nitrite. important difference."-COLLAPSE
Could someone let me know when you post such amazing stories on chowhound! Thanks for the props. For more great charcuterie info check out Professional Charcuterie by John Kinsell and David T. Harvey.
Christine Mullen
CAV wine bar and kitchen
Kosher Version: You can use Veal Breast instead, it will have a similiar look and texture, however, it's still veal and not pork.
I've been trying to work up the nerve to get a pork bely and make rillettes. I made it with rabbit once (exquisite, iidssm), but pork is the real thing. Why don't restaurants offer this great dish?
Hi,
I have mold down the seam of my pancetta. The color of the mold is light green and white. Otherwise it is kind of moist in the interior and smells spectacular.
What should I do? Is this type of mold ok?
Jeff
Is there a way to make this kosher? I love pancetta and would like to pass on the goodness.....but have friends who can't eat pork? Is there a comparable cut of beef that would work in this recipe?
I followed the recipe and here are my results!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/daryck/sets/72157594430857528/
it's a green fuzzy mold on the end. I cut that section away, and the rest is fine. no ingredients were omitted. my rh gauge has been reading between 60 and 70 %.......i think it's gonna be ok....thanks for responding.....b
Burgin, what does the mold look like (white, green, red?) and where is it on your pancetta? Also, is it humid, or damp where you live (has it been raining?) Does it smell foul? (A meaty, cured, slightly tart smell is fine.) Finally, did you omit any ingredients from the cure, such as the juniper or curing salt? I need a little more info. I hope we can salvage your pancetta!!
my pancetta developed a mold while hanging....what do i do? it has about 2 more days to hang....help
It will keep for at least 2 to 3 weeks in the fridge. You can also cut the whole pancetta into chunks, wrap them tightly in plastic wrap, and freeze for up to 4 months or so. (I advise cutting it and freezing, so you can make it last a while.)
So once you have fully cured pancetta in your fridge.. how long does it keep?
Glad you all liked the piece. I agree with Peghead, that eatwild.com is great for sourcing meats from smaller farms. Www.heritagefoodsusa.com is also good, and has an online store. On this topic, stay tuned to Chow.com throughout the week. It's Meat Week, and we have some great articles coming up including one about buying an entire side of beef from a farmer, and another about how small farms...+READ
Glad you all liked the piece. I agree with Peghead, that eatwild.com is great for sourcing meats from smaller farms. Www.heritagefoodsusa.com is also good, and has an online store. On this topic, stay tuned to Chow.com throughout the week. It's Meat Week, and we have some great articles coming up including one about buying an entire side of beef from a farmer, and another about how small farms process their meats.
http://www.chow.com/stories/10178-COLLAPSE
I own the Charcuterie book and it's great. I bought it for the brine information, which is very good, but a tricky process of time, size and strength.
Plus it's a darn good read!
Great article here, thanks!
Regarding the meat source question above: www.eatwild.com should yield a good start. But before that...read The Omnivours' Delema
Great article. But it seems like the other half of this piece is missing, namely, sourcing outstanding meat. Batali in Seattle uses a small farm in Oregon's wine country (Carlton Farms). If you read Heat by Bill Buford, you know that Tuscany's most famous butcher, Dario Cecchini, sources meat from Spain of all places because the chianna are used partly as work animals, imparting a better flavor...+READ
Great article. But it seems like the other half of this piece is missing, namely, sourcing outstanding meat. Batali in Seattle uses a small farm in Oregon's wine country (Carlton Farms). If you read Heat by Bill Buford, you know that Tuscany's most famous butcher, Dario Cecchini, sources meat from Spain of all places because the chianna are used partly as work animals, imparting a better flavor to the meat. Where can we foodies find meat like this? At the moment, most of us are at the mercy of our local butcher. Going online is confusing if you don't know what to look for. I'd love you folks to help us find good quality artisan meats. What do we look for? Who are the best providers? How do we get the artisan meat revolution to the tipping point? Help us out.-COLLAPSE
We'd love to do salami, ngardet. It's a more complex process, but we'd like to offer a project for it someday. In the meantime, check out some of the books listed above. Charcuterie by Michael Ruhlman is a great resource for the home-curer! (And let us know how your pancetta turns out.)
This is one of the best piece I have ever read/watched in a food magazine. Can you make one on salami next?
Thanks for pointing that out. We've made a change. Hope you like the story!
--Jason from Chow
I'm pretty sure that Armandino Batali is not native to Italy.