Fallen Fruit

In a development that’s surprised exactly no one, fruits and vegetables are rotting in fields across the United States after a crackdown on illegal immigration. An excellent and moving story in the Chicago Tribune earlier this month reported that farmers have had trouble getting the crops in, with more labor shortages likely on the way:

[T]he growers are now counting on a string of troubled harvests to persuade Congress to come to agriculture’s rescue, pointing to Michigan, where farmers say they lost 20 percent of their asparagus crop earlier this year because they didn’t have enough workers. Last year Michigan apple growers say they lost up to 15 percent of their crop for the same reason, and they are now anxiously waiting to see if enough farmhands show up for the coming harvest.

It’s estimated that 70 percent of farm workers are illegal immigrants, and farmers are blaming tighter border security for the shortage. The Tribune talks to a 27-year-old who was arrested seven times at the border in the last month before making it across. He saw bodies in the desert of people who died trying. Opponents of immigration reform say that farmers should be using the federal H-2A program, which brings farm workers to the United States legally. But farmers call the program too slow and bureaucratic, and are pushing Congress for reform (i.e., the right to hire undocumented workers).

In New York’s Hudson Valley, where apple trees have had a “vintage” crop this year, the New York Times says that growers are nervous about a new regulation which will hold them responsible for hiring illegal immigrants with fake documents—even if the farmers believed the documents were legitimate. Fewer immigrant workers may mean fewer New York apples, says Peter Gregg, a spokesman for the New York Apple Association:

‘We have three billion apples to pick this fall and every single one of them has to be picked by hand,’ Mr. Gregg said. ‘It’s a very labor-intensive industry, and there is no local labor supply that we can draw from, as much as we try. No one locally really wants to pick apples for six weeks in the fall.’

With immigration reform stalled, the industry is putting more money into mechanization. NPR’s Marketplace reports on the development of fruit-picking robots, or “agrobots.” In theory, the robots will even be able to determine if the fruit’s ripe. Of course, since fruit in orchards is rarely picked ripe, that’s, sadly, an unnecessary feature.

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  • Thanks for the nice words... I was expecting some backlash. In any regards, I think one thing we all avoid talking about but know is that the Anti-Immigrant tide is further exarcebated because the majority are Mexican. If they were Canadians or Europeans... I am sure it wouldn't be so heated.

    The fact is that Mexico & Mexicans have PR problems... cholos, drug trade, shanty border towns etc.,...+READ

    Thanks for the nice words... I was expecting some backlash. In any regards, I think one thing we all avoid talking about but know is that the Anti-Immigrant tide is further exarcebated because the majority are Mexican. If they were Canadians or Europeans... I am sure it wouldn't be so heated.

    The fact is that Mexico & Mexicans have PR problems... cholos, drug trade, shanty border towns etc., Cosmopolitan, educated, well traveled people understand the underlying issues... and don't really "hate" Mexico for its problems... but its the people low on the Maslow level that jump on this... and are easy prey to the xenophobic hawks who like to create the idea that if more Mexicans come into the country then the U.S. will end up just as screwed up as Mexico.

    Unfortunately there are a lot of lies out there... for example... the moron O'Reilley and other Fox News idiots have reported that U.S. jails are full of illegal aliens... with an alleged 270,000 illegals in Federal prisons. Yet if you google the Jail Census report from the Department of Justice website...you will get the governement's report which has less than 90,000 NON CITIZENS.

    Not only is 90,000 less than 270,000 but it INCLUDES Legal Residents in the figure AND Undocumented People awaiting deportation and not necessarily convicted of any other crime.

    The numbers actually come from the Center for Immigration Studies which includes Citizens that possibly descend from someone who came here illegally. So if someone is 3rd generation Mexican who happened to grow up in the inner city and got sucked into to the gangs... they count as part of the Illegals are a bunch of criminals shocking up the prisons according to the "unbiased" Center for Immigration Studies. Unbelieveable!-COLLAPSE

  • Eat Nopal, you are my hero. Reading community home pages of a local newspaper here makes my blood boil when the subject of immigration comes up- or even when it doesn't have anything to do with immigration- somebody in a long thread will find a way to blame illegal immigrants SOMEHOW for any problem that's happening in America.

    And Seth Chadwick, when you wrote
    "Oh, many claim they are...+READ

    Eat Nopal, you are my hero. Reading community home pages of a local newspaper here makes my blood boil when the subject of immigration comes up- or even when it doesn't have anything to do with immigration- somebody in a long thread will find a way to blame illegal immigrants SOMEHOW for any problem that's happening in America.

    And Seth Chadwick, when you wrote
    "Oh, many claim they are willing to pay the higher prices to supposed keep American "safe" (whatever that means in the immigration context), but these are the same people I know that always vote against any bonding issue on the ballot because it will set them back a whopping $9.00 over the course of a calendar year."
    you hit THAT right on the head. Somebody ought to propose a half-cent sales tax to "secure our borders" (right- whatever that means re immigration) and you'll hear an outraged bellowing that drowns out the original anti-immigrant outraged bellowing.-COLLAPSE

  • Eat Nopal did a great job of putting into perspective something that is too often relegated to brief, overheated outbursts. The US economy relies on immigrant labor, and sealing the boarders, etc is just a symbolic, antiproductive measure.

  • The OP cited the case of Michigan asparagus not being picked due to lack of workers. Well, Michigan pretty much has the worst unemployment numbers in this country. We have a lot of unemployed manufacturing workers who are accustomed to physically gruelling labor. If the wages and working conditions were satisfactory, those jobs would not be unfilled.

    So what do we do to make those jobs...+READ

    The OP cited the case of Michigan asparagus not being picked due to lack of workers. Well, Michigan pretty much has the worst unemployment numbers in this country. We have a lot of unemployed manufacturing workers who are accustomed to physically gruelling labor. If the wages and working conditions were satisfactory, those jobs would not be unfilled.

    So what do we do to make those jobs appealling to the available workforce? Pay more, and treat the workers like human beings instead of commodities? What a concept...but as we've all figured out, it would come at a higher cost to consumers that apparently they/we aren't willing to pay.

    And, Will Owen, LOL at the comment about supermarket fruit!-COLLAPSE

  • An op-ed writer in yesterday's LA Times, writing on this subject, mentioned that some large growers were experimenting with new robot pickers. It was asserted that some of these robots are supposed to be able to tell ripe from unripe fruit, to which her comment was that, given the state of most supermarket fruit, such a capability is more or less irrelevant.

  • Ah this is Eat_Nopal territory (as a former illegal immigrant with an undergrad in International Buisiness & Finance; and an MBA... I feel somewhat qualified to make a few points):

    > America cannot compete in the 21st Century without having large influxes of people from other countries. All of you & me... make a good living that is in part financed by Selling Products & Services... and...+READ

    Ah this is Eat_Nopal territory (as a former illegal immigrant with an undergrad in International Buisiness & Finance; and an MBA... I feel somewhat qualified to make a few points):

    > America cannot compete in the 21st Century without having large influxes of people from other countries. All of you & me... make a good living that is in part financed by Selling Products & Services... and Investing in other countries. If the U.S. doesn't export its Information Intensive competencies.... all of us are going to take a hit in quality of life.

    > Simply put... this is no longer the 1950's the economies of Europe & Japan have rebuilt in they are serious competitors in high value added products from Cars to Airplanes to Software. Back in the 1950's the U.S. was the only game in town... and the wealthy middle class was BUILT by filling that void... and this is no longer the case. Further... its not just the 1st World countries... the Developing giants... China, India, Brazil, Indonesia, Malaysia & Mexico... are very competitive in certain industries... this all cuts in to U.S. traditional industries (like Building Materials, Car Manufacturing etc.,) so to maintain the Middle Class living standards we have come to expect, demand & feel entitled to... a number of things need to happen:

    > The U.S. needs to maintain its technological, marketing & entertainment edge.

    > The U.S. needs to constantly reinvent itself because other countries like Japan & China do a great job of copying U.S. technologies and either doing stuff better (Japan) or cheaper (China)

    > The reality is that globalization (which can't be stopped) is making a relatively small percentage of Americans increasingly wealthier while Middle Class incomes have remained stagnat for 3 decades now.

    However... Middle Clas Americans have not felt the pinch as bad as it could have been for several reasons:

    > The influx of cheap Chinese products has lowered the cost of many products... easing the impact on our disposable income... and from a macroeconomic perspective it has undermined inflation concerns... and allowing the stock market grow to unbelievable Price to Earning valuations (And more Middle Class Americans have stock investments than ever before).

    > Its not just Chinese products itself the Illegal Immigrants who come in & help keep prices low. I live in an area that has much lower illegal immigrants than in L.A. and boy are things expensive here. ($20 for a plain haircut, $90 / hr for plumbing etc.,)

    > Another thing that immigrants do is take jobs that don't require an advanced education forcing the natives to get college degrees... this in turn churns out a large number of educated people to feed the advanced industries we need to maintain the country's edge. Simply put the H.S. graduation rate today is about 80%.. in the 1950's it was less than 50%. 25% of working Americans have a Bachelor's degree... in the 1950's it was less than 5%. Even unskilled Immigrants are key in pushing the education rate.

    > The real problem in the U.S. is coming in the future as China & India are now mass producing Engineers & PHDs at unbelievable rates... and we are at a real risk to losing the technology edge within 50 years.

    > For those dumb, ignorant people that don't want more immigrants... you have to laugh at some of their arguments:

    >> They say they would gladly pay a little more for their fruits & vegetables. Yeah assuming they can find someone that is willing to pick them.... the increase in price has a snowball effect. Your hairstylist feels the pinch & increases prices... and the IT Analyst then wants a greater salary... and it all leads to inflation (anyone remember the 1970's?)

    > Further.... the U.S. is starting to feel the pinch of an insufficient birthrate... anybody remember the coming Social Security crisis? It could easily be fixed by allowing more legal immigrants... in such a way that would smooth out the U.S. Age Distribution problem (too many aging people not enough work age people).


    Finally... I know from personal experience that no one wants to come here illegally... its risky, stressful & you are treated 3rd class. People would come legally if the country had a mechanism to legally bring in the ACTUAL number of people needed to maintain the economy going (Note, that even with 12 Million Undocumented Workers in the Country.... we are close to Historically Low Unemployment Rates... and much lower than the 5% Unemployment Rate that U.S. Economics typically considered 0 Unemployment).-COLLAPSE

  • Ruth summed it up perfectly.
    This is a critical issue and the new legislation seems like something that will only further damage the economy. It isn't a solution, more of a political maneuver. it's short-sighted, which is no surprise for this administration.

    There was good crop lost last year due to the crackdown, this year it'll be worse. threatening growers with big fines and creating a...+READ

    Ruth summed it up perfectly.
    This is a critical issue and the new legislation seems like something that will only further damage the economy. It isn't a solution, more of a political maneuver. it's short-sighted, which is no surprise for this administration.

    There was good crop lost last year due to the crackdown, this year it'll be worse. threatening growers with big fines and creating a short labor pool is a bad combination, especially for small independant growers, driving the advantage to big ag.
    picking can't always be automated by robots, and quality will suffer in many cases. the unemployed in this country aren't likely to fill in for the missing illegal workers. I hope somebody comes up with a real alternative soon.-COLLAPSE

  • In the immigration debate, I have been more than happy to encourage my acquaintances to go full force with their efforts to "seal the boarders" and "round them up and send them back to Mexico."

    I then remind them that doing so will me that your $1.99 head of Romaine will be $5.99 a head when they have to hire American citizens and permanent resident based on the competitive market of labor. You...+READ

    In the immigration debate, I have been more than happy to encourage my acquaintances to go full force with their efforts to "seal the boarders" and "round them up and send them back to Mexico."

    I then remind them that doing so will me that your $1.99 head of Romaine will be $5.99 a head when they have to hire American citizens and permanent resident based on the competitive market of labor. You simply cannot sustain inexpensive food prices when you have to pay laborers $10/hr.

    Oh, many claim they are willing to pay the higher prices to supposed keep American "safe" (whatever that means in the immigration context), but these are the same people I know that always vote against any bonding issue on the ballot because it will set them back a whopping $9.00 over the course of a calendar year.-COLLAPSE

  • Back when I grew up (and wheels were square...or so I thought) high school students could pick fruit in the summer and make a few bucks, even a few friends...but the government cringes when it sees a teenager earning money by the "sweat of their brow" and so it became a no-no to hire one. SO....the farmer turned to anyone who would pick fruit and low and behold, someone who could earn more money...+READ

    Back when I grew up (and wheels were square...or so I thought) high school students could pick fruit in the summer and make a few bucks, even a few friends...but the government cringes when it sees a teenager earning money by the "sweat of their brow" and so it became a no-no to hire one. SO....the farmer turned to anyone who would pick fruit and low and behold, someone who could earn more money here then in their native land was willing to come and do it so a citizen of this country wouldn't have to get their hands dirty, and certainly wouldn't get rich if they did. When was the last time you saw one of your suburban adult neighbors putting on their grungies to go and pick fruit/veggies on a farm? I'm guessing never as I live surrounded by orchards and only see the owners and two (at best) Hispanic men picking ACRES of apricots, then peaches and now plums for drying. They have had a hard time finding "legal" help for years to pick fruit, so most of it ends up on the ground, rotting....and now, fermenting in the heat.
    My feeling is that alot of Americans want things handed to them as cheaply as possible while they earn enormous money for their jobs.....well, you can't have it both ways, it simply will burn itself out and it is, at the expense of the farmer. Honestly, I think it boils down to this: alot people have only a fairytale idea (at best) of where their food comes from and until they realise it, things will not get better.
    Years ago, my then four year old went with me to a big warehouse store to buy the groceries that we couldn't grow ourselves. Being the youngest of three, he was given the daily chore of gathering the eggs...hence, fighting off the rooster everday! So he had a good idea of where his food came from. We were passing the big opening that would take you back to the stored food items (employees only) and next to that were HUNDREDS of eggs in their cartons. He stopped and looked simply awestruck at it all. Then he walked over to the opening of the storage area and proceeded to peek inside. I asked him what he was doing and he said, "Mama, did you see all the eggs? They must have ALOT of chickens!!!" We laugh to this day, but TO this day, he as well as his siblings have an understanding about fresh, sesonal foods and what it takes to get it to market. I feel that is the key to changing peoples ideas of our food system. And yes, I have helped the neighbor pick fruit so he could make his tiny profit from it and simply took payment of a fresh, ripe peice of fruit and savured it, probably more gratefully.-COLLAPSE

  • "Of course, if people would stop complaining about how much food costs, when in fact Americans pay a smaller proportion of their income for food than any other developed country, then maybe more Americans would be interested in working on farms."

    Ruth, you are spot on with this comment. We've elevated "cheap" to be the only consideration when we make our purchase decisions. Not only in food,...+READ

    "Of course, if people would stop complaining about how much food costs, when in fact Americans pay a smaller proportion of their income for food than any other developed country, then maybe more Americans would be interested in working on farms."

    Ruth, you are spot on with this comment. We've elevated "cheap" to be the only consideration when we make our purchase decisions. Not only in food, but look at what's happened to locally owned stores of all descriptions when Best Buy or Mall Wart comes to town. We happily drive the store out of business that sponsored our kid's sports teams for eons so that we can save a couple of bucks. We skip the "expensive" farmers market to buy produce shipped across the country because it's cheaper for the mega store to buy it that way. Never mind that it doesn't taste 1/10th as good or in fact is probably not as nutritious.

    As Buddha said, "be the change you want to see in the world". If we want to have only legal aliens or American citizens working on farms, WE need to be willing to fork over the money it will take to pay them enough to do the job. Perhaps farmers who pay their legal workers fairly should use that as a marketing strategy.-COLLAPSE

  • Will Owen, why are you arguing with someone who can't spell "illigal [sic] imigrants [sic]" and who can't even make a coherent argument (how do you save *labor* using illegal immigrants)?

    Giving Chefbuck the dubious courtesy of inferring that he meant "money," his statement is simply ridiculous. There aren't enough American-born workers willing to do field work, especially not making a...+READ

    Will Owen, why are you arguing with someone who can't spell "illigal [sic] imigrants [sic]" and who can't even make a coherent argument (how do you save *labor* using illegal immigrants)?

    Giving Chefbuck the dubious courtesy of inferring that he meant "money," his statement is simply ridiculous. There aren't enough American-born workers willing to do field work, especially not making a lifestyle out of moving around the country following seasonal crops and harvests, and American consumers won't pay what produce would cost if farmers had to pay the wages necessary to lure more American workers into the fields.

    Of course, if people would stop complaining about how much food costs, when in fact Americans pay a smaller proportion of their income for food than any other developed country, then maybe more Americans would be interested in working on farms.-COLLAPSE

  • Sorry, Chefbuck, that's exactly the kind of simplistic tub-thumping that has blown a minor problem into a raging debate, with much more heat than light being generated. As soon as the perfectly sensible proposal was made to find a way to legalize the illegal and get the crops planted and picked at the same time, the xenophobes started yelling "AMNESTY!" as though that were a bad thing...I have a...+READ

    Sorry, Chefbuck, that's exactly the kind of simplistic tub-thumping that has blown a minor problem into a raging debate, with much more heat than light being generated. As soon as the perfectly sensible proposal was made to find a way to legalize the illegal and get the crops planted and picked at the same time, the xenophobes started yelling "AMNESTY!" as though that were a bad thing...I have a hard enough time accepting that George Bush could actually propose something smart, let alone read some of the "lazy dirty Mexicans" cybercrap that's being sent by people I thought I knew.-COLLAPSE

  • They should not have used illigal imigrants to begin with. They are saving labor using the imigrants.