
Slow Food USA, the nonprofit organization that has championed sustainable and organic foods since 2000, is in trouble. Many of its longtime core supporters have defected. This fall, Slow Food’s Brooklyn headquarters laid off 5 staffers (there are now 12, down from 19 earlier this year). Its most prominent members—famous cookbook authors, chefs, and leaders in the food movement—are embroiled in a bitter squabble stoked by angry emails, hurt feelings, accusations. According to one report, Alice Waters broke down in tears.
The controversy, not surprisingly, is around money: specifically, how much money people should pay for food. For years, Slow Food’s mission statement leaned heavily on the idea that Americans should spend more of their income on sustainably raised food from farmers’ markets and artisanal producers, rather than looking for deals on cheap, nonorganic, mass-produced stuff. Recently, however, Slow Food USA changed its tune to appeal to younger and less affluent potential members. In August, the organization announced its “$5 Challenge,” in which people were asked to sign a pledge to cook a slow-food meal for not much more than the cost of a McDonald’s Extra Value Meal. To some, it was heresy.
“We had spent all these years trying to make sure that the farmers were championed and other food producers were paid a fair wage for what they brought to our tables,” says Poppy Tooker, who founded Slow Food’s New Orleans chapter in 1999, even before Slow Food USA formally existed. “The $5 Challenge put a hole in that.”
Tooker has since defected from Slow Food, and New Orleans no longer has a chapter. She’s not the only one who’s bailed. Gary Nabhan, a research scientist at the University of Arizona, author, and founder of the Slow Food chapter in Flagstaff, Arizona, has also essentially abandoned the organization. Other prominent members, like cookbook author Deborah Madison, are speaking out against the new direction.
No More Preachin' to the Choir
Josh Viertel, Slow Food USA's young president (and an honoree in the CHOW 13 from 2009), is the leader behind the new changes. He says the organization is trying to make sustainable agriculture a populist, rather than an elitist, movement. He's proud of focusing the organization on what he calls “food justice”: vegetable gardens in public schools, Farm Bill education, and “Eat-Ins” (national potlucks meant to build community around food).
“People who can spend more on food absolutely should,” Viertel says, “but a lot of people can’t.” He calls the notion of telling poor people to spend more on food “insulting.”
But by burying the old charges of elitism, ironically, Slow Food may have killed the goose that laid the golden egg. Although Viertel has dramatically increased membership since he came on board three years ago, grants and gifts from wealthy donors, which make up approximately half of the organization’s budget, have dropped severely. So severely, in fact, that the Ark of Taste, Slow Food’s effort to save endangered foods like the Buckeye chicken—once the organization’s marquee program—is now beached. Though some of the decline in gifts can be attributed to the recession (and Viertel denies that Slow Food ever attracted superrich donors in the first place), the loss of respected members like Tooker and Nabhan, public personalities with well-heeled constituents, surely hasn’t helped.
“As I travel, many (formerly) passionate supporters of Slow Food USA have felt insulted or ignored,” wrote Gary Nabhan in an angry email to two members of Slow Food’s board of directors in November.
And anyway, the so-called populism of cheap food strikes some critics as hypocritical. Aren’t farmers part of the 99 percent, too?
“It’s such a weird idea that food justice is only about getting cheaper food to low-income consumers,” Nabhan says. “Is it elitist to support farmers? The production costs of farmers in drought-stricken areas has gone up 20 to 30 percent in this last year alone. At the same time, Slow is saying we should all eat $5 meals.” If farmers have a terrible year, Nabhan argues, consumers should be willing to pay more, not less.
Marketing Kale to the Masses
The tussle over Slow Food’s mission statement is more than just a catfight within a relatively small nonprofit (it has 25,000 dues-paying members). It’s indicative of the greater conundrum of how to market sustainable food to a mass audience during tough times—or, let’s face it, during any times.
Organic is the fastest-growing segment of U.S. agriculture, but still represents only a small portion of the foods bought and eaten in this country. Commodity foods are almost always going to be cheaper than local and organic. Telling people to budget more wisely in order to afford organic food isn’t a sexy message. And it can quickly veer into classist—even borderline racist—territory, as Alice Waters’s infamous 60 Minutes interview from 2009 made clear.
"We make decisions every day about what we're going to eat,” Waters told Lesley Stahl, who questioned Americans’ willingness to shell out for $4-a-pound organic grapes. “And some people want to buy Nike shoes—two pairs—and other people want to eat Bronx grapes, and nourish themselves. I pay a little extra, but this is what I want to do."
Telling people to buy local and organic foods because they taste better, a line of reasoning that was once central to Slow Food’s mission, hasn’t exactly convinced most Americans, either.
And so now, Slow Food has simply adopted the tactics of mainstream food mass marketers: People are always looking for a deal. However, this particular deal isn’t what most Americans are looking for. In order to make a $5 meal that follows even most of, say, Michael Pollan’s food rules, you’re looking at greens, beans, and grains, and this month, maybe winter squash, which you'll then have to cook. And after all that, would there be many Americans who'd find it even half as tasty as a Value Meal?
Once you start competing with industrialized food on the basis of cost, disaffected Slow Food members no doubt would say, you've sort of yielded the fight.
Image source: Snail photo from Shutterstock
Am I missing something? As a food-conscious person placing a high emphasis on local and organic in NH (where farming is particularly difficult and the cost of living is high), it's relatively easy to make most of my meals for $5. I spend about $70/week for groceries for two people through my food co-op (lots of local options there), a CSA share, farmer's markets, and farm stands. We also enjoy...+READ
Am I missing something? As a food-conscious person placing a high emphasis on local and organic in NH (where farming is particularly difficult and the cost of living is high), it's relatively easy to make most of my meals for $5. I spend about $70/week for groceries for two people through my food co-op (lots of local options there), a CSA share, farmer's markets, and farm stands. We also enjoy wild-caught fish and game. Sure, I may splurge on an expensive cut of meat, specialty produce, and local wine now and then, but this is still a lot cheaper than packaged food and eating out. We eat well. Why can't Slow Food also be affordable?-COLLAPSE
Actually Poppy I can fact check Josh, as a member of the Board of Directors and thus one of Josh's bosses. The pay-what-you-will campaign doubled our membership, and the average gift was just shy of $35. Despite your doubts, Slow Food remains strong and vital. Allowing for the recession that has affected all 501c3's, we continue to do well on the fundraising scale as well (though of course we can...+READ
Actually Poppy I can fact check Josh, as a member of the Board of Directors and thus one of Josh's bosses. The pay-what-you-will campaign doubled our membership, and the average gift was just shy of $35. Despite your doubts, Slow Food remains strong and vital. Allowing for the recession that has affected all 501c3's, we continue to do well on the fundraising scale as well (though of course we can and will do better).
The 10 points are great, and I (and we) agree with most of them. In fact we're already doing many of them. While no organization is perfect, and we've made our mistakes, there remain far more things that unite us than divide us, and I hope that those who long for improvement for Slow Food USA will work for it from within rather than sniping from outside.-COLLAPSE
...And there is one issue which I have not yet seen raised - and that is: if all of our munipalities got their heads together to compost (the majority of what ends up in landfills is actually matter that can be turned into compost by an industrial composter) - then organic fertilizer would become cheaper, making organic farming thus less expensive and voila! more obtainable for the masses. It...+READ
...And there is one issue which I have not yet seen raised - and that is: if all of our munipalities got their heads together to compost (the majority of what ends up in landfills is actually matter that can be turned into compost by an industrial composter) - then organic fertilizer would become cheaper, making organic farming thus less expensive and voila! more obtainable for the masses. It would also reduce methane (a greenhouse gas) in our landfills, as an added bonus. I myself am lucky enough to live in San Francisco, where composting is an easy choice - but hey, if we can do it, so can you, if you put your collective minds to the task. And when organic becomes easier and cheaper to do...(and especially if our government would get their heads out of their nether-regions and subsidise healthy food rather than high-fructose corn syrup and other unhealthy junk) - then organic can become the default option. I do not see these two missions as being incompatible: inexpensive food does not have to be unhealthy!-COLLAPSE
Okay, I am going to raise my hand as one person (but I can't be alone, can I?) who would find a meal of whole grain pasta, with Lacinato Kale, butternut squash and garbanzo beans WAY the hell more tasty than a Value Meal! Am I really alone in preferring real food to chemical corporate slop made from the byproducts of other industrial processes? Am I the only one who does not watch TV commercials...+READ
Okay, I am going to raise my hand as one person (but I can't be alone, can I?) who would find a meal of whole grain pasta, with Lacinato Kale, butternut squash and garbanzo beans WAY the hell more tasty than a Value Meal! Am I really alone in preferring real food to chemical corporate slop made from the byproducts of other industrial processes? Am I the only one who does not watch TV commercials for chemically-enhanced, mass-produced garbage and think, "Yum!" I can't be the only person that wants to eat real food - (and who doesn't actually spend a fortune on it, by the way...)-COLLAPSE
Sadly, the only Slow Food USA person who could fact check Josh Viertel's remarks was Josh himself. More members than ever? When in desperation he twice ran the "Pay Anything For A Membership" campaign - many paid $1. Often in life, you get what you pay for. For REAL clarity on the topic of food justice, please read Gary Nabhan's Edible Communities editorial, "Affordable Food for the Poor vs...+READ
Sadly, the only Slow Food USA person who could fact check Josh Viertel's remarks was Josh himself. More members than ever? When in desperation he twice ran the "Pay Anything For A Membership" campaign - many paid $1. Often in life, you get what you pay for. For REAL clarity on the topic of food justice, please read Gary Nabhan's Edible Communities editorial, "Affordable Food for the Poor vs Justice for Disaster Stricken Farmers." http://www.ediblecommunities.com/content/?option=com_wordpress&Itemid=200078&lang=en&p=1042-COLLAPSE
Not that I'm a PETA person, but that image of the speared snail is pretty tasteless (no pun intended).
Brings me back to childhood. Mom had her garden and her chicken lady. I remember the trip to the chicken lady vividly. We got our free range eggs and Mom picked out several chickens that looked good to her. Sadie grabbed them by the neck - wring, wring, hang them up to bleed. Side of beef from local farmer for the freezer. Garden in back yard. Canning, freezing. Our family was set for winter. Oh,...+READ
Brings me back to childhood. Mom had her garden and her chicken lady. I remember the trip to the chicken lady vividly. We got our free range eggs and Mom picked out several chickens that looked good to her. Sadie grabbed them by the neck - wring, wring, hang them up to bleed. Side of beef from local farmer for the freezer. Garden in back yard. Canning, freezing. Our family was set for winter. Oh, yeah, I miss it. Bring Slow Food Movement on. I shop the farmers markets, still get free range eggs. Poultry and meat are a harder find her but try.-COLLAPSE
I am an organic vegetable farmer in central NY and have been a Slow Food member for many years. My interpretation of the premiss of the $5.00 meal, was that one could eat a good, healthy, locally grown, delicious meal for $5.00, not that they had too. That one needn't succumb to a fast food meal, which the price is actually far more when factoring in the associated diseases from eating food that...+READ
I am an organic vegetable farmer in central NY and have been a Slow Food member for many years. My interpretation of the premiss of the $5.00 meal, was that one could eat a good, healthy, locally grown, delicious meal for $5.00, not that they had too. That one needn't succumb to a fast food meal, which the price is actually far more when factoring in the associated diseases from eating food that unhealthy. Slow foods mission, I believe, has been to encourage people to eat good, clean, fair, food, to cook again, to know ingredients--One can make a fantastic meal with $5.00 or $150 dollars. With only 7% of American's income going to food; people are spending money on junk; possessions, entertainment--T.V. time.
Education; taking back the joy of cooking, eating slowly, with family and friends, supporting healthy food production and food varieties are what an organization like Slow Food is about. These things are doable for people with $5.00 or $500.00 to spend on a meal.-COLLAPSE
I am not a member of the Slow Food movement and honestly, I know very little about it as an organisation with Chapters and hierarchy.
I am just a regular person who works and pays bills, and to my ears, whenever I hear people saying we should all shop at farmer's markets and buy our food locally, and strictly organic to boot, I dismiss it, to be honest.
It is simply not practical for the...+READ
I am not a member of the Slow Food movement and honestly, I know very little about it as an organisation with Chapters and hierarchy.
I am just a regular person who works and pays bills, and to my ears, whenever I hear people saying we should all shop at farmer's markets and buy our food locally, and strictly organic to boot, I dismiss it, to be honest.
It is simply not practical for the vast majority of Americans to do that.
I cook most of my meals at home for a number of reasons, but cost is a huge factor for me and every person I know. I cannot afford to shop at Whole Foods, and since we have very cold weather for about 5 months of the year, the Farmer's Markets are longg closed.
Incidently, at least where I live, there is a significant amount of food at the Farmer's Markets that do NOT come from the farm the vendor lives on. They purchase from either other farmers, or from the whole salers, very often.
I, frankly, do not have time to worry about the farmers or other "food social justice issues" which I had never even heard of, until I read it here.
For most of us "regular people" who shop in supermarkets, rely on coupons and do not want to get most of our protein from beans, the Slow Food movement is perceived as a fad, or a "hipster" lifestyle choice. No different than micro-brews, fancy food trucks, or gourmet hamburgers.
I have no doubt that the intentions of the Slow Food movement are noble and sincere! But they are by-and-large irrelevant to the average joe.
I am sorry that people who are dedicated to this issue are experiencing disillusionment and discord, but I can safely assure you that it was not this $5 Challenge that turned regular people off.
More than likely, for most of Middle America it simply did not register on the radar.-COLLAPSE
I am glad to see slow food move in this direction. If I had the means and availability, I would fully support community farming as my food source. It just doesn't exist here in a rural small town. The farmer's market sells lots of corn for cheap in the summer, but there is no way I could eat corn 24/7. There is not much selections. Maybe some melons or onions, but that is about all. Unlike those...+READ
I am glad to see slow food move in this direction. If I had the means and availability, I would fully support community farming as my food source. It just doesn't exist here in a rural small town. The farmer's market sells lots of corn for cheap in the summer, but there is no way I could eat corn 24/7. There is not much selections. Maybe some melons or onions, but that is about all. Unlike those who live in more affluent or populated areas, the farmers just don't gather here with their food - maybe they are bringing it to you city folks. There is an amazing source of grass fed local pork, but it costs almost double what the grocery sells it for. At my low income, I can't buy it. I wish I could - truly I do. For me, slow food is making it myself. No matter where I bought it, it is raw ingredients made into delicious inexpensive food. No boxes or mixes or fast food joints. We all do the best we can with what we have and shouldn't be made to feel guilty about the sources we use.-COLLAPSE
I'm a chapter leader, and have about 7 years of being a leader, formerly in NYC now in Wisconsin. I definitely agree with the principle espoused by Alice Waters (among others) of spending more for food, and I live this way myself. I don't really see how the $5 challenge was in conflict with that... my friends and I shopped exclusively at the farmers market and made a 4-course lunch for $3.80/per....+READ
I'm a chapter leader, and have about 7 years of being a leader, formerly in NYC now in Wisconsin. I definitely agree with the principle espoused by Alice Waters (among others) of spending more for food, and I live this way myself. I don't really see how the $5 challenge was in conflict with that... my friends and I shopped exclusively at the farmers market and made a 4-course lunch for $3.80/per. Our food was local, fresh, mostly organic, and bought *literally* directly from farmers. We even had meat.
I read the "challenge" as basically choosing to cook over choosing to outsource that task to big conglomerates. We all know that you can't get a good meal "out" for $5, but there are bad meals out for that price. The message that me and my team and my chapter pushed was "if you do it at home, it's better and still inexpensive". What could be wrong with this idea?
It's reaching to read it as "'slow food' should compete pricewise with factory farmed foods"... that's simply not the case. It's a fundamental misinterpretation of the project -- which may indeed be SFUSA's fault for not making more clear. It was neither said nor, in my opinion, implied. Slow food DOES compete price-wise with "fast food"... and favorably so. In my world, this is simply a fact, and I am comfortable with this message, and I believe it to be the point of the exercise.
Look, price is an issue for regular folks and all eaters. Always has been, always will be. I agree that we as Americans should spend double or triple our collective budget to get slower food; as I said, I preach this, and I practice it too. Price is the most common "yeah, but..." that we get -- the most common push-back. I think that the $5 challenge is an effective argument to make in support of the case for good clean and fair food, against the essentially red-herring argument of "yeah, but it's too expensive". I do NOT see the $5 challenge as retreating on the issue of price, I see it as removing the straw-man.
And I should point out that the original idea is from my city, too... the campus chapter here at UW does a Slow Food meal every Monday night for 100 people at $5/each... sourced at farmers' markets and cooked by volunteers: college students and guests can have a slow "home-cooked" meal every week, and get a little evangelism thrown in too. I'm proud of this program, and SFUSA took it as the inspiration for the $5 challenge.
In short: I don't get what the kerfuffle is. Slow food does not *have* to be expensive, even if all food in general should cost more. Beans and rice in the right hands beats a steak in the wrong hands. And those beans and rice can be local, direct, heritage, organic, and any other buzzword you'd like to apply. Nobody said that a Slow steak should compete with agribusiness steak.
(Though, am disturbed by the Ark issue and am worried about the focus on social-justice issues -- guilt is a bad way to sell Slow Food, pleasure is better than guilt).-COLLAPSE
Doug, I still think you're missing the point now. It's not about the challenge. It's about the new trend in the slow food movement to say that 'slow food' should compete pricewise with factory farmed foods. T
For one, that notion is antithetical to the movement itself when one considers what actually makes factory farmed foods cheap (answer: all the practices that the slow food movement...+READ
Doug, I still think you're missing the point now. It's not about the challenge. It's about the new trend in the slow food movement to say that 'slow food' should compete pricewise with factory farmed foods. T
For one, that notion is antithetical to the movement itself when one considers what actually makes factory farmed foods cheap (answer: all the practices that the slow food movement abhors)
For another, the Slow Food movement is currently shitting where it eats when its management demands lower prices, because that financially hurts the producers of said foods. It has been these food producers who were really in the trenches driving the movement all along. Don't demand they take a pay cut - they're not paid well in the first place.
Of course, we could debate whether the $5 food challenge was really a big enough deal to ignite this longstanding rift. But frankly, that's not very interesting to me. When a large part of the movement is convinced that slow food can and should be as cheap as the alternative and good economic logic cannot convince them otherwise, a rift was bound to open sooner or later.-COLLAPSE
More sympomatic is the SFUSA HQ team's consistent inability and repeated unwillingness to address problems brought to its attention from its own chapters. When a left curve is announced without prior testing or even warning, the possibility of failure or unwanted results looms large... not unlike gambling.
Until there are size-appropriate and affordable infrastructures in place for small-to-middle agriculture in terms of regulations and distribution, as well as a sea-change in federal ag. subsidies, this particular schism between populist v elitist seems premature, reactionary. We don't have truly local food systems yet. This is up to all of us to change and create, inclusively.
Shouldn't the government subsidies for industrial farming and the lack of same for small farmers be a part of this discussion?
When did Slow Food focus on "food justice" ? The local affiliate in my area did not receive the memo. There idea of food justice is $300 pig roasts and dining clubs at Michelin rated restaurants. AdrianaV, Slow Food seeks to serve poor communities? I for one do not think ghettos need more baby boomer Peace Corp activists with too much money and time on their hands teaching them how eat. There are...+READ
When did Slow Food focus on "food justice" ? The local affiliate in my area did not receive the memo. There idea of food justice is $300 pig roasts and dining clubs at Michelin rated restaurants. AdrianaV, Slow Food seeks to serve poor communities? I for one do not think ghettos need more baby boomer Peace Corp activists with too much money and time on their hands teaching them how eat. There are wonderful organizations doing local food justice and Slow Food should not seek to co-op their work. Leave food justice to those who face actual injustice.-COLLAPSE
See what Chowhounds are saying about the controversy:
http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/823403
Where Slow Food has really failed is focusing on the margins: the very poor and the very rich. Half the events in my area seem to be focused on food justice low-income consumers and half of them seem to be $200-a-person 5-course fancy dinners. That's too bad, because the margins are not the real source of growth. It's important to get people on food stamps to eat better, but this is going to...+READ
Where Slow Food has really failed is focusing on the margins: the very poor and the very rich. Half the events in my area seem to be focused on food justice low-income consumers and half of them seem to be $200-a-person 5-course fancy dinners. That's too bad, because the margins are not the real source of growth. It's important to get people on food stamps to eat better, but this is going to require major structural changes. We need more focus on middle-income consumers, who usually already have the disposable income and time for good food, but are still eating at McDonalds. That's why Chipotle has been so successful, because it is expensive, but not so expensive that it alienates people.-COLLAPSE
This is a critical moment for the food movement. Sustainable food champions could no longer ignore the elitism problem -- and I think the new direction toward food justice was a bold and important move for Slow Food. It's inevitable that the organization will change over time & adapt to an American constituency. Is it mission creep? Will we ever be able to effectively connect sustainability,...+READ
This is a critical moment for the food movement. Sustainable food champions could no longer ignore the elitism problem -- and I think the new direction toward food justice was a bold and important move for Slow Food. It's inevitable that the organization will change over time & adapt to an American constituency. Is it mission creep? Will we ever be able to effectively connect sustainability, diversity, and social justice together? I don't know, but I'd rather see Slow Food go through these growing pains than watch it fossilize into something inflexible and unresponsive to current events. I think the key to moving forward is forging new, authentic relationships with the communities it seeks to serve -- and empowering the ideas that come from those communities.-COLLAPSE
It sounds to me like Slow Food is trying to acknowledge some economic realities here, and quite frankly I don't understand the reaction coming from its base. The $5 challenge was just that -- a challenge. It's not a regime change or a shift in core values, just a broadening of them. The movement has trapped itself with its own ideology by considering anything low-cost to be "slumming it." As...+READ
It sounds to me like Slow Food is trying to acknowledge some economic realities here, and quite frankly I don't understand the reaction coming from its base. The $5 challenge was just that -- a challenge. It's not a regime change or a shift in core values, just a broadening of them. The movement has trapped itself with its own ideology by considering anything low-cost to be "slumming it." As someone who makes below $40k per year yet values local, seasonal, sustainable food, I really appreciate any efforts that show me how to eat these sorts of foods without breaking the bank.-COLLAPSE
Cowboy, I really don't think am missing the point. Again, this was a "challenge" for one meal. ONE!
The per lb price of things like pork shoulder, carrots, onions, etc. is not so much that you can not produce one meal to share with family and friends for less than $5 per head.
And if that one meal then signals to the rest that they should abandon ship and declare the cause as lost, well, i...+READ
Cowboy, I really don't think am missing the point. Again, this was a "challenge" for one meal. ONE!
The per lb price of things like pork shoulder, carrots, onions, etc. is not so much that you can not produce one meal to share with family and friends for less than $5 per head.
And if that one meal then signals to the rest that they should abandon ship and declare the cause as lost, well, i can not get on board with that.
And I really doubt there are many farmers out there that are worried about that one meal. Actually, I know enough farmers to feel fairly confident about that.-COLLAPSE
Unfortunately SF in the US can't win here. It is elitist if it tells you to spend more (many people can't) and at the same time turns its back on the farmers if it endorses spending less. The problem is the way it is structured: I live in Italy and I eat slow, if not organic, most of the time. The difference is it is just as cheap for me to do this, if not cheaper sometimes, as it is to go to the...+READ
Unfortunately SF in the US can't win here. It is elitist if it tells you to spend more (many people can't) and at the same time turns its back on the farmers if it endorses spending less. The problem is the way it is structured: I live in Italy and I eat slow, if not organic, most of the time. The difference is it is just as cheap for me to do this, if not cheaper sometimes, as it is to go to the supermarket and get mass produced stuff. It's all about the subsidies going to the big industries with lobbying power instead of the small farmer producing healthy food...-COLLAPSE
The problem with the SF leadership is that none of them has ever enjoyed the glamor of poverty. The $5 event was a slightly embarrassing foray into culinary slumming.
It would be nice to see not the membership but the leaders of Slow Food including Waters, Nestle et al put on the budget of the average working class consumer with limits on time and gas for shopping for a couple of months. Their...+READ
The problem with the SF leadership is that none of them has ever enjoyed the glamor of poverty. The $5 event was a slightly embarrassing foray into culinary slumming.
It would be nice to see not the membership but the leaders of Slow Food including Waters, Nestle et al put on the budget of the average working class consumer with limits on time and gas for shopping for a couple of months. Their irritating and just wrong mantra, "it's just as easy and economic to cook an organic meal......" would not stand long.-COLLAPSE
I would have a huge problem doing the $5 thing, if only because I want way more food than that, haha.
Rworange & Dougrisk-
You guys are completely missing the point. The debate isn't about whether you can currently eat a good healthy meal for under $5. Of course you can, and there's nothing wrong with doing so. The debate is about whether healthy, well raised food SHOULD be expensive or not.
The issue at hand isn't the $5 challenge per se, but the message it sends when a large faction of the...+READ
Rworange & Dougrisk-
You guys are completely missing the point. The debate isn't about whether you can currently eat a good healthy meal for under $5. Of course you can, and there's nothing wrong with doing so. The debate is about whether healthy, well raised food SHOULD be expensive or not.
The issue at hand isn't the $5 challenge per se, but the message it sends when a large faction of the American slow food movement is primarily concerned with making healthy food economically viable for farmers to produce as well as to eat. It's a problem when the same organization sends the message to organic farmers that they should be payed well for their efforts while simultaneously sending the message to consumers that good food can and should be cheap.
A cheeseburger made from excellent ingredients raised and produced in this country is NEVER going to compete price-wise with a 99 cent double cheeseburger from McDonalds. That's reality.-COLLAPSE
RWOrange, right on.
For all that are siding with the Alice Waters types in this debate, please understand that the $5 challenge was for ONE DAY. One Meal on One Day.
I am not a whiz-bang chef, but I guarantee you that I could cook up a meal of Grass Fed Meat (or wild caught fish) with Organic Veg and/or Raw Milk products for under $5 per head.
Now, if I were forced to serve Lobster and...+READ
RWOrange, right on.
For all that are siding with the Alice Waters types in this debate, please understand that the $5 challenge was for ONE DAY. One Meal on One Day.
I am not a whiz-bang chef, but I guarantee you that I could cook up a meal of Grass Fed Meat (or wild caught fish) with Organic Veg and/or Raw Milk products for under $5 per head.
Now, if I were forced to serve Lobster and Tenderloin with Saffron and Pinot Noir Grapes, well, that would be another story.-COLLAPSE
A few years ago I did some reports on Chowhoud about eating on $3 a day.
To prove it didn't mean beans and rice, the last week I shopped at SF's Ferry Plaza farmers market, one of the most expensive in the Area. I wasn't reduced to eating beans and veggies. I had chicken, hand-made sausage, cheese and eggs in that menu.
I didn't ask the farmers for a discount on any of their food. I paid...+READ
A few years ago I did some reports on Chowhoud about eating on $3 a day.
To prove it didn't mean beans and rice, the last week I shopped at SF's Ferry Plaza farmers market, one of the most expensive in the Area. I wasn't reduced to eating beans and veggies. I had chicken, hand-made sausage, cheese and eggs in that menu.
I didn't ask the farmers for a discount on any of their food. I paid the same as everyone else. The farmers got the compensation they asked for.
It is too bad that the people opposd to the Slow Food $5 per day challenge are so out of touch that they can't imagine it could be done.
Also, by interesting young people in this it creates a new generation that will be likely to shop organic, local and sustainable the rest of their lives.
I would have zero problem today meeting the Slow Food $5 a day challenge.-COLLAPSE
Interesting article.
In a lot of ways, this seems like a really unfortunate breakdown of communication. There doesn't have to be an ideological schism over this issue. It's a shame that Slow Food USA President Viertel doesn't think the poor can or should do anything in support of a living wage for food producers, just as it's a shame that people like Alice Waters can't communicate their point...+READ
Interesting article.
In a lot of ways, this seems like a really unfortunate breakdown of communication. There doesn't have to be an ideological schism over this issue. It's a shame that Slow Food USA President Viertel doesn't think the poor can or should do anything in support of a living wage for food producers, just as it's a shame that people like Alice Waters can't communicate their point without being insulting or seeming disconnected from reality.
It's not an all-or-nothing proposition. The message should be that it's important to pay people making good, healthy food enough to make a living and that anyone who is interested should support that TO THE BEST OF THEIR ABILITY. And in return, independent producers of healthy, well raised food should support a living wage in other industries, to the best of their ability. There's nothing insulting about fostering brotherhood among people who are all looking to make enough to get by. If in a year, you buy one humanely raised chicken whose price reflects the time and effort to raise it, that's better than buying none. Can't afford that? Donate time or write a letter to your congressman. Very few people are completely powerless.
Poverty is a element of poor nutrition, just as poor nutrition is an element of poverty. There isn't any inherent conflict of interest here.-COLLAPSE
The drama I object to is related I guess. It's comparing in any way what we do to "factory farms" - leave large farms out of it. The only way they're going to be reduced is if demand goes to places like ours. When we've asked for support on the SlowFood page it got nowhere because we wouldn't condemn large farms. We have set up custom options for people of many levels, but cannot force people to...+READ
The drama I object to is related I guess. It's comparing in any way what we do to "factory farms" - leave large farms out of it. The only way they're going to be reduced is if demand goes to places like ours. When we've asked for support on the SlowFood page it got nowhere because we wouldn't condemn large farms. We have set up custom options for people of many levels, but cannot force people to choose. Sad to see this happen, but it doesn't change our use of "Ark of the Taste" breeds, which we are doing anyway. It is disappointing that it's seen as a negative to want to make a living.-COLLAPSE